New 90 gallon tank start up, WeLcOmE me please.

king_neptune

Active Member
welcome. per your first few posts. you asked about skimmers.
You don't NEED them, but that said, they are a great way to do filtration.
go as big as your willing to afford. from the screen shots of your aquarium room, id wager your aren't on a tight budget.
A big + for you, since skimmers can go up to several thousand dollars. Thats what i consider the upper middle class, not even top end.
But for the avarage person, $200-500 is about what you would see in a typical system your size.
Another filtration system that works well is scrubbers. They require more attention than skimmers, but they do an amazing job! I myself have been experimenting back and forth over the last year. My final thoughts are:
-Skimmers give you the pristine ultra clean looking water, but you sacrifice by having slightly higher pollution. Also you have less microscopic organisms such as copopods and amphiopods.
-Scrubbers give you better water params(i.e. trites/trates ect). Also you end up with a far superior bio diversity.
I would call scrubbers the more noob friendly filtration since they are deffinatly forgiving of such things as over stocking and over feeding. You tax your system with too much stuff, and the scrubber will simply grow more algae. The more you feed it, the more it grows.
But theres sooooo much more to the world of filtration. You can really create your own unique system. Bio-balls, live sand, live rock, carbon filters, canisters, pads,granular feric oxide, carbon reactors, and my favorite Foam. I like foam wall builds, they IMO are probably the single most potent filtration to get. And they look pretty nice too:


 

ibanez

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Welcome, where is Bahrain? Nice tank, I have a 90 gallon and I have a 38 gallon sump with it. It gives room for a nice refugium and a little extra room for carbon/purigen/whatever chemical you want, plus room for a nice sized skimmer and return pump. It is something like 36 inches long, 12 1/2 inches front to back, and maybe about 20 inches tall. I also use it to house other animals that might not work in the main display, or need to be separated. It also adds to your overall water volume which helps with stability and dilution. I recommend having the tank drilled.
 

mrdc

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Wow King, that is one heck of a rock wall. How do you make sure it doesn't fall over?
 

red^gun

Member
mrdc; very sad to hear that, & I hope that this time you will not face any problem. & your old tank is really looking great, looking forward to see ur new one.
King_Neptune: I’m sure that u r really saltwater aquariums pro, cuz u have a lot of info.
but which scrubbers do u mean? Can you post some picture for these scrubbers please?
& what is the IMO?
The budget is not a problem, I just want to have the best suitable filtration system to my tank specially for beginners, & I dont want to make any holes or anything later on when the tank is full of water...
I’m not insisting to have skimmers ,I just heard that they are very good for saltwater aquariums..
& I dunno what am I suppose to look at these pictures?!you mean the white pvc pipe?
Thank u all for ur support.
 

red^gun

Member
hello IbanEz, Bahrain is one of the smallest country (Island) in the word, located in the middle east, near Sudia Arabia..
so u have the same size of the tank, but ur sump is quite big..
do u know how to drill a hole in the glass?is it safe??
 

ibanez

Member
Well here, glass shops will drill them for you, but there is a site search- glassholes that sells kits to do it yourself. I wouldn't call it safe, but if you follow directions and take your time and are patient you should be ok. I don't know what you have available where you are located. Do you have any businesses that cut glass around you? If so they could probably do it. If you decide to have the tank drilled, there is a whole lot of other things you have to consider, like building an overflow, size of holes, where you drill the holes. It depends on how much time and money you want to spend in setting it up the way you want it. All that taken into consideration, canister filters will suffice, and/or you could partition the back, or left side of the tank in your case, about six inches, with egg crate so the fish couldn't get in there, and use that to grow your macro algae, and be a refugium for small fauna. What kind of fish are you planning on? Is this going to contain corals and fish, or just fish and live rock?
 

red^gun

Member
hello IbanEz,
Yeah, I believe there are few places I know they might drill the holes, I will call them soon..
Well, I'm planning to have corals & fish, & probably more corals. is it going to be difficult? as lots of my friends worn me that it is going to be hard to keep the saltwater fish aquarium...
If everything worked out well, I will have a sump with a fuge..

