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doboy

Member
Hello,
First, let me say thank you to all on this board. The information and discussions that are here are like no other information source on the subject.
I have kept FW fish off and on for 20+ years. I've bred cichlids, raised an arrowanna from a fry, had all kinds of tanks. I even kept leeches for a couple years (for bait). I never had the money for SW.
I have a 55 that's been empty for about 8 years. My 5 year old daughter asked if we could fill it up. Of course, she wanted a "Nemo".
Needless to say, I do have the money for SW now, so I've been spending!
I spent about 3 weeks building a stand and hood. I had to make the hood to accomodate an Orbit 4X65 PC.
Set the tank up with 75lb of fully cured Fiji live rock, 60 lb live sand, 40 lb aragonite.
RO water, Oceanic Sea Salt mixed to 1.023 SG.
I bought a Wet Dry filter, 500 gph pump, Skimmer, power head for the skimmer, and all the plumbing in one package from a web site. Took out all but 1 layer of Bioballs. In retrospect, I could have made a sump, but I wasn't too sure until I got my hands on one how all this stuff went together.
Got everything up and running, and started testing daily for :
Ammonia
Nitrites
Nitrates
pH
dKh
SG
Temp Ranges from 76-78
Lights are on timers. Actinics for 12 hrs, Daylights for 10 hrs. Lunar lights when the Actinics go off. Also have a 190 gph PH that kicks on and off every 30 min and a 15 watt UV sterilizer.
I waited for a cycle. On day 5 I got an ammonia reading of .1 ppm. After that, I haven't got any ammonia since. My nitrites started off at .3 ppm, and have gradually gone down to .05 ppm. Nitrates were at a high of 10 ppm, and have worked down to 5. This is after 3 weeks. I put everything on a spreadsheet so I could track it.
Also, dKH is around 8, Calcium is at 495 ppm, pH has remained steady at around 8.1. I also have an alkalinity test that reads in the normal range.
I was waiting for a big ammonia spike, but my lfs said I probably wouldn't get one because of the quantity of cured LR. I made sure the water was at around 75 before I added the LR, and got it in within an hour of leaving the store. I even dropped a shrimp in there and let it rot -- didn't get any rise in ammonia. After the shrimp, I got a little nitrates and nitrites, but they have gone down. After a week, I got 10 small snails, and 15 small hermits.
After two weeks, I did a 10% water change. All my readings were still good, so the LFS said a couple of fish would be OK. I got 2 firefish, and a yellowhead jawfish. They are all pretty happy. One of the firesfish was a little beat up, but after two days, he seems a little happier. The jawfish went right to work builing a house, and is doing well.
The live rock came with all kinds of hitchikers, including a small bubble tip anemone. I know he shouldn't be in there, but he is. I also let impulse grab me, and got a small T. hippo clam. He has begun to anchor himself to a rock where I placed him about 1/2 way up the water column. I figure the LR can handle some bioload, but not a lot just yet.
I know I probably went a little overboard on livestock right now, but everyone seems to be doing well. I was going to give all this stuff a month, monitor my levels, and then look at some mushrooms.
A couple questions: Does anyone know of a formula for estimating copepod populations? I mean, can you get a count from a section of glass and get an estimate on what's on the rock, etc? I've got a bunch now, and was just wonering.
Also, If I got an SCWD, would I leave the powerhead in, or would that be too much?
Thanks again for everyone that participates in this site. It is really a great thing.
Jim
p.s., I was pretty proud of the stand/hood I built. I'll try to attach a picture.
 

legion

Member
It sounds like you did not let your tank cycle. You will get an ammonia reading, then a nitrite reading then a nitrate reading, it usually takes 3-6 weeks for the whole deal to finish. The bacteria needs time to grow.
In my experience firefish are delicate and may die if your tank cycles. never had a jawfish. Inverts may die also if your tank cycles(an anemone is very delicate)
I'm not trying to worry you, your LFS guy may be correct, but when setting up a reef most people go really slow. This ensures that all your levels are in check, a tank can decline very quickly and dying animals add to the death. Just test your water and visually watch for stress in your stock and keep us posted! The cured rock is a good thing
Stand looks good, nice, and im not sure what a scwd is?
 

