New pics, for the heck of it...

aw2x3

aw2x3

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Originally Posted by Yimmy
I'm not sure if it was you or someone else, but didn't a major aquarium offer to buy your dragon from you?
I'm friends with alot of the higher ups, at Shedd Aquarium, in Chicago.
I offered to loan them my female, to house with their male...Dragons have never been bred in captivity before.
They really weren't interested in spending the money to do so tho.
Originally Posted by V-Lioness
Soooo AW ......lol Now you know I am not a eel person, but I have a question for you.
Can the same species of eel coexist in a tank? Such as two Hawaiians in the same tank.....
Is this typical of all eel species or just certain species?
Ok that is two questions, BTW nice Hawk and eels.
Kaye
In a big enough system, sure. I've never housed two Dragons together (one day tho!) but I know you'll have big territory issues (especially with two females) if you dont give them enough space.
I would imagine that it'd be the same for all Moray species. I've never kept two of the same species, of any Moray. My Whitemouth and Dragon are the only two I've ever had.
 
hive_node

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AW, what size is your tank? And I thought HDE ate other eels, did you have to wait until that other eel was big enough to be housed with him?
 
aw2x3

aw2x3

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Right now, it's only a 90gal...cramped, I know. They were all in a 200gal. (which is sitting in my garage) but I moved...the floors in my house now wouldnt be able to take that much weight.
HDME's will eat other Morays...so will Whitemouth's.
The Whitemouth was my first Moray and luckily my Dragon was about the same size when I added her. There was some tension for the first half hour or so but the Dragon quickly took the role as queen of the tank and put the Whitemouth in his place. There's never been any issue since.
 
gnorman

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hey i just love ur eels, best ive seen. i was wondering, could you post the picture of ur cleaner shrimp cleaning your HDE for me?
 
aw2x3

aw2x3

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Originally Posted by GNorman
hey i just love ur eels, best ive seen. i was wondering, could you post the picture of ur cleaner shrimp cleaning your HDE for me?
Thanks...I appreciate the comments!


 
beach bum

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nice pictures Andy.
I especially like the hawkfish - I had one for awhile actually, really schizophrenic and ADHD it seemed to me. Not as mean as the giant hawk, but not as ummm... personable either. :D Btw- it won't get bigger than a foot in maximum size.
my pics of it may still be up at grim if you want to see what mine looked like (same as yours lol)
nice pics again
 
miamireefr

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AW...Hows the competition for food ....Does the hawk stay perched down below like most typical hawks? Just curious since the eels are present and I am sure they typically have a small frenzy when they smell food getting dropped in the tank..
 
aw2x3

aw2x3

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Originally Posted by MiamiReefr
AW...Hows the competition for food ....Does the hawk stay perched down below like most typical hawks? Just curious since the eels are present and I am sure they typically have a small frenzy when they smell food getting dropped in the tank..
I have a very strict regiment I have to follow, when feeding, to keep any other fish safe from the Whitemouth. The Dragon and Whitemouth do not compete for food...I think the Whitemouth knows he'd get his butt kicked.
If I feed any fish other than the Whitemouth first, he'll chase the fish around, trying to bite them, etc...really, really stresses out the whole tank.
I feed 4" long x 1" wide strips ocean fish (grouper, trigger, tuna, salmon, snapper, etc) to the Whitemouth and Dragon. The Whitemouth gets fed first, then I'll pour in some krill for the Hawkfish...next feed the Dragon who's getting pissy and then feed the Whitemouth again...pour in some more krill...
It goes like that until they're full or until the food is gone. I usually go through aprox. 2lbs of ocean fish a week.
 
miamireefr

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damn...I can only imagine any fish you add in the future when you have the 200 set back up requires some thought into feeding pattern. good info man.
thanks
 
mitsutech

mitsutech

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Originally Posted by AW2x3
Just by looking at them...
This is a Brazilian:

And you can see my Hawaiian in the pics above.
Brazilians are not a "true" Dragon...only called that because of the elongated nostrils. The only true Dragons are the Hawaiian and Japanese, which are both the same species, just different color patterns because of the different location.
Brazilian are relatively inexpensive...less than $150. The price of Hawaiians is coming down, but if you want a good looking, healthy specimen, you're looking at dropping at least $1000 and more often than not, closer to $1500.
Also, Brazilian are invert eaters...Hawaiian/Japanese are fish eaters.
I was wondering what literature you found saying they are not true dragons and not fish eaters.I truley take everyting you write as fact becuase i have read your post on a couple forums and and you seem to be the GODFATHER when it comes to eels and you havre allways been informitive and helpfull to me.My question is I live in Maryland and have benn keeping fish since i was abot twevlve.IN the lfs in all that time I have seen maybe 6 true dragons (allways 9-1200) and now my 3rd brazailan Im now 34 years old and go to at least 3 lfs a week.So that brings me to this question I can find literature on hawains all day long my question is my lfs has a caribean dealer it purchased a caribean dragon moray from about 8 inches long.Well I bought him,i have wanted one a long time it iooks just like the brazailan above.I was just wondering why it is not considered a true dragon? Its nostrils are well in front of the two pointed flesh type antennas and it has dagger type teeth unlike my zebra also mine will eat fish all day long.I traded in a pair of ocellaras and a 6 inch
stars and stripes puffer plus 120.00 bucs for him.Any information would be appreciated I can only find them on a few sites usually around 400 and no info.
 
aw2x3

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Originally Posted by MITSUTECH
I was wondering what literature you found saying they are not true dragons and not fish eaters.I truley take everyting you write as fact becuase i have read your post on a couple forums and and you seem to be the GODFATHER when it comes to eels and you havre allways been informitive and helpfull to me.My question is I live in Maryland and have benn keeping fish since i was abot twevlve.IN the lfs in all that time I have seen maybe 6 true dragons (allways 9-1200) and now my 3rd brazailan Im now 34 years old and go to at least 3 lfs a week.So that brings me to this question I can find literature on hawains all day long my question is my lfs has a caribean dealer it purchased a caribean dragon moray from about 8 inches long.Well I bought him,i have wanted one a long time it iooks just like the brazailan above.I was just wondering why it is not considered a true dragon? Its nostrils are well in front of the two pointed flesh type antennas and it has dagger type teeth unlike my zebra also mine will eat fish all day long.I traded in a pair of ocellaras and a 6 inch
stars and stripes puffer plus 120.00 bucs for him.Any information would be appreciated I can only find them on a few sites usually around 400 and no info.
Trust me...I'm still learning every single day...I'm not even close to what called "the GODFATHER". Thank you, very much, tho for your vote of confidence. I try to help, when I can.

Scientific name for the "Brazilian/Mexican Dragon" is Muraena pavonina. Another common name is also "Whitespot Moray".
When I say they're not "true" Dragons, it comes from the popular scientific outlook on them. Most Ichtyolagists, Biologists, etc. do not consider them to be the same as Hawaiian/Japanese Dragons. Brazilians are also a different
Genus too...they're Muraena whereas the Hawaiian/Japanese are Enchelycore. Aprox. 20 years, they were both Muraena but were realized to be two different species, so the name was changed.
Hawaiian and Japanese are the exact same species, just a different color pattern, because of the difference in location. While most Hawaiian have more yellow/orange, on a tan/grey/brown body, Japanese have a darker colored body (almost maroon in color, sometimes) with less dark orange/red markings.
The Hawaiian and Japanese also both have the curved jaw, keeping the mouth from closing completely...the Brazilian does not have this same trait. Also, the Brazilians teeth are not shaped like the Hawaiian/Japanese, often being more rounded, to eat inverts.
You says yours will eat fish and that's not uncommon...Hawaiian/Japanese will also eat crab, shrimp, etc. You can even catch Snowflake Morays eating fish.
Here is some info, that I keep handy, about the Brazilians:
*NOTE* Mods - None of these links are to other retail fish locations. They're scientific sites, such as fishbase.org, etc.
Muraena pavonina
Fishbase.org
 
mitsutech

mitsutech

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Originally Posted by AW2x3
Trust me...I'm still learning every single day...I'm not even close to what called "the GODFATHER". Thank you, very much, tho for your vote of confidence. I try to help, when I can.

