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hunt30

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Ok I have a 55 gallon tank and I want to change it into a reef tank. I have a current or corallife light with 65 watts, 10,000k daylight, 460nm actinic. I am currently using a rena filstar xp2. I was woundering if I should switch to a refugium. Also is the lighting good enough to house some corals. I was thinking about a simple refugium that did not cost a whole lot. I wanted to make the refugium myself. I figured using a 20 gallon tank for the fuge and using like a three camber fuge. (if you understand what I mean haha) I dont know what I am getting into really. Someone told me to do like bio balls or whatever in the first part. Live sand and some plants in the second part. Not sure what he said to put in the third part. Also can anyone give me an idea of how much money this would take? Here are some pics of my tank right now.
Thanks Hunt


 

scsinet

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You don't necessarily need a refugium or fuge. I don't run them on any of my systems and I do just fine. Of course, they do have their benefits, so if your budget isn't holding you back, go for it, but I am not an advocate of bio balls or any other biological media in reef systems, so I'd skip the bio-balls.
If you want a successful reef by building on what you have, here is what I'd do...
1. Sump. Get one. A 20 gallon tank will be fine. You don't need to make it a fuge, just an open tank full of water will do. That will give you a place to hide your heater and skimmer. Since you were already talking about it, I'll assume you did your research on overflows, return pumps, etc.
2. Skimmer. I don't see a skimmer on your system. A reef system should not be run without one, it's infinitely more important than a fuge, so get this even if you can't afford to do anything else. Spend a chunk of change and do this right. Get a skimmer from Coralife (Super skimmer), AquaC, Euro Reef, or My Reef Creations. Don't get scared by the price tag, they are all worth the price.
3. Live Rock. I estimate you have about 20lbs of LR in your system. Add at least 40 more. Having that much live rock in a 55 gallon tank will take the place of all of your artificial filtration. Your current HOB and canister filter won't be needed, and your tank will run rock solid stable. In this setup, your sump needn't be anything more than an empty box full of water. Again, this is a big ticket item, but it's worth it. It will also give you tons of places to place coral. Remember to cure the LR you get before you add it, since your system is already cycled.
4. Lighting. Sorry, the lighting system you have is insufficient. Since I'm betting your bulbs haven't been replaced in a long time anyway, get a new lighting system. Here is where you can spend a little or a LOT of money. I'm a halide lover, but unless you want to keep SPS, Clams, or Anemones, you won't need anything that fancy. I'd shoot for about 200-400 watts of light total. The 200w side will let you keep pretty much all soft corals, the 400 watt side will let you keep pretty much anything you want. The other thing you can do is slap another 65w system which should be fairly inexpensive over the tank now and upgrade later if cost is an factor, and just start with simple stuff like zoos and mushrooms. The stuff I listed above is a bigger priority.
 

earlybird

Active Member
I recommend you use the search function on this board and type in sump, fuge, refugium, etc. Read through the search results. There are numerous posts on this topic and although not specified to yours exactly, you can learn a lot. Then post specific questions that the search did not answer. There are a lot of great posts. I've learned a ton by doing this and you will too. I suggest you check out replies by squidd and sign guy. They know their stuff when it comes to diy sumps and fuges. Good luck.
 

maelv

Active Member
Hunt, I just turned my 42 gallon old tank into my sump / fuge for my new 135. And I did the three chambers you were referring to. I agree, a skimmer is definitely necessary.
1st chamber: overlflow from tank and I have my skimmer in there
2nd chamber: live sand (asked a LFS for some of their sand to seed mine...and they just let me have a bag full), live rock, chaeto
3rd chamber: return pump back to display tank.
If you already have the tank, it is really inexpensive to do this. I went to Lowe's and had them cut glass for me and got some silicone...all for less than $15. It is not the prettiest thing, but it is located where no one can see it so I really don't care.
Of course that does not include the plumbing you will need to have (which ran me about $60 for PVC, ball valves--most expensive part of the plumbing--, primer, cement). And while you don't have to have the ball valves...I have already had to use them to shut off the water flow and keep the water from going all over the place...ha ha ha...so it was worth the $25 or so the two cost...
 

hunt30

Member
Hey guys thanks a lot ... this helped me a bunch... thanks for the replies. Thanks for the detail SCSInet.
 

sign guy

Active Member
Originally Posted by SCSInet
You don't necessarily need a refugium or fuge. I don't run them on any of my systems and I do just fine. Of course, they do have their benefits, so if your budget isn't holding you back, go for it, but I am not an advocate of bio balls or any other biological media in reef systems, so I'd skip the bio-balls.
If you want a successful reef by building on what you have, here is what I'd do...
1. Sump. Get one. A 20 gallon tank will be fine. You don't need to make it a fuge, just an open tank full of water will do. That will give you a place to hide your heater and skimmer. Since you were already talking about it, I'll assume you did your research on overflows, return pumps, etc.
2. Skimmer. I don't see a skimmer on your system. A reef system should not be run without one, it's infinitely more important than a fuge, so get this even if you can't afford to do anything else. Spend a chunk of change and do this right. Get a skimmer from Coralife (Super skimmer), AquaC, Euro Reef, or My Reef Creations. Don't get scared by the price tag, they are all worth the price.
3. Live Rock. I estimate you have about 20lbs of LR in your system. Add at least 40 more. Having that much live rock in a 55 gallon tank will take the place of all of your artificial filtration. Your current HOB and canister filter won't be needed, and your tank will run rock solid stable. In this setup, your sump needn't be anything more than an empty box full of water. Again, this is a big ticket item, but it's worth it. It will also give you tons of places to place coral. Remember to cure the LR you get before you add it, since your system is already cycled.
4. Lighting. Sorry, the lighting system you have is insufficient. Since I'm betting your bulbs haven't been replaced in a long time anyway, get a new lighting system. Here is where you can spend a little or a LOT of money. I'm a halide lover, but unless you want to keep SPS, Clams, or Anemones, you won't need anything that fancy. I'd shoot for about 200-400 watts of light total. The 200w side will let you keep pretty much all soft corals, the 400 watt side will let you keep pretty much anything you want. The other thing you can do is slap another 65w system which should be fairly inexpensive over the tank now and upgrade later if cost is an factor, and just start with simple stuff like zoos and mushrooms. The stuff I listed above is a bigger priority.
what he said
 

hunt30

Member
Hey SCSInet ... on that live rock thing I am not sure how much live rock I have in my tank but I was wanting to keep the rock off the glass. I feel this would decrease the amount of bad algae on the tanks glass. Also it makes it easier to clean the glass haha duh though right. Just woundering if I could add maybe like 20 more lbs. instead of 40 and or something.... or finding a way around this. What if I just added LR to the sump ??
 

sign guy

Active Member
while LR dose add alot of bio area most people dont think about the other binifits that it has. like hiding places and currant distrabution pluss shelvs for coral to grow on. It also creates a more naturle and complete system.
Its your choice but the longer your in the hobby the more you see LR is DA bomb (say that last line in your head like the skitt of DA bears from SNL)
 

hunt30

Member
Hey thanks man... sorry I know this is a dumb question I should know the answer too ...but how do you cure LR? Is it just getting the bact. thats on it off ? Because then it wouldnt be LR. Why not just buy Tufa (I think thats how you spell it)?
 

sign guy

Active Member
when LR is pulled out of the ocean and shipped alot of bactiria dies. the curing proces of waiting for all the dead stuff to compleatly die off and cycle through the ammonia, nitrate, and nitrite proces
 

sign guy

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the sump itself is just a tank you will need an overflow box and a pump. You could get it all for 150-200$
 
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