New 450 Gallon Tank...advice welcomed

tombonius

Member
my 2 cents: The deep sand bed you've got DOES reduce the tank volume a little in theory...
Even so, I agree with the other guys. You've spent a lot of money on this setup, why skimp on pumps and lighting? Those 350gph pumps are worthless. Go big! And get a second skimmer. With regard to the reactor, sterilizer, etc, these are nice, but will get you NOWHERE if you have inadequate light and water flow. You're much better off spending the money or upgrading your pumps, lights, and skimmer capacity.
 

drea

Active Member
dam, how the hell do u do water changes? and how much does it cost per month for maintanence?
 

darth tang

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The only thing I have to add is the U.V. sterelizer is up for debate still. Some swear bgy them, others say they kill beneficial bacteria. Personally I have never used one. I had ich boughts in the beginning, but now I understand things a lot better. No ich since. It is my understanding the sterilizer is used to kill ich. Is there another purpose, I don't think so. So I would follow everyone elses advise on everything else, but if you want to save a tiny bit of money, this is what I would cut out. This and only this. I would still get 2 skimmers.
You could use multiple pumps, some people do this.
Or check this site, they carry pumps,
http://www.aquariumliquidators.com/ExternalPump.htm
There is one in there or two that will do the trick.
 

frank2005

Member
not sure yet dont have the tank...waiting to get some decent comments on my changes before i put the order in...
 

frank2005

Member
think i found a good pump how bout this one..the company is Dolphin AmpMaster & AquaSea Pumps and the pump is SuperAquasea 11500 Pump which has 11,500 gph does everyone think this is a decent pump?
 

mdog30001

Member
i was just wonderin, do u still have the 100 gallon set up, or are u tearin it down, cause if ur tearin it down ill buy it. :happyfish
 

sw65galma

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Great Frank, I'm glad you've come around...And make sure you defianltey take pics for progression.
I've just helped another member design his 180 for the toughest SPS corals.
What we came up with it a closed loop system that runs under the tank, in the sand bed.
You can place a piece of PVC around the Intakes so that it doesn't suck up sand, and also cover it with some Live rock. So you can have tons of inputs and output and never see them.
Don't do Powerheads in the tank...In a tank of this magnatitude that last thing you want cluttering the inside is powerheads.
Basically what you want is to set up a few of these.
I would suggest you look into these http://www.oceansmotions.com/
Check out the videos and forums. And ask them for the right setup for your tank.
What you could do is get the 2 of 8 - Way and drill 8 holes per....And what the Oceans Motion does is rotate the flow out of each of the 8 holes, they have pop up or down nozzles that rotate each time they are activated.
Again they would give you the best setup.
Also the Skimmer you got is OutStanding! Congrats on a great purchase...You won't be disappointed... That is one of the few skimmers that may be Underrated. The Pump setup i've seen for this is 2 x Sedra 5000 / 2 x Euro-Reef SP3 pumps... Definatley go with the manufacturers recommendations.
I would stay away from 1 big huge pump and do many smaller ones.
Reason be a few things....it'll give you more redundancy...and it will be less noise (those huge pumps are loud) And also you won't find 1 pump that will pump the amount you want.
Now i'm giving you GREAT pumps...Not just ok...Make sure you get thier SALTWATER Models, which have Ceramic Impellers that won't rust. Designed for the tortuous job of Saltwater.
Iwaki Japanese pumps
Dolphin Ampmaster
Sequence
Little Giant
Also the chiller is nice...But there is one that has the heater built into it as well... and is all controlled..
I personally Like the Inline better than the drop ins...But again...the one you picked Is NOT BAD by anymeans.
I think since you have a 2FT deep, you should be ok on the lights.
Make sure you get DE (double ended) HQI Setup.
And you are right, we totally forgot about the CA reactor. The one you listed is good. ALthough without the water flow corrected that was the least of your worries lol.
Now that we are getting to the nitty gritty. You are going to have over 10K invested into this.
And probably another 10K in live stock. So there some some little things at will protect your investment.
I thing is an AquaController, This will monitor your PH, Salinity, Calcium at all times, some will connect to your PC. And it can take appropiate actions..Such as even Call you, Email you or page you. Turn off things, Turn on things..
They can be programed such that if the temp exceeds a certain point it will shut off your lights and potentially save your tank (say in the case of a chiller failure, curcuit breaker pops)
And will Chart the Measurements of your tank in a nice graph format. I don't have one yet, But it's on my list of things to get. I have over 10k into my setup and I'm adding about 1K a month...till i get it perfect.
Next order of business.
What do in case of a power Outage...(bet ya never thought of that) I can guarantee your next power outage you will be freaking out...Or worse not be at home and come back to a dead tank as many people have.
I myself was lucky enough to work at a DataCenter who changed over thier Huge Battery Backup systems, I LUGGED home a HUGE UPS that is strong enough to power my house for a few hours. More with less draw. And I'm also looking into a Generator.
So What you should do....is MAKE SURE you have a generator...Doesn't have to be a huge one..
Although Home depot sells the ones that Auto Start when the power goes out (that would be Ideal, but is expensive)
I think when you put it into perspective how much money you have into this system, the generator Cost is nothing. Like I said, the first time power goes out and you see your tank OFF, you will Crap your pants, run around the house yelling like a little school girl....Been there done that lol...
And I live in the Northeast where we don't loose our Power too much.
With your size tank...the battery backup Air pumps aren't gonna do much, the little home office UPS isn't gonna help you that a lot of people use on thier small tanks.
And I've offered before you can send me an email to sw65galma@yahoo.com and I'll give you my IM if you want to talk in detail about anything.
 