Wish me luck.
 

ibanez

Member
At times it is difficult, but it's all part of the experience. It's all rewarding when your successful. Make sure you figure out how much water will drain from the tank before buying a return pump. Your return pump should be undersized from the drain to avoid overflow.
 

king_neptune

Active Member
Originally Posted by mrdc
http:///forum/post/3268300
Wow King, that is one heck of a rock wall. How do you make sure it doesn't fall over?
Its foam, i used Great stuff UV protected pond foam.It floats, I had to silicone it to the tank when I installed it.
Would you like to know more?
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/vb/s...f-Diary./page4
Originally Posted by ReD^GuN

http:///forum/post/3268301
King_Neptune: I’m sure that u r really saltwater aquariums pro, cuz u have a lot of info.Your too kind, Im really more of an intermediate. I have 3 years in the hobby.There are many many more here who I cant hold a candle too :)
but which scrubbers do u mean? Can you post some picture for these scrubbers please?
& what is the IMO? In My Opinion
The budget is not a problem, I just want to have the best suitable filtration system to my tank specially for beginners, & I dont want to make any holes or anything later on when the tank is full of water...
I’m not insisting to have skimmers ,I just heard that they are very good for saltwater aquariums..
& I dunno what am I suppose to look at these pictures?!you mean the white pvc pipe?I was showing my tank with its foam wall, Ive since removed the PVC....looked tacky among other things
Thank u all for ur support.
OK a scrubber is really simple concept.
Take a plastic sheet, shine a light on it, run water over it.
Algae grows on it. The algae feeds of poillutants inthe water. So the more your water is polluted(Nitrates ect) the more your scrubber grows.
Take the screen out every couple weeks, and wipe it clean. Thats really it except for being sure to swap out the bulbs every few months.
here is some shots of my scrubber:



After a few days this is what happens:

About two weeks:

There are pros and cons to scrubbers.
PRO: extremely forgiving water paramiters( its VERY noob friendly, they really pull out a TON of bad stuff)
PRO: MUCH MUCH cheaper to setup
PRO:Higher micro orginism populations in the tank.(the algae acts as a pod breeding ground)
CON: high degree of water evaporation(the water is running ove the screen at about 600gph). I found I was putting in 5g of freshwater a week into my system. When I shut it off, I was using about 3g a week instead to topoff.
CON: more time consuming to scrape clean vs a skimmer you dump water out of a cup)
CON:SKimmers give you crystal clear water, not that scrubbers are murky..just slightly less pristine.
CON: slurping noises happen often if the algae isnt trimmed properly, it can be annoying.
CON: Bulbs need replacing every 6months, unless you do an LED one...then you only need to do it every 10 years.
AS for me...Im glad I tried out scrubbers. I still have mine on standby ready to fire up any time I need it.
Currently Im favoring my skimmer, I like the way my water looks. I will be trying out both to see If I can have the best of both worlds. The problem is that skimmers suck out the stuff that scrubbers feed on. So you weaken your scrubber. However, my theory is the scrubber will simply feed off less. IE. whatever the skimmer cant pull out, the scrubber will take care of.
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If youd like to learn more about scrubbers check this thread out:
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/vb/s...ium-Everything
Its a longlong one. You can read the first half dozen pages, and kinda skimm the last dozen. It starts out with people scoffing at the guy, but they ended up proven wrong. Scrubbers are a viable means of filtration.
You were worried about holes. Dont be. I went to glassholes website and ordered one of thier kits. They have videos that show you what to do. Its really pretty easy if you do it slow and carefully. Jsut make sure you do your research first. Ask ask ask. I would recomend starting a build thread and showing pictures there. People will take interest and help you along the way. Thats what I did, and Im soooo gratefull to eveyrone who contributed!
 

mrdc

Active Member
Nice work King. I haven't seen your build threads until now but it seems like you did a great job.
 

king_neptune

Active Member
Originally Posted by ReD^GuN
http:///forum/post/3268212
pepito113: I reviewed the overflow boxes and how they work, but I really don’t feel safe using them, I feel that it will stop working suddenly, or it will overflow my sump in case of electricity outage, moreover, I need to keep a quite a big gab at the back of the tank.
mrdc: I’m already planning to have canister filters, but I really want to use the sump/skimmer as an extra filtration, but still don’t know how to drill the tank, and how big the sump should be.
BTW, what is the HOB fuge?
Thank you guys

