New Tank set up

shrade

Member
Hello all,
This is my first post on this forum. I have run out of information at my local petshop.
I have recently purchased a 72 gallon bow front tank and am in the process/havoc of trying create a saltwater creation. The pet store that is local to my location set me up with 130lbs of crushed coral, filter, protein skimmer, heater, hood with regular flouresent light, some decorative coral pieces, a tool to measure the specific gravity of the water, and some synthetic salt.
The petstore employee advised that I cycle the tank with what I got for at least a week before I add fish.
My question is do I have everything I need?
What else do I need to do before adding fish? Invertabrates?
Please help!
Mike
 

shrade

Member
Falcon,
I would like to add fish, live rock, anemone, whatever I can put in the tank safely.
Thanks,
Mike
 

jumpfrog

Active Member
Looks like you have the basics on hand. The biggest question for now is what do you want to have. Reef, Fish Only, Fish Only with Live Rock. Important questions to answer to determine where to go next.
I have two recommendations.
1. Start your nitrogen cycle. Buy one or two small uncooked shrimp and throw them in your tank. This will start the cycle which will take 4 to 6 weeks.
2. Find a good saltwater book. A favorite of many is Robert Fullers' The Conscientious Marine Aquariust. Read it from cover to cover. You'll then get an idea of what kind of tank you want.
Once you know where you want to go, come back to us and I'm sure you'll get plenty of recommendations.
Good Luck!
P.S. Patience is an absolute imperative.
 

shrade

Member
Hello all,
I bought the shrimp and dropped them in the tank. I still have not purchased a book yet. I plan on going to the library and seeing if the have a "Saltwater Aquariums for Dummies" book. That seems like it will be right up my alley.
Questions:
What am I looking for with the shrimp in the tank?
I have read that live rock can be added to help cycle the tank, is this an option that I should look into?
I can probably find this information in a book, but until I find one I sure appreciate the info.
Thanks,
Mike
 

shrade

Member
Hello All,
Sunday the 29th I added roughly 90 lbs. of Fiji live rock to the aquarium. The temp is a steady 78 degrees and the specific gravity is at 1.0245.
What should I expect within the next week or so?
When is the right time to add a clean up crew?
What should happen next?
Any information would be beneficial.
Thanks in advance.
Mike
 
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hurley

Guest
Hey Shrade did you buy your book yet. Yes LR will help the cycle. What are your plans though. Reef, Fish Only W/ LR.:rolleyes:
 

shrade

Member
Originally posted by HURLEY
Hey Shrade did you buy your book yet. Yes LR will help the cycle. What are your plans though. Reef, Fish Only W/ LR.
Hurley,
Thanks for the reply! Yes I did buy a book actually two, but one is from the 70's and the information from the book seemed outdated (and thats coming from a beginner). Both of the books had information about cycling the tank. The newer book advised on live rock to help cycle.
One of my major problems is that the lfs is a *****. The Marine Specialist is book savy only. He has never maintained a tank for any amount of time. The closest real marine store is 105 Miles away. I took a trip to pick up the live rock on Sunday and hit 4 different shops. All with different ideas. The one store that just amazed me with the amount of knowledge and supplies was Sierrea exoctic fish in Issaquah Washington. Mark, was a very knowledgable person and encourage me to build certain items for less than I could buy them. While talking to Mark the best plans for me and the near future is a fish aquarium with live rock. Eventually moving to a sump system to include a reef. This will give me time to make a few mistakes, gather knowledge and most importantly save money for everything else that the change will cost.
I checked my water last night and the ammonia was low but my nitrites where skyrocketed. Water temp is still 78 degrees and the specific gravity is just above 1.025.
I have taken a few pictures of my setup and will include them in my next post (forgot my camera at home). I have read that when your tank is cycling that first the ammonia will spike followed by a Nitrite spike and a ammonia decrease, followed by a nitrite decrease as the Nitrate's increase.
Any steps that people out there have learned and would like to submit a reply I sure would appreciate it.
I have seen nothing crawling around on the rock and don't know if they will or when they will. This is something that was left out of the books that I have purchased.
Thanks again for your reply,
Any further information would be appreciated.
Mike
 
Shrade-
Where are you located? I have the same problem that you have with ***** being the only LFS.:confused: I have a few contacts that I have worked with in my area and if you are close to where I am (wenatchee) then I would not have a problem sharing with you.
 
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newreefers

Guest
just bought the book called The Conscientious Marine Aquarist by Robert M. Fenner and it is packed with info. great book, runs about $55.00 at the local book store.
 

