florida joe
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Thanks now i have to look up sarcastic. Cant you just say grumpy
New tank setup with established ecosystem
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socalnano24
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mastertech
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well we did the transfer. 5 hrs after switching on the pump the nitrates were at 5ppm and everything else withing ideal specs also.
we used some live sand from the LFS and about 4 lbs of my sand and rock and my bioballs.
we used some live sand from the LFS and about 4 lbs of my sand and rock and my bioballs.
socalnano24
Active Member
Originally Posted by mastertech
http:///forum/post/3183882
well we did the transfer. 5 hrs after switching on the pump the nitrates were at 5ppm and everything else withing ideal specs also.
we used some live sand from the LFS and about 4 lbs of my sand and rock and my bioballs.
Ok sweet, give it a week, and see what happens, good luck
http:///forum/post/3183882
well we did the transfer. 5 hrs after switching on the pump the nitrates were at 5ppm and everything else withing ideal specs also.
we used some live sand from the LFS and about 4 lbs of my sand and rock and my bioballs.
Ok sweet, give it a week, and see what happens, good luck
beaslbob
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by mastertech
http:///forum/post/3183249
my goal would be to completely avoid the new tank cycle and add fish and or coral asap.
would this be possible with water/rock/bio-balls/cheato/fish/coral from my display tank. is that understandable/possible
Yes.
the key to me is the chaeto. More generally the plant life.
If you establish thriving plant life like chaeto right from the start a normal reaction is little to no ammonia, and nitrItes spikes but an initial nitrate spiks that drops down in a few weeks as the aerobic bacteria builds up.
The reason for that is because the algae actually prefers to consume ammonia over nitrates and therefore prevents the ammonia spike.
my .02
http:///forum/post/3183249
my goal would be to completely avoid the new tank cycle and add fish and or coral asap.
would this be possible with water/rock/bio-balls/cheato/fish/coral from my display tank. is that understandable/possible
Yes.
the key to me is the chaeto. More generally the plant life.
If you establish thriving plant life like chaeto right from the start a normal reaction is little to no ammonia, and nitrItes spikes but an initial nitrate spiks that drops down in a few weeks as the aerobic bacteria builds up.
The reason for that is because the algae actually prefers to consume ammonia over nitrates and therefore prevents the ammonia spike.
my .02
mastertech
Member
no spikes of anykind as of 35 hrs in. looks like everything is going to be fine. i think the new tank will most likely comletely avoid the recycle. already added an evil hermit crab from the display tank and may add one small damselfish to keep the ammonia oxydizing bacteria stable.
mastertech
Member
thanks. will look into the price of those. (i can get damselfish for $3.00 each from LFS)
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/3183755
Henry I conferred with my son, seems that he would rather I not use his picture for my avatar. I certainly do not mind using the young buck and thank you for the idea but you know how these youngins can get
http:///forum/post/3183755
Henry I conferred with my son, seems that he would rather I not use his picture for my avatar. I certainly do not mind using the young buck and thank you for the idea but you know how these youngins can get
mastertech
Member
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3184810
Henry I conferred with my son, seems that he would rather I not use his picture for my avatar. I certainly do not mind using the young buck and thank you for the idea but you know how these youngins can get
Nitrate 0-2ppm
pH 7.8-7.9
ammonia 0ppm
after 48 hrs.
http:///forum/post/3184810
Henry I conferred with my son, seems that he would rather I not use his picture for my avatar. I certainly do not mind using the young buck and thank you for the idea but you know how these youngins can get
Nitrate 0-2ppm
pH 7.8-7.9
ammonia 0ppm
after 48 hrs.
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by mastertech
http:///forum/post/3184961
Nitrate 0-2ppm
pH 7.8-7.9
ammonia 0ppm
after 48 hrs.
http:///forum/post/3184961
Nitrate 0-2ppm
pH 7.8-7.9
ammonia 0ppm
after 48 hrs.
