News flash: the war in Iraq is NOT a war against terror

[triga22]

Ok not nothing. I recognize what good we do. I support it all. I just meant that like we leave they come back so they would probably be overthrown. And the mass destruction weapons wernt found but weapons of destruction were found like 2000 pound bombs which to me are pretty mass like.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
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Journeyman, I won't start any political threads. I will chime in if one is started, but I wouldn't have dug this up...lol.
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Intelligent political threads are welcome Darth. As Mods we try to read through every thread... trust me I'd much rather read folks political views than some of the goofy posts we sometimes see in the Aquarium.

 

[renogaw]

I dont think you liked my Fried Chicken video post...

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Intelligent political threads are welcome Darth. As Mods we try to read through every thread... trust me I'd much rather read folks political views than some of the goofy posts we sometimes see in the Aquarium.

Come on Journeyman...You know how into politics I am. And you just openned the door for me? Of course Your "intelligent political thread" comment I take as a compliment.

 

[reefreak29]

i think it would be rediculuse to leave at this point , the demecrates would love for us to leave now under bush so they dont look bad when a democrate is are next president witch is very selfish thinking about themselves and not the troops..just goes to show ya

 

[crimzy]

How do all of you war-mongers feel about the situation in Iran? I'm not going to get back into all of the lies and propoganda that were used to rally support for the Iraq war. But now that there is a much more dire situation going on in Iran and we've painted ourselves into a corner. So our choices are as follows:
(1) stay consistent with our "principles" and invade Iran... while we're at it, why don't we just declare war on the entire region. This ought to make us all much safer, right.... not to mention the thousands of young Americans that will be lost, (many of whom don't want to be there but the military is their best way to support their families).
Our other option is
(2) do not go into Iran.... ignore their nuclear capabilities, take a hypocritical international policy and further prove that Bush had his own ulterior motives for the war in Iraq.
I wish I could stay in front of the computer to see any responses but I have to leave now... I'll check back later to see what the Bush-lovers have to say.

 

[reefreak29]

i suppose your right when people come on to are soil and kill us by the thousands we should just say oh well and cower

 

[darthtang aw]

reefreak, they are not the same situation. Crimzy, I will give you a detailed answer tomorrow.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by crimzy
How do all of you war-mongers feel about the situation in Iran? I'm not going to get back into all of the lies and propoganda that were used to rally support for the Iraq war. But now that there is a much more dire situation going on in Iran and we've painted ourselves into a corner. So our choices are as follows:
(1) stay consistent with our "principles" and invade Iran... while we're at it, why don't we just declare war on the entire region. This ought to make us all much safer, right.... not to mention the thousands of young Americans that will be lost, (many of whom don't want to be there but the military is their best way to support their families).
Our other option is
(2) do not go into Iran.... ignore their nuclear capabilities, take a hypocritical international policy and further prove that Bush had his own ulterior motives for the war in Iraq.
I wish I could stay in front of the computer to see any responses but I have to leave now... I'll check back later to see what the Bush-lovers have to say.

Actually Iran could be solved very simply. They at the moment currently only have one facility that has the centrifuge needed to produce nuclear capable weapons. While I believe they aren't as close as many think to gaining this ability, it is a concern.
The leader of this country is a nutcase...far worse than Hussein. Hussein may have been evil but he wasn't ignorant. The leader of Iran has made statements such as the Holocaust never occurred and that all Jews should be killed. Pretty plain and simple. While Hussein made his comments at the Israeli government he didn't single out a race of people on a regular basis as the Iranian leader does. So that right there shows this guy to be a bigger potential problem. But that is the key here. Potential problem. He doesn't have the weapon yet nor the fortitude to start a war (unlike Hussein).
So what do we do? Simple one surgical strike at the nuclear facility will end it all. Similar to what the Isrealis did to Iraq's nuclear facility in the early 1980s.
I mean really, we have no need to start a war with them...

 

[beth]

So, would be totally rude if I hijack the thread and says that the French leadership is up for election and the candidates are a pro-American conservative vs an anti-American liberal? I think that election could be decisive for us in many ways, especially if they go with the pro-American candidate. The election is tomorrow.

 

[dogstar]

Beth, I really dont follow the French but could you define Pro and Anti-American of the French candidates?
Or is it more like Pro and Anti '' the war '' or '' Bush '' or '' Congress '' or '' American people '' something else ?