frank2005

Member
i decided on going with a closed loop system on the inside talking with the guy now about it...im redoing my whole list of what im getting so once im done with it ill tell you how im setting it up and with what equipment ill be using...i sent u an email sw65gma so we can talk on yahoo so whenever you get it just send me an email back
 

frank2005

Member
heres an updated list of everything i plan on getting along with the closed loop system so comments and anymore advice on changes ect would be appreciated
1120" X 36" X 25" high Glass Tank
* All edges ground and polished
* 4 overflows
* 8 holes drilled
* Bulkheads included
* Euro-bracing
* Cross Bracing
* 1 year warranty
* Durso drains included
1Custom Oak Stand and Canopy
1Wire stand for lighting and equipment
including timers for lighting
1125 gal refugium/sump
1AmpMaster 11500 gph Pump
2EuroReef CS12-2 Protein Skimmers
336 watt Turbo twist UV sterilizer
2Theo 400 watt heaters
3AmpMaster 6300 gph Pumps
2440 watt VHO 3 tube / lamps
4250 watt Metal Halide / 10,000K bulbs
1 Precision Marine Calcium Reactor
CR622
1 Aqualogic Cyclone Chiller w/temp controller
1 RO Maker 120 GPD
 

airforceb2

Active Member
Dump the gigantic pump. You want a lot of water flow but that monster will push rocks straight over. Many 3000GPH pumps will be much more efficient IMO. I don't have this large of tank but thinking logically it wouldn't be advised.
 

sw65galma

Active Member
Originally Posted by airforceb2
Dump the gigantic pump. You want a lot of water flow but that monster will push rocks straight over. Many 3000GPH pumps will be much more efficient IMO. I don't have this large of tank but thinking logically it wouldn't be advised.
It depends on how it's plumbed in...I'll have to take a look at the setup...
 

acrylic51

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Iwaki pumps surely aren't on the top of the list for quietness and efficiency are they??? Red Dragon pumps would be on the top of the list for that, and the Ampmaster pumps are prone and known to leak and without the upgrade of the seal they will leak.....Very good choice on skimmer though!!!!!!!!
Does the AquaController monitor Salinity and Calcuim levels?????
 