1. Over flows, actually you might be thinking of a siphon overflow, you are correct, they are not a good idea.However, there are other kinds.
Here is a breakdown of an ideal overflow type...Water is pushed up from your sump into the Display tank. The water level from your displaytank rises and overflows into a special box. Once the waterlevel rasies to the overflow box, it spills into the plumbing and drains back down into the sump. The pump inside the sump keeps pushing water back up top to the displaytank, where it will continuosly cycle. There are two main advantages to this. First you have your sump down below the Display, out fo sight. This allows you to keep all your filtration ect hidden away. The second is safty of it all. If your power cuts out, then the pump down blow shuts off. As a result the display tank no longer is getting filled, and the remaing waterlevel will fall until it no longer reaches the overflows level. When my power is cut, I have about 5g of water drain into the sump, so I keep the sump about 90% full, incase of emergancy, it never overflows.
2. Canister filters are a fantastic way to go! There are many great ones out there, its just a matter of research, and asking questions about which ones to pick. As for wanting to use a sump, your are absolutly on target for wanting one, you will only benifate from this choice. So the next step is choosing how you will implement a sump into your system. I do highly recomend drilling, using a siphon overflow is a bad idea. A poweroutage can lead to a disaster as youve already stated. Buta gravity overflow is perfectly safe. For a better understanding of how to install one check out this youtube video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...6190503383648#
"...but still don’t know how to drill the tank"
the video shows a guy drilling a tank. Its really easy to do, just take your time and do it carefully.
"...how big the sump should be..."
A good number is 25% of what your DT is. THis is not law, obviously the bigger the better, since it will just add more overall volume to the system. I would recomend a 40-55g tank(it looked like you could fit one under your display stand) but you will need to take the measurements to be sure. It doesnt have to be a tank, it can be a giant rubbermaid bin. Ive got a couple friends who use a horse feeding trough for thier sumps. Its whatever you choose. Otherthings that go into a sump would be more live rock, macro algaes, Mud or even more sand. Often people have grow lights underneath and grow coral frags in thier sumps. You can really expand what you can do to your system if you have a sump. And as your skill and knowledge increases, you will be happy with the descision.
"BTW, what is the HOB fuge?"
Hang on Back Fuge:

Its basicly acomplishing what a sump does, but it hangs on the back of your tank.
Pretty tacky, and unsightly, but its often needed for people on a budget, or limited on space(i.e. they cant fit a sump down below).
Minimal offence HOB users, we do what we need to do.
 

king_neptune

Active Member
Originally Posted by mrdc
http:///forum/post/3268927
Nice work King. I haven't seen your build threads until now but it seems like you did a great job.
Thanks. Ill be making an LED array for it this month, been saving for a while. Cant wait!!! its gonna look so AWESOME!
Oh and RED_Gun:
I didnt see anything about what kind of tank you want.
how far do you want to take it?
Do you just want some fish and live rock?
Are you wanting to go all the way and do corals?
This will have a major impact on potential equipment to get.
Corals need specialized lighting that cost more, Metal Halide has been the standard for corals for years,You can go T5, its cheaper...but they are proven to be inferior to MH.however there is a new kid on the block, LED's. They have many pros, and minimal cons.
PRO: Far less power consumption. Way more intense light per watt usage.
PRO: 50,000 hours of life for the LED's(thats about 10 years of avarage use) MH/T5's need replacing every 8-10 months. That adds up.
PRO: Less heat. WAY less heat! This is great to keep your lights closer to the water, without heating the water up.
PRO: Dimmable, you can dim individual colors.For example Lower your whites, and increase your blues. Some people have reds and greens as well. This really opens up a whole new world of color shcemes.
PRO: Highly programmable, you can have LED arrays on a computer timer that will actually simulate the rise and fall of the sun, and its different color spectrum's throughout the day.
CON: they cost an arm and a leg. Something to do your tank would run $3,500 USD. However there is a way around this, you can build your own for about 1/3 that price (and i personally would rather do this anyways since the technology is still new, and mainstream manufactures havent produced what I consider a perfect array. They've made good ones, and bad ones. But nothing fantastic.)
here is a shot of one that im going to be building:

A guy on another reef site finished this one last night, I really like it a lot! He said he had to turn it down to %30 since the corals weren't used to such an intense light! And he will gradually be turnign them up over time.
That said there's other things as well such as:
Kalc reactors and Calcuim reactors(not mandatory...but deffinatly improve the quality of the water for corals).
I haven't even scratched the surface.
As you can see Choosing to do the coral route is stepping it up, but do some research, you will be blown away at how amazing some peoples systems look!
Google "reef tank of the month" and see some showroom quality pictures of Reef keepers!
If you choose the fish only route, its far more simplified, but less beauty as well.
Also since your in Bahrain, your probably gonna need a chiller. I know it gets pretty hot, and you don't want your water getting past 82 degrees. Typically 78-80 is accepted as ideal for corals. 72-74 for fish only.
 

red^gun

Member
Originally Posted by King_Neptune
http:///forum/post/3269010
Thanks. Ill be making an LED array for it this month, been saving for a while. Cant wait!!! its gonna look so AWESOME!
Oh and RED_Gun:
I didnt see anything about what kind of tank you want.
how far do you want to take it? As far as I could, I hope that I will manage the time to take care of the tank.
Do you just want some fish and live rock? I want to have reef aquarium, hope it is not too difficult.
Are you wanting to go all the way and do corals? yep :)
This will have a major impact on potential equipment to get.
WOW,
Sorry, I was away for couple of days..
I Dunnow what to say King_Neptune, you really proved that you are a king of saltwater aquariums..
you really amazed me & help me to understand lots of new things to me..
& I really liked the Con/Pro part. so thanks for your time & explanation.
so, King_Neptune, you have drilled your tank your self? I’ve seen the video, looks easy, but I will do more research and see if I can do it or not.
unfortunately I don’t think that I have space for the scrubber,& for the sump, I have to do some cutting & fixing another beam for the stand, as it is devided into 3 small compartments. so I will cut one divider (which carry some loads) & I will fix another U shaped aluminum beam to carry this load. I will try to upload some pics to describe it.
& about the LED lighting, I’ve seen some thread talking about custom DIY LED panel, so I dont think it is too hard to do it your self & save some $$$
Yeah, it is hot over here,, but I don’t think I need chiller, as this living room will be having an AC unit, which will cool the room 24h.
good luck with ur LED project, hope to see some photos later on after the modification.& BTW, this aquarium is big & soooooooooo beautiful.
Thanks again.
 

red^gun

Member
Hello fishrule1,
Welcome to the forum,
Originally Posted by fishrule1
http:///forum/post/3269389
Nice looking tank, are you going to keep it sideways like that?
yup, it is desinged to be placed like that.
About the new thread, did you activate your account by the link sent to ur email?
 

pirates

Member
Welcome

i would say yes you need a skimmer and a sump if you can do it i think that the tank you have will be awesome looking when you get it done take a look at my 90 gallon build tell me what you thank please thanks
 

king_neptune

Active Member
Originally Posted by ReD^GuN
http:///forum/post/3269402
WOW,
Sorry, I was away for couple of days..
I Dunnow what to say King_Neptune, you really proved that you are a king of saltwater aquariums..
you really amazed me & help me to understand lots of new things to me..my ego!!! please, ill float away! seriously, i really do consider many many others here far more knowlegable then me
& I really liked the Con/Pro part. so thanks for your time & explanation.glad I could help
so, King_Neptune, you have drilled your tank your self? I’ve seen the video, looks easy, but I will do more research and see if I can do it or not.yup. drilling was easy
unfortunately I don’t think that I have space for the scrubber,& for the sump, I have to do some cutting & fixing another beam for the stand, as it is devided into 3 small compartments. so I will cut one divider (which carry some loads) & I will fix another U shaped aluminum beam to carry this load. I will try to upload some pics to describe it.ive seen people mod stands. do so carefully, theres going to be ALOT of weight. Since this is currently in the build stage, why not jsut build a stand from scratch? Since the tank is already empty, now owuld be the oportune time to design something you find more usefull
& about the LED lighting, I’ve seen some thread talking about custom DIY LED panel, so I dont think it is too hard to do it your self & save some $$$
Yeah, it is hot over here,, but I don’t think I need chiller, as this living room will be having an AC unit, which will cool the room 24h.
good luck with ur LED project, hope to see some photos later on after the modification.& BTW, this aquarium is big & soooooooooo beautiful.
Thanks again.
hope this help.
 
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