broomer5

Active Member
Hi Mike,
It sounds like you've got things going good so far.
As this is your first sw tank - you selecting a 72 gallon tank is a wise decision in my opinion.
You mentioned that you've read about the nitrogen cycle - so you're ahead of many folks just starting out.
Here's just a few basic things I found helpful, that I learned either here on the board or from reading, that allowed me to avoid some of the common problems I encountered during the first year on my first tank.
Everything begins with the freshwater.
Use good quality freshwater - either RO, DI or RO/DI.
Tapwater can be used - but you may risk having excessive nitrate or phosphate problems down the road. It all depends on YOUR tapwater.
You can easily avoid many future headaches and problems by investing in an RO or RO/DI home unit early in the game. Other equipment toys are nice to have - good freshwater is so important that I don't consider the RO/DI a toy, but rather a valuable tool. It took me a year to figure that out.
Many people choose to buy RO or RO/DI for their freshwater source. This of course is another good option.
Water circulation. Not only do you want good quality tankwater - you want to make sure it's moving around in the tank pretty good.
Slow moving dead water is a sure fire way to lose creatures, does not get the waste/detritus up for it to be filtered/removed, and can cause gas exchange problems. Water chemistry and fish/inverts health and well being is affected by the movement and circulation of the tank's water.
I didn't notice any powerheads listed on your list of stuff.
Even though the powerfilter and skimmer will help, you may want to consider 2 or more powerheads. More water circulation is often better than too little.
Get some decent test kits and begin a routine of using them. After a few months - some of the tests are not required near as often.
Even though you have a decent sized tank - don't be tempted to stock it too fast with fish. Rarely do you hear of a new tank having problems from stocking slowly, with months between new fish additions. It's the too many too fast that can jump up and bite you.
Expect some brownish/rusty colored diatom growth around the 3-6 week old timeframe. It's common - it likely will go away in most every case.
Expect some other algae growth as well - but realize that a little algae in the tank is considered a good sign by many. If you see large areas becoming overgrown with heavy algae growth - you may need to takes other steps.
After your cycle - watch the nitrates and phosphates with test kits. In most every case, these kits results will tell the story "before" you actually see the problem appear.
In other words - you can somewhat "predict" what may happen later if you know your tankwater conditions before.
After making sure you have great freshwater for saltmixes and evaporation top offs - I'd say that having a lot of live rock in the tank is probably one of the best insurance policies you can have for success. It's just great stuff - looks cool - makes the tank look more natural - and provides excellent biofiltration.
A tank loaded down with good quality live rock, along with using good freshwater, and having a routine of doing some partial water changes - makes for a very forgiving system.
Not only for people just starting out in the hobby, but also for the more seasoned/experienced hobbyests with established mature tanks.
As you begin to think about fish/invert selection - try to imagine what you want your tank to be like say 6 months, a year and several years from now. Sort of have a visual plan on it's appearance, as well any plans to add corals or inverts.
The compatibility and disease/health risks of each fish/invert should be considered, as well as each creatures diet, swimming room, potential conflicts, special lighting requirements and how they may affect your future plans for each and every addition afterwards. What you add today may prevent you from adding something you really want later on ..... and vice versa.
Avoid the tempation to try all these cool looking marine tank additives you see at the local fish store or online. Although some established mature tanks that contain certain species of inverts or corals do have certain requirements for additional supplements - newly set up tanks rarely do.
Water changes with good water and salt - will do the trick for quite a while. About the only things I think you'll want to start reading up on is the relationship between pH, alkalkinity and calcium. It is by far the most difficult to understand for most, including myself, but after you get a hold of it, it will help you all along in the hobby.
I'll say this twice okay. DON'T OVERFEED ..... DON'T OVERFEED.
More problems with tankwater chemistry/algae growth arise from overfeeding than most any other thing we do.
Again, this is a sure fire way to booger up you tankwater.
And this last suggestions is directly from my experience, as I'm sure others would agree from their own personal experiences.
Ask or read - don't guess.
I've "guessed" wrong several times before - and had to deal with each set of resulting consequences.
Avoid before, rather than overcome after ;)
 

shrade

Member
Broomer5,
Thanks for the response! Since my last post there have been a few developments. After adding the live rock I tested the water. Temp, Ph, Specific Gravity, where all within specs, Nitrites where still very high. I tested the water nightly and watched as the level dropped to almost nill 8 days later. I then took a water sample to the lfs. The Marine Specialist advised that the water was fine and I could add fish at any time. I bought two clowns and a couple of camel shrimp.
THe fish have been alive for 4 days now, I am amazed.
I called a person from Garf.org and was asking about the garf grunge. And if it would be suitable for my tank. With this call I found out that I no longer needed the Bio-wheel filtration device and that I was on the right track for my goals. He advised me about lighting that I would need to substain my live rock and some simple corals.
After the removal of the bio-wheel filter here the brown daitcom growth started.
I am planning on purchasing the garf grunge and also the tank clean-up crew from garf.org ($1.00 a creature wow!)
I will keep you posted and post pictures next time.
Thanks for all the help. You don't know how much I need it.
Saltywashington,
I am a Wenatcheeite
We should hook up.
 

broomer5

Active Member
That's great Mike !!!!
Sounds like you are well on your way - and doing the right things.
Avoiding the pitfalls many of us have gone through from leaping before we look.
The grundge will add some diversity ( bacteria mostly, but maybe some substrate critters too ) and is most always a good thing.
Sounds like you're near or at the end of your intiail tank cycle - wahoo !
Getting the "new" lighting is great - but I would simply advise not rushing in too fast with corals yet ... even the easy mushrooms and polyps do better in an established tank.
Your tank - even though the test numbers look great - is still a young set up - and needs to mature some yet.
In other words - don't blow it going too fast LOL ( been there done that )
I'd give it at minimum - a full month if not two - before adding any corals. Though that's just my opinion, and others here as well I'm sure.
$1.00 a critter is cool - but I would hope that you looked at this sites clean-up crew packages as well. They have some great deals, good livestock, and most all my janitors I get from here.
Most.
The shipping is normally free - and when you get to the point of needing more crawling, scooting, cleaning creatures - that you'd also think of swf.com as a good source for them.
( I'm starting to sound like an advertisement - because I am )
Diversity never hurts ;)
Good luck - keep it going - have fun !
 

broomer5

Active Member
Oh yeah ....... almost forgot.
QUARANTINE your fish before adding them to a tank is highly recommended.
If you want more information on this - please visit the disease forum - or ask here.
( Beth encourages us to say this - because it's the smart thing to do )
It really is ;) wise when we're talking about avoiding future problems compared to having to overcome or dealing with them later.
 
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