Nope. Not Torture.
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mantisman51
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Your mother is the target of assasins and they have killed several others. One of them is captured, but you don't know where she is or when they are going to catch her and cut her head off-alive. The genial questioning brings a simple "F*** you". Do you a) Let him go to show the rest of the assasins you mean no harm? b) Place him in jail to await a trial? c) Strap him to a table to find out where and when they intend to carry out the killing of your mother?
meowzer
Moderator
LOL...I vote for the table...
OK I'M DONE
NO I'M NOT...I thought we should have blown up IRAQ from the beginning
and do not even tell me with all the tech we have we can not fine Bin ladin....i think we should put all the "terrorists" in staircases that are on fire, and let them burn alive..and then let the building fall on them...and let them freaking suffocate as other people risk their lives trying to save them
OK...now I am done
OK I'M DONE
NO I'M NOT...I thought we should have blown up IRAQ from the beginning
and do not even tell me with all the tech we have we can not fine Bin ladin....i think we should put all the "terrorists" in staircases that are on fire, and let them burn alive..and then let the building fall on them...and let them freaking suffocate as other people risk their lives trying to save them
OK...now I am done
coral keeper
Active Member
Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3048838
LOL...I vote for the table...
OK I'M DONE
NO I'M NOT...I thought we should have blown up IRAQ from the beginning
and do not even tell me with all the tech we have we can not fine Bin ladin....i think we should put all the "terrorists" in staircases that are on fire, and let them burn alive..and then let the building fall on them...and let them freaking suffocate as other people risk their lives trying to save them
OK...now I am done
If the USA REALLY wanted to find Bin ladin and kill all the terrorists they would be LONG gone by now...
http:///forum/post/3048838
LOL...I vote for the table...
OK I'M DONE
NO I'M NOT...I thought we should have blown up IRAQ from the beginning
and do not even tell me with all the tech we have we can not fine Bin ladin....i think we should put all the "terrorists" in staircases that are on fire, and let them burn alive..and then let the building fall on them...and let them freaking suffocate as other people risk their lives trying to save them
OK...now I am done
If the USA REALLY wanted to find Bin ladin and kill all the terrorists they would be LONG gone by now...
reefraff
Active Member
Did he suffer physical damage? As far as I am concerned it isn't torture. But lets assume it is for a moment. These people follow no recognized rules of engagement anyway. I say cut loose on them with a belt sander and a blow torch.
In all honesty if I commanded a military unit my instructions would be to not take prisoners if possible. If someone drops their weapon and has their hands in the air you are kinda stuck but other than that just exterminate them.
In all honesty if I commanded a military unit my instructions would be to not take prisoners if possible. If someone drops their weapon and has their hands in the air you are kinda stuck but other than that just exterminate them.
cranberry
Active Member
Wha? Are we suppose to ask them nicely?
We even got in trouble when we piled a bunch of nakeds in a pile and laughed at them.... they cut off our people's head on camera.... civilians..... how does a family member get over that EVER. I would have been the chick in the pic who was pointing and laughing... remember that one that got in trouble. Yes siree, that would have been me.
We even got in trouble when we piled a bunch of nakeds in a pile and laughed at them.... they cut off our people's head on camera.... civilians..... how does a family member get over that EVER. I would have been the chick in the pic who was pointing and laughing... remember that one that got in trouble. Yes siree, that would have been me.
oscardeuce
Active Member
You're strapped in a chair, it's pitch dark, you struggle to escape your bindings. Suddenly you feel the cold of water at your feet. The water relentlessly rises, you struggle for your last breath.
Are you in Gitmo?
Nope, you just took a ride with Ted Kennedy.
Torture is having your arms twisted out of joint, and injuries and fractures ignored.
John McCain was tortured
Torture is being captured, killed, and your body mutilated and hung for all to see from a bridge in Fallujah
Tourture is having your head brutally sawed off while you are screaming, begging for your life.
Nick Berg and others were tortured. They even released a video. We did not become enraged, we did not demand retribution for the deaths of the Nick Bergs.
Why?
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twister is not torture, it's a frat prank.
Having a wet blanket thrown over your head in a controlled method apparently isn't torture until Nancy Pelosi lies it is.
Are you in Gitmo?
Nope, you just took a ride with Ted Kennedy.
Torture is having your arms twisted out of joint, and injuries and fractures ignored.
John McCain was tortured
Torture is being captured, killed, and your body mutilated and hung for all to see from a bridge in Fallujah
Tourture is having your head brutally sawed off while you are screaming, begging for your life.
Nick Berg and others were tortured. They even released a video. We did not become enraged, we did not demand retribution for the deaths of the Nick Bergs.
Why?
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twister is not torture, it's a frat prank.
Having a wet blanket thrown over your head in a controlled method apparently isn't torture until Nancy Pelosi lies it is.
veni vidi vici
Active Member
Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3048995
You're strapped in a chair, it's pitch dark, you struggle to escape your bindings. Suddenly you feel the cold of water at your feet. The water relentlessly raises, you struggle for your last breath.
Are you in Gitmo?
Nope, you just took a ride with Ted Kennedy.
Torture is having your arms twisted out of joint, and injuries and fractures ignored.
John McCain was tortured
Torture is being captured, killed, and your body mutilated and hung for all to see from a bridge in Fallujah
Tourture is having your head brutally sawed off while you are screaming, begging for your life.
Nick Berg and others were tortured. They even released a video. We did not become enraged, we did not demand retribution for the deaths of the Nick Bergs.
Why?
Playing
[hr]
twister is not torture, it's a frat prank.
Having a wet blanket thrown over your head in a controlled method apparently isn't torture until Nancy Pelosi lies it is.
http:///forum/post/3048995
You're strapped in a chair, it's pitch dark, you struggle to escape your bindings. Suddenly you feel the cold of water at your feet. The water relentlessly raises, you struggle for your last breath.
Are you in Gitmo?
Nope, you just took a ride with Ted Kennedy.
Torture is having your arms twisted out of joint, and injuries and fractures ignored.
John McCain was tortured
Torture is being captured, killed, and your body mutilated and hung for all to see from a bridge in Fallujah
Tourture is having your head brutally sawed off while you are screaming, begging for your life.
Nick Berg and others were tortured. They even released a video. We did not become enraged, we did not demand retribution for the deaths of the Nick Bergs.
Why?
Playing
[hr]
twister is not torture, it's a frat prank.
Having a wet blanket thrown over your head in a controlled method apparently isn't torture until Nancy Pelosi lies it is.
mantisman51
Active Member
John F Kennedy said, "Moderation in defense of liberty is no virtue. Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice." Please let me paraphrase:" Moderation in defense of liberty is COWARDICE and you don't deserve the liberty you have been blessed with."
salty blues
Active Member
But golly gee, if we're like...nice to the mean ol' terrorists, won't they be nice to us? Shucks!
lion_crazz
Active Member
The problem I have with waterboarding and other torture is all the people that are wrongly accused and get tortured. Look at the stories of Maher Arar and Sgt. Erik Sarr. Arar was a canadian who was rendered to Syria and tortured for two years in their prison and was only let free after the Canadian government persisted for his release. Erik Sarr was serving as a prisoner in a training drill and the guards