J
jstdv8
Guest
I would have to disagree with some of what joe said in reguards to the sand.
Now ive only done it once, but i moved a tank that had a perfectly good system in it and I left the sand and about 2" of water in the tank when i moved it. Took out all the remaining water and LR and put them in totes and transfered the tank in a heated vehicle that took about 1 hour from point A to point B. Took me about another 45 minutes to get the tank on teh stand and get the water put back in which i did by putting a pail in the tank and pouring the water over the pail to break up the splash in the sand.
This was my first (and only) tank so im no expert but i did experience an ammonia spike and i used everything that came with the tank, filters, LR, water, sand, skimmer, even a lionfish that was its only inhabitant.
I had to put bacteria in there to get the cycle past the ammonia stage faster in order to save my fish that i couldnt find an alternate home for once the cycle started.
Anyways it took 2.5 weeks and then it was basically done.
just my .02, but I dont think you are guaranteed to not have a cycle if you use the existing sand as no matter how you do it its going to get stirred up and its my only assumption that the stirred sand is what caused the ammonia spike as nothing else was changed and it came from a tank that was established for 2 years.
Now ive only done it once, but i moved a tank that had a perfectly good system in it and I left the sand and about 2" of water in the tank when i moved it. Took out all the remaining water and LR and put them in totes and transfered the tank in a heated vehicle that took about 1 hour from point A to point B. Took me about another 45 minutes to get the tank on teh stand and get the water put back in which i did by putting a pail in the tank and pouring the water over the pail to break up the splash in the sand.
This was my first (and only) tank so im no expert but i did experience an ammonia spike and i used everything that came with the tank, filters, LR, water, sand, skimmer, even a lionfish that was its only inhabitant.
I had to put bacteria in there to get the cycle past the ammonia stage faster in order to save my fish that i couldnt find an alternate home for once the cycle started.
Anyways it took 2.5 weeks and then it was basically done.
just my .02, but I dont think you are guaranteed to not have a cycle if you use the existing sand as no matter how you do it its going to get stirred up and its my only assumption that the stirred sand is what caused the ammonia spike as nothing else was changed and it came from a tank that was established for 2 years.
mastertech
Member
Originally Posted by Jstdv8
http:///forum/post/3185612
I would have to disagree with some of what joe said in reguards to the sand.
Now ive only done it once, but i moved a tank that had a perfectly good system in it and I left the sand and about 2" of water in the tank when i moved it. Took out all the remaining water and LR and put them in totes and transfered the tank in a heated vehicle that took about 1 hour from point A to point B. Took me about another 45 minutes to get the tank on teh stand and get the water put back in which i did by putting a pail in the tank and pouring the water over the pail to break up the splash in the sand.
This was my first (and only) tank so im no expert but i did experience an ammonia spike and i used everything that came with the tank, filters, LR, water, sand, skimmer, even a lionfish that was its only inhabitant.
I had to put bacteria in there to get the cycle past the ammonia stage faster in order to save my fish that i couldnt find an alternate home for once the cycle started.
Anyways it took 2.5 weeks and then it was basically done.
just my .02, but I dont think you are guaranteed to not have a cycle if you use the existing sand as no matter how you do it its going to get stirred up and its my only assumption that the stirred sand is what caused the ammonia spike as nothing else was changed and it came from a tank that was established for 2 years.
Fair enough.... all the parameters are still stable (see above)
added a damselfish to support ammonia oxidizing bacteria yesterday and still alive today.
http:///forum/post/3185612
I would have to disagree with some of what joe said in reguards to the sand.
Now ive only done it once, but i moved a tank that had a perfectly good system in it and I left the sand and about 2" of water in the tank when i moved it. Took out all the remaining water and LR and put them in totes and transfered the tank in a heated vehicle that took about 1 hour from point A to point B. Took me about another 45 minutes to get the tank on teh stand and get the water put back in which i did by putting a pail in the tank and pouring the water over the pail to break up the splash in the sand.
