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dme

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Posted in Grims due to what was said on this eel>
Amanda, I Have a thought to what had been the Jewel moray situation for one thing it was however under a great amount of stress due too being at that lfs. One of my thoughts in this matter is, if this trip was more then a few hours or so it should had been packed for this trip a head of time in the same method as being shipped to the lfs`s.
Like I moved 1.5 yrs ago, that before the tanks were moved I removed the eels in buckets and Jeff at the lfs said he wouldn't do that for reasons of a lack of oxygen but my trip was anywhere from 45-70 minutes at most.
Amanda, being that your trip took much longer and on top of it, the jewel did how stress due to its predicament at that lfs and the transportation. Do note that eels tend not to appear so over stressed.
It is a wonder how that lfs remains in business and also I not know how large the jewel eel was, but you people should had had a battery oxygen pump for do keep in mind that eels in general demand a great deal of oxygen. And im sure if any next time, you people will be aware of this main factor for I not believe that what injuries the jewel had received was the caused for its death, but its situation as mention at that lfs has placed much stress on the eel.

From most of what was said of this eels situation, what is here was not mention however, but even that, if anyone was to put an eel through as much stress as that Jewel moray, it would not surprise me that it up and dies for people had heard me say that eels can deal with a lot, but this eel had been through living hell prior to its being in transit, so even that it did have enough oxygen, the eel was in no condition to gone through being transported so soon for if you (AW) were on any speaking terms with me and called me, I would had told you this.
It is always inadvisable to transport any marine species under such stress at so soon after for it needed time to regain its strength before being in transport. So this AW is just another lesson learn due to trail and error.
 
95harley

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What Size thank would a Dragon Eel need as a Species Only tank for a single? I read a lot of places say a 55, but we all know how these are extremely wrong?
 
amandal

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Originally Posted by DME
Posted in Grims due to what was said on this eel>
From most of what was said of this eels situation, what is here was not mention however, but even that, if anyone was to put an eel through as much stress as that Jewel moray, it would not surprise me that it up and dies for people had heard me say that eels can deal with a lot, but this eel had been through living hell prior to its being in transit, so even that it did have enough oxygen, the eel was in no condition to gone through being transported so soon for if you (AW) were on any speaking terms with me and called me, I would had told you this.
It is always inadvisable to transport any marine species under such stress at so soon after for it needed time to regain its strength before being in transport. So this AW is just another lesson learn due to trail and error.

The Jeweled moray was injured and dying at the store. The Mexican Dragon (separate eel) was active and appeared healthy at the store. It had not been injured by the Tess as the Jeweled had. There obviously wasn't any hope for that poor Jeweled. It sounded in your post like maybe you thought it was the injured Jeweled that we bought and tried to transport.
 
dme

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The Jeweled moray was injured and dying at the store. The Mexican Dragon (separate eel) was active and appeared healthy at the store. It had not been injured by the Tess as the Jeweled had. There obviously wasn't any hope for that poor Jeweled. It sounded in your post like maybe you thought it was the injured Jeweled that we bought and tried to transport.
That would depend much on the injuries it received back at that lfs and eels can with stand some major injuries and a person be quite surprise by their recover powers for just the same it lived through the trip and later to died in which I am very sorry of it happening. But just the same, this eel was under a tremendous stress and it only added to the problem it had, for as well, you not know how long it was suffering attacks from the other eel(s) and I still say with all honesty, the eel would been better off if you knew some person down there who could help you return the eel to health and then ship it to AW.
 
aw2

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Originally Posted by DME
I still say with all honesty, the eel would been better off if you knew some person down there who could help you return the eel to health and then ship it to AW.

Amanda could have easily shipped it to me, DME...but, it went through less stress and was in transit for less time by flying with me. If we wouldve shipped it, it wouldve been 24 hours.......by flying with me, it was in transit for less than 6 hours.
You're confusing the 2 Morays......the Jeweled was the one that was dying (there was no way it was gonna make it). The Mexican that I had appeared perfectly healthy and active.
 
dme

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You're confusing the 2 Morays......the Jeweled was the one that was dying (there was no way it was gonna make it). The Mexican that I had appeared perfectly healthy and active.
Now it sounds as your trying to say it is two different eels, HUH? For the name jewel moray or mexican dragon moray or one and the same for the name mexican dragon is an alias name giving to the jewel and with it lfs or on line where they list it as so jack up the price for which as with the name jewel moray it sells for around $50 and people are paying a few hundreds as the mexican dragon.
Now in those words AW, you sound as trying to confuse me, for this jewel moray is the same eel you bought for a $100 that had bites from the other eel in which in those pics one cannot see any visible markings/injuries.
Now I went back to grims to look at what you said first on this eel, and you mention nothing of a second jewel moray that this jewel moray was in a tank with a green and tess eels as for a third eel you not know what species it was.
A matter a fact AW, when I seen you a new thread in new dragon eel, I thought you had another dme. and when I see you bought a jewel eel only I was surprised somewhat in that you paid $100 for it.
So in the topic of what you said at first, this is the one and same eel that was in the 300 gal tank at that lfs with three other eels.
 
emperor11

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DME, stop trying to pick fights with people. AW2 is a very responsible fish keeper, and he has taught me TONS. He would never try to ship a badly injured fish-he isn't stupid. For some reason DME, you seem to pick a LOT of fights with people on these boards. Enough is enough. BTW, you never did reply to YOUR clarion thread. Obviously, you don't want what is best for the fish, if your willing to import an illegal fish. I, on the other hand, once I found out is was indeed still illegal, dropped it completely. I think that is in your best interest as well. Like my mom used to say "If you can't say anything nice, dont say anything at all." Think about that, next time you post.
BTW, this is what AW2 said...
"that ALSO held a Green, Tess, a Jeweled (that had just been attacked by the Tess) and some other wierd species of Moray.
I've never seen a Mexican Dragon got for less than $200 but when I asked how much the Morays were, they said "Any of them for $89"."
Which means that he was listing the eels that were there WITH the mexican dragon. ALso, just because that one is called a jeweled and his was a mexican dragon (which are normally the same thing, as you said) does not mean it is indeed the same thing. Thats the trouble with common names...
 