sw65galma

Active Member
Originally Posted by acrylic51
Iwaki pumps surely aren't on the top of the list for quietness and efficiency are they??? Red Dragon pumps would be on the top of the list for that, and the Ampmaster pumps are prone and known to leak and without the upgrade of the seal they will leak.....Very good choice on skimmer though!!!!!!!!
Does the AquaController monitor Salinity and Calcuim levels?????
Iwaki Japanese motors are one of the top in my mind for longevity and being very maintenence free.
Yes Red Dragon is another one I forgot about.
And YES the aqua Controllers monitor salinity, calcium, orp, and a few other things.
And some can take appropiate action if they go outside a level...Like start up and top off pump...or stop you CA reactor.
 

acrylic51

Active Member
I didn't know the Aqua Controllers monitored Calcuim and stuff I thought Pinpoint was the only working that at the time, how accurate is the controller at monitoring calcium?
 

acrylic51

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I've done alittle homework and have checked out Neptunes site and found nowhere on their site that they mention any of their packages that will monitor calcium....Depending on the package your purchase they do monitor different things.....They will measure PH, Temp, Salinity, ORP, DO, and conductivity, but nowhere do you see them advertise calcium monitoring.....I even went so far as to check out the Octopus controllers as well and they don't offer that feature as well.....If you can provide a link showing the Aqua Controllers do monitor calcium I would appreciate the link..........Like I had mentioned earlier Pinpoint does have a monitor that will monitor calcium, but it isn't as simple as just dropping in the probe and taking the reading, from what is being put out from the people using them....
As far as 1 big pump I really don't see how using multiple pumps will gain anything, but running up the electric bill.....Using a "big" pump if properly setup and branched to different areas of the tank won't blow stiff off their perches.........Your main flow should come from the CL system you have on your tank........Running smalller multiple pumps vs. a bigger pump if you choice a bigger pump and add the figures up you'll probably be better off with the bigger pump, and you can pre plumb a backup pump just incase your main would fail.......
I have preplumbed a backup behind my main and I do use Iwaki pumps and love them, but the heat they give off and noise I do have to agree when I compare it to my Sequence pump.....Iwaki use more electricity than the Sequence and more noise and heat......
 

sw65galma

Active Member
Originally Posted by acrylic51
I've done alittle homework and have checked out Neptunes site and found nowhere on their site that they mention any of their packages that will monitor calcium....Depending on the package your purchase they do monitor different things.....They will measure PH, Temp, Salinity, ORP, DO, and conductivity, but nowhere do you see them advertise calcium monitoring.....I even went so far as to check out the Octopus controllers as well and they don't offer that feature as well.....If you can provide a link showing the Aqua Controllers do monitor calcium I would appreciate the link..........Like I had mentioned earlier Pinpoint does have a monitor that will monitor calcium, but it isn't as simple as just dropping in the probe and taking the reading, from what is being put out from the people using them..........
I stand corrected....You are correct, they DO NOT monitor Calcium

Originally Posted by acrylic51

As far as 1 big pump I really don't see how using multiple pumps will gain anything, but running up the electric bill.....Using a "big" pump if properly setup and branched to different areas of the tank won't blow stiff off their perches.........Your main flow should come from the CL system you have on your tank........Running smalller multiple pumps vs. a bigger pump if you choice a bigger pump and add the figures up you'll probably be better off with the bigger pump, and you can pre plumb a backup pump just incase your main would fail.......
I have preplumbed a backup behind my main and I do use Iwaki pumps and love them, but the heat they give off and noise I do have to agree when I compare it to my Sequence pump.....Iwaki use more electricity than the Sequence and more noise and heat......
Your return on the open loop unless it has a check valve has to be up high.
Otherwise if the pump shuts off it will empty your tank.
Closed loops as the name implies can have intakes and outputs anywhere
Which is why I like to have my open loop be slower and more for Filtration, running water to the skimmer, fuge and such..
And the Closed loops should be the work horses of moving water around. Because now you have the flexibility of being able to put holes where ever you want without worrying.
 

nofish

Member
I Can't Belive I Read That Whole Thread I Looking Into A 120g..you Guys/girls Must Have Some Really Nice Tanks..well Best Of Luck..
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