jlem

Active Member
If the rock you put in was cured already then you may not have a cycle. Nothing says that a tank has to have a noticable cycle. A cycle is caused by die off and the ammonia that it produces. If the rock already is saturated with bacteria then it will consume the ammonia from day one and you will not have a cycle at all. Lots of people think that once rock goes inside a rectangular piece of glass or acrylic that you must have a cycle which makes no sense since all you did was take rock from one tank that was cycled and quickly moved it to another. It sounds like your tank did it's cycle very quickly when you experienced a small spike that was quickly taken care of by the LR that was already saturated with the bacteria ythat a cycle will produce. Sound like you tank is ready to add fish slowly.
 

bigarn

Active Member
Raise the temp. to 80 degrees... and get the specific gravity to 1.025... this should give you a salinity of 35ppt, which is perfect for a reef tank. :D
Nice job on the stand! :happy:
 

doboy

Member
Bigarn,
Thanks for the advice. Aren't 80 degrees and 1.025 Sg the high sides of the range? Before I approach the high sides, I wanted to make sure I wasn't swinging too much (in temp from the heater, and in SG from evaporation).
 

bigarn

Active Member
Not for a reef tank. Raise them slowly to let the livestock acclimate themselves and you should be fine. A high temp. for a reef tank is 86 and higher. :D
 

blemmy_guy

Active Member
Great lookin stand, and welcome to the boards. Listen to Bigarn, he one of the best, there are alot of good ones on here, but a few that are great, and hes one of them. Best wishes and luck to you and your family on your new swf tank!!! keep us up on its progress! todd
 

offshore80

Member
Good job. Looks great. Sounds like you've done your home work. Your right, as your water evaporates your salinity will go up. I guess you have to reach a happy medium in your top offs. I would start at 1.024 then check it before you top off to see what it settled at. then try to keep it in the ball park of 1.025 the best you can. Oh, get a refractometer.
 

snipe

Active Member

Originally posted by Blemmy_Guy
Great lookin stand, and welcome to the boards. Listen to Bigarn, he one of the best, there are alot of good ones on here, but a few that are great, and hes one of them. Best wishes and luck to you and your family on your new swf tank!!! keep us up on its progress! todd

Im just upset with you blemmy
. What about me?
:D
 

trigger78

Member

Originally posted by Offshore80
Oh, get a refractometer.

They are a must. Threw my hydrometer away as soon as I got mine!
 

snipe

Active Member
Hey Hey Hey now. Dont you make me reach through this screen!
"better not last time I tried I hurt my hand"
:D
 

doboy

Member
Moray345,
Thanks. At this point, I've got a lot more confidence in my cabinetmaking abilities than my Reefkeeping ones! I did take a water sample in to a very reputable LFS in Chicago. They confirmed my SG was correct (for now). I had a trace of ammonia (.05ppm), Zero nitrites and 2ppm nitrates.
I topped off with some 1.024 saltwater today and raised my temp by a degree.
My live rock is really starting to show some stuff. I have some really tiny feather dusters of some kind, a bunch of mysis shrimp, more copeopods than I can count (my daughter calls them cocopods). If I could take pictures close up, I would. I'll keep trying to see if I can get some to come out.
Also, I mis-IDd the anemone. Its not a bubble tip. It's an orange tip, I believe. Just a small one. I just saw a post asking for an ID with the same thing.
 

salty_0ne

Member
Hey man I cant tell you any helpful information because I am new to this but it looks great so far and very good luck to you!
 

salty cheese

Active Member
Welcome to the board.

I have a 55 that's been empty for about 8 years.
Did you ever use copper based meds in the tank? If you did it will kill inverts.
Also have a 190 gph PH that kicks on and off every 30 min
So are you saying it isn't on all the time? It should be and IMO you need some flow through the tank.
 

doboy

Member
Salty,
Nope, I never used copper for anything. Considering it was empty for quite a while, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to test. I cleaned it out really well, and rinsed it with 5 gallons of RO before placing it on the stand and filling it up.
As for the power head, it's just extra for flow. I'm running a 500 gph pump out of my sump. I just picked up a 3/4" Sea Swirl today, which I will put in this weekend off the 500 gph pump.
 
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