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Beth
So, would be totally rude if I hijack the thread and says that the French leadership is up for election and the candidates are a pro-American conservative vs an anti-American liberal? I think that election could be decisive for us in many ways, especially if they go with the pro-American candidate. The election is tomorrow.
I've been mildly watching that as well.
Remember that France has a large, radical, muslim population. Was it just a year ago that they had a couple of weeks worth of riots in the suburbs of

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[1journeyman]

If we can prove Iran has been supporting insurgent attacks then I feel they've declared war on us by default.
I've argued this over and over, but we went to war with Iraq for many reasons, not just WMDs. Had Saddam not stonewalled the inspectors, not kept attacking allied pilots in the no fly zone, and not kept supporting terrorists in Israel he'd sadly probably be alive today.
27 million people have a shot at Democracy in a region almost devoid of it. I think that's worth fighting for.
6 of my former students are in Iraq or Kuwait right now. Every one of them is proud to be there. Every one of them signed up for the military because they wanted to serve, not because they had families to support. All of them had the finances to go to college had they wanted to.

 

[triga22]

Originally Posted by Beth
So, would be totally rude if I hijack the thread and says that the French leadership is up for election and the candidates are a pro-American conservative vs an anti-American liberal? I think that election could be decisive for us in many ways, especially if they go with the pro-American candidate. The election is tomorrow.
Dont worry about the french I dont think that they even have weapons. We helped the out in WW. I think french fries should be freedom fries.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by TriGa22
Dont worry about the french I dont think that they even have weapons. We helped the out in WW. I think french fries should be freedom fries.
Like it or not, the French have a lot of say in European opinion. A more Pro American viewpoint could help us. Remember France is in NATO.

 

[triga22]

I know I was just kidding around.

 

[ophiura]

Originally Posted by Beth
So, would be totally rude if I hijack the thread and says that the French leadership is up for election and the candidates are a pro-American conservative vs an anti-American liberal? I think that election could be decisive for us in many ways, especially if they go with the pro-American candidate. The election is tomorrow.

Make no mistake - not a liberal - a downright socialist.

 

[darthtang aw]

I actually can sympathize with some of France's stance on world politics today. With half their population Muslim they walk a fine line. Ophuria has hit it on the head...The "liberal" guy is a full blown socialist. The other guys isn't "pro-bush" but Pro-working more with america and realizes the danger of radical islam with regards to his own country. Make no mistake this elkection is very crucial to how the world will deal with Iran. I would even go as far to say it is more critical than our own upcoming presidential election.
France holds veto power in the U.N. a Pro-American president will actually help us force the U.N. to become a credible "government" and body again.
The EU (mainly France) is finding out now how badly their immigration policy of the past has hindered their abilities to operate in the world market. The Riots in France were a real eye opener for the people their and in a sad way a blessing for us.

 

[beth]

I agree, Darth. The election in France could make major differences in our Euro relationships right now, and that has major impact on many, many levels. Lets hope, hope, hope the right guy wins. Socialism is sliding into the mud pile on may levels (snail paced slow, granted), and the Euros are finally starting to see that. Even China is starting to have just a smidgen of liking of the evil

capitalistic way of doing things.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by crimzy
This ought to make us all much safer, right.... not to mention the thousands of young Americans that will be lost, (many of whom don't want to be there but the military is their best way to support their families).

This statement bothered me. This here is the typical blanket statement made by politician's opposed to the war. Yet there is no factual basis to this. First and foremost, most military personnel join the military when they are single. So family is not the major consideration for their initial enlistment.
Secondly the average on the ground soldier that is enlisted (not officer rank as that requires prior education and shows money wasn't an issue) makes an average of 1600 dollars per month.
This is the equivalent to working a forty hour work week at 10 dollars an hour. Now we all know (or I hope you know) Our military personnel put in far more than 40 hours a week. So essentially an infdividual could get a 7.50 an hour job, work 50 hours a week and make the same pay. SO it is NOT because they couldn't find a monetary job making the equivalent to feed and take care of their families. Most places hire at 7.50 now....so don't spew this leftist, loony, blanket statement anymore. It is completely false and has no factual basis to go off of.