This was my first (and only) tank so im no expert but i did experience an ammonia spike and i used everything that came with the tank, filters, LR, water, sand, skimmer, even a lionfish that was its only inhabitant.
I had to put bacteria in there to get the cycle past the ammonia stage faster in order to save my fish that i couldnt find an alternate home for once the cycle started.
Anyways it took 2.5 weeks and then it was basically done.
just my .02, but I dont think you are guaranteed to not have a cycle if you use the existing sand as no matter how you do it its going to get stirred up and its my only assumption that the stirred sand is what caused the ammonia spike as nothing else was changed and it came from a tank that was established for 2 years.
Fair enough.... all the parameters are still stable (see above)
added a damselfish to support ammonia oxidizing bacteria yesterday and still alive today.
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by Jstdv8
http:///forum/post/3185612
I would have to disagree with some of what joe said in reguards to the sand.
Now ive only done it once, but i moved a tank that had a perfectly good system in it and I left the sand and about 2" of water in the tank when i moved it. Took out all the remaining water and LR and put them in totes and transfered the tank in a heated vehicle that took about 1 hour from point A to point B. Took me about another 45 minutes to get the tank on teh stand and get the water put back in which i did by putting a pail in the tank and pouring the water over the pail to break up the splash in the sand.
This was my first (and only) tank so im no expert but i did experience an ammonia spike and i used everything that came with the tank, filters, LR, water, sand, skimmer, even a lionfish that was its only inhabitant.
I had to put bacteria in there to get the cycle past the ammonia stage faster in order to save my fish that i couldnt find an alternate home for once the cycle started.
Anyways it took 2.5 weeks and then it was basically done.
just my .02, but I dont think you are guaranteed to not have a cycle if you use the existing sand as no matter how you do it its going to get stirred up and its my only assumption that the stirred sand is what caused the ammonia spike as nothing else was changed and it came from a tank that was established for 2 years.
Just a few observations. Your bi filtration is predicated on your organic breakdown. You had one fish in a 90g tank (I believe). It is very possible that the majority if not all of your bio filtration was colonized on your mechanical filter media. When moving this media you could have very well compromised the bacteria colony. Organic matter decomposing giving us ammonia is not put on hold until we move our sand. The introduction of ammonia is from a source you introduced after your tank was set up again. The fact that you had to wait 2 plus weeks to be able to cycle organics shows to me your bio filtration was compromised .
http:///forum/post/3185612
I would have to disagree with some of what joe said in reguards to the sand.
Now ive only done it once, but i moved a tank that had a perfectly good system in it and I left the sand and about 2" of water in the tank when i moved it. Took out all the remaining water and LR and put them in totes and transfered the tank in a heated vehicle that took about 1 hour from point A to point B. Took me about another 45 minutes to get the tank on teh stand and get the water put back in which i did by putting a pail in the tank and pouring the water over the pail to break up the splash in the sand.
This was my first (and only) tank so im no expert but i did experience an ammonia spike and i used everything that came with the tank, filters, LR, water, sand, skimmer, even a lionfish that was its only inhabitant.
I had to put bacteria in there to get the cycle past the ammonia stage faster in order to save my fish that i couldnt find an alternate home for once the cycle started.
Anyways it took 2.5 weeks and then it was basically done.
just my .02, but I dont think you are guaranteed to not have a cycle if you use the existing sand as no matter how you do it its going to get stirred up and its my only assumption that the stirred sand is what caused the ammonia spike as nothing else was changed and it came from a tank that was established for 2 years.
Just a few observations. Your bi filtration is predicated on your organic breakdown. You had one fish in a 90g tank (I believe). It is very possible that the majority if not all of your bio filtration was colonized on your mechanical filter media. When moving this media you could have very well compromised the bacteria colony. Organic matter decomposing giving us ammonia is not put on hold until we move our sand. The introduction of ammonia is from a source you introduced after your tank was set up again. The fact that you had to wait 2 plus weeks to be able to cycle organics shows to me your bio filtration was compromised .