dme

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DME, stop trying to pick fights with people

"If you can't say anything nice, dont say anything at all." Think about that, next time you post.
First thing junior, I wasn`t talking to you and second thing junior, I said nothing out of turn so "SHUT UP" im just sick of comments as that which I not had any doing.
As well in this topic is the only conversation I well have and if AW takes it as wrong as your brain did, fine by me and if you want to pay few hundred dollars for an eel that you can get for under $60, that is your choosen for I am telling you Emperor11 that the name mexican dragon moray is not a true common name other then the jewel moray.
And if AW wants to take it as wrong mainly because of Emperor11 mouth in this, fine by me for at first I read of this in grims, I hesitated in even trying to help why and it was because of AW having shown Emperor11 same thoughts.
So like I said AW, I am so sorry you tried so hard and lost the eel afterwards :(
 
treybom

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ok boys lets keep it clean here.... dme... dont criticize people for the amount they paid for an eel... its not ur business what they do with their money... like emp11 said aw2 is really experienced and knows what he is doing in the hobby, not saying u rnt, but i know he knows what hes doing
trey
 
yimmy

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Sorry to hear about the loss AW2...it would suck, as for this whole DME & Emperor11 thing. DME isn't rude, I'm 15 and I was freaking out about my fish tank leaking he responded and helped me so I wouldn't get pissed and put a hammer throuh my tank. I think DME is trying to help AW2 and prevent peole from making the same mistakes later on and other members as well. I think that Emperor11 should keep his nose out of this because this has nothing to do with you and DME is trying to help, just leave it at that. I also doubt that someone would intentially pick fights with someone on A FISH FORUM!
I've said this and just drop this bicker crap
Jimmy
 
treybom

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Originally Posted by Yimmy
I also doubt that someone would intentially pick fights with someone on A FISH FORUM!
I've said this and just drop this bicker crap
Jimmy
well u obvously havent been around these forums lately... people have been going crazy and starting fights and posting inappropiate things left and right
 
emperor11

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Originally Posted by Yimmy
Sorry to hear about the loss AW2...it would suck, as for this whole DME & Emperor11 thing. DME isn't rude, I'm 15 and I was freaking out about my fish tank leaking he responded and helped me so I wouldn't get pissed and put a hammer throuh my tank. I think DME is trying to help AW2 and prevent peole from making the same mistakes later on and other members as well. I think that Emperor11 should keep his nose out of this because this has nothing to do with you and DME is trying to help, just leave it at that. I also doubt that someone would intentially pick fights with someone on A FISH FORUM!
I've said this and just drop this bicker crap
Jimmy
WOAH...back up there Sparky. DME, WAS being rude. Don't you find it rude that he's accusing someone of shipping an injured fish, when thats not even the eel AW2 is talking about? DME is known to pick fights on this site..I've seen him do it, lots of times. I think you should keep your nose out of this as well. DME is obviously not helping AW2, he's only critizing him. Also, unfortunately, people DO pick fights, on this fish forum.
 
dme

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trey, I not criticized people for the amount they paid for any eel for all I said there was that you an eel here that is best known as the Jewel moray and that the name mexican dragon moray is not a true professionally known name but an alias which was giving to the jewel moray and the few sites on line and in any number of lfs that instead of being at the price from $49-$60 is jack up to an average $200.
Now in saying that, you find people if at other sites paying the right price for the jewel moray and why should people pay 4-5 times more the price? This is what makes no sense :( For what the cost for a dme, one only needs to pay out another $2-300 at the lease and then they have a true dme.
You not hear AW go ballistic as Emperor11 and he might because of the comments from Emperor11. But in no way I bash anyone, I am only saying things from what I know through the years and what is funny even more so, AW knows its not a true dragon eel. He had admitted to it long time ago when we use to have private discussions.
And as you said trey, it is none my business what others pay out and as well, it has become no more my business if one wants to keep a certain eel in so small a tank because after that last trip to the ER, i had to make my mind up that most people here or else where are not worth becoming upset of what their doing that if one wants to keep a Tess in a 180 or 240, fine by me, I only go so far now as for tank requirements for these marine animals.
It not pay to become sick for what some others are doing. And as well, I can pay a higher price for something I want, like the clarion that some where one said they can get it for around $1,300 and I can get a pair for $5,000. And because of certain happenings, the idea of the clarions are on hold for few years or I not be able to get them at all.
Wise words Jimmy, I only wish everyone thought as you and treybom, if everyone thought as you, there be nothing but hate here so im sorry your not a clear head thinking person.
And Emperor11, I thank you for side tracking this thread, this site needs more people like you.
AW, As I said, I hesitated to even say anything to what your situation was and thanks to some other I wish I didn't answer anything in this thread.
And I am sorry for the lost
 
treybom

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Wise words Jimmy, I only wish everyone thought as you and treybom, if everyone thought as you, there be nothing but hate here so im sorry your not a clear head thinking person.
if not sure if i should be offended or not... i cant really understand.. what did u mean.. sorry! :notsure:
 
dme

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if not sure if i should be offended or not... i cant really understand.. what did u mean.. sorry!
In a nice way, I was saying that you not a clear headed thinking person, because you and others like you, look to make things out of something that its not. As said, I not insulted AW in anyway but to look to give him answers he not believed just the same which makes no never mind that I shouldn't bothered in the first place.
 
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