Scientific name for the "Brazilian/Mexican Dragon" is Muraena pavonina. Another common name is also "Whitespot Moray".
When I say they're not "true" Dragons, it comes from the popular scientific outlook on them. Most Ichtyolagists, Biologists, etc. do not consider them to be the same as Hawaiian/Japanese Dragons. Brazilians are also a different
Genus too...they're Muraena whereas the Hawaiian/Japanese are Enchelycore. Aprox. 20 years, they were both Muraena but were realized to be two different species, so the name was changed.
Hawaiian and Japanese are the exact same species, just a different color pattern, because of the difference in location. While most Hawaiian have more yellow/orange, on a tan/grey/brown body, Japanese have a darker colored body (almost maroon in color, sometimes) with less dark orange/red markings.
The Hawaiian and Japanese also both have the curved jaw, keeping the mouth from closing completely...the Brazilian does not have this same trait. Also, the Brazilians teeth are not shaped like the Hawaiian/Japanese, often being more rounded, to eat inverts.
You says yours will eat fish and that's not uncommon...Hawaiian/Japanese will also eat crab, shrimp, etc. You can even catch Snowflake Morays eating fish.
Here is some info, that I keep handy, about the Brazilians:
*NOTE* Mods - None of these links are to other retail fish locations. They're scientific sites, such as fishbase.org, etc.
Muraena pavonina
Fishbase.org
Thanks for the help,I was wondering if you knew max length he is in a 150.Temperment is good as long as he is fed first.He is only about 8 inches and my 10 inch volitan is scared to death of him however doesnt even aknowledge my zebra that is about 26 inches.
 
aw2x3

aw2x3

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Fishbase has max length at roughly 51cm...which is only 20". I know for a fact that's completely false, as I've seen some that were close to 36".
psusocr1, here on SWF, has one that's already larger than 20", I believe.
Keep careful attention on your Zebra...they wont pass up a meal of little Moray, if the opprotunity presents itself.
 
mitsutech

mitsutech

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Originally Posted by AW2x3
Fishbase has max length at roughly 51cm...which is only 20". I know for a fact that's completely false, as I've seen some that were close to 36".
psusocr1, here on SWF, has one that's already larger than 20", I believe.
Keep careful attention on your Zebra...they wont pass up a meal of little Moray, if the opprotunity presents itself.
THANKS FOR THE INFO TOU HAVE BEEN A GREAT HELP.
 
nctarheels

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Originally Posted by MITSUTECH
I was wondering what literature you found saying they are not true dragons and not fish eaters.I truley take everyting you write as fact becuase i have read your post on a couple forums and and you seem to be the GODFATHER when it comes to eels and you havre allways been informitive and helpfull to me.My question is I live in Maryland and have benn keeping fish since i was abot twevlve.IN the lfs in all that time I have seen maybe 6 true dragons (allways 9-1200) and now my 3rd brazailan Im now 34 years old and go to at least 3 lfs a week.So that brings me to this question I can find literature on hawains all day long my question is my lfs has a caribean dealer it purchased a caribean dragon moray from about 8 inches long.Well I bought him,i have wanted one a long time it iooks just like the brazailan above.I was just wondering why it is not considered a true dragon? Its nostrils are well in front of the two pointed flesh type antennas and it has dagger type teeth unlike my zebra also mine will eat fish all day long.I traded in a pair of ocellaras and a 6 inch
stars and stripes puffer plus 120.00 bucs for him.Any information would be appreciated I can only find them on a few sites usually around 400 and no info.

if youre looking for a place that sells em i know one up it fort washington. click here
 
mitsutech

mitsutech

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Originally Posted by nctarheels
if youre looking for a place that sells em i know one up it fort washington. click here
Thanks i allready have one except the spotted moray they have in there pic looks nothing like the brazilian must be adifferent species.
 
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