S
salty-727
Guest
i have had 3 different tank sizes and moved them 6 times in the last 5 years,,, i had 1 cycle 5years ago..nitrates always jump up but if you have enough bio to begian with you should be fine..adding or taking or moving or whatever IMO
J
jstdv8
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Joe,
Now you got me interested
I don't have a filter other than the live rock and a skimmer. Like I said Im a newb so I'm learning here. I took everything from the established tank, including the tank itself and brought it home and set it up within 2 hours of being taken down. the water temperature in the totes was almost the same as when I took it out of the tank as I kept the car extremely warm on the ride home. The only thing I added was 2 silversides eaten immediatley every two days by the lionfish. No new rock, no new water, same skimmer, same powerheads.
I just don't see how it didn't come from the sand as with all the splashing water from the move i felt this was the only thing that I couldnt control very well during the 1 hour drive home. The sand definatley got stirred.
To add another piece to the puzzle that I forgot to mention before i also had 4 hermit crabs in with the lionfish. the hermits stayed in the sand, in the tank the ride home. I dont think that would matter, but just figured if you cant give the mechanic all the info on your car when its not functioning you are just wasting time and money
I'd like to reitterate, I'm not arguing, just trying to better understand for the future as I'm going to be moving this same tank again from its present location about 3 feet to the right and into the wall, which of course will require me to empty everything and start over. I plan on adding quite a bit more rock during the new location move and I'm going to be removing the sand and placing egg crate down on the bottom to better support the bottom of the tank. Obviously I'd REALLY like to avoid another cycle if possible.
Thanks
Now you got me interested
I don't have a filter other than the live rock and a skimmer. Like I said Im a newb so I'm learning here. I took everything from the established tank, including the tank itself and brought it home and set it up within 2 hours of being taken down. the water temperature in the totes was almost the same as when I took it out of the tank as I kept the car extremely warm on the ride home. The only thing I added was 2 silversides eaten immediatley every two days by the lionfish. No new rock, no new water, same skimmer, same powerheads.
I just don't see how it didn't come from the sand as with all the splashing water from the move i felt this was the only thing that I couldnt control very well during the 1 hour drive home. The sand definatley got stirred.
To add another piece to the puzzle that I forgot to mention before i also had 4 hermit crabs in with the lionfish. the hermits stayed in the sand, in the tank the ride home. I dont think that would matter, but just figured if you cant give the mechanic all the info on your car when its not functioning you are just wasting time and money
I'd like to reitterate, I'm not arguing, just trying to better understand for the future as I'm going to be moving this same tank again from its present location about 3 feet to the right and into the wall, which of course will require me to empty everything and start over. I plan on adding quite a bit more rock during the new location move and I'm going to be removing the sand and placing egg crate down on the bottom to better support the bottom of the tank. Obviously I'd REALLY like to avoid another cycle if possible.
Thanks
nuro
Member
want to add my experience to this debate. I had a 55 established for about a year and decided to add a 12 gallon ecplise. I bought the tank, added DEAD sand, moved 12 gallons of water and approx 25 lbs of rock from my established tank, then immidiately added the inhabitants as soon as the water cleared up from the sand(about 5 or so hours). with this procedure i had no cycle, and the LR in turn seeded the sand. HTH.
mastertech
Member
Originally Posted by Jstdv8
http:///forum/post/3186342
sometimes you loose
Originally Posted by nuro
http:///forum/post/3186349
sometimes you win
added a watchman goby and more rock. all levels stable. will post pics tonignt (maybe)
will give the damselfish back to the LFS soon. (he was just a cheap temporary symbiote to the bacteria)
http:///forum/post/3186342
sometimes you loose
Originally Posted by nuro
http:///forum/post/3186349
sometimes you win
added a watchman goby and more rock. all levels stable. will post pics tonignt (maybe)
will give the damselfish back to the LFS soon. (he was just a cheap temporary symbiote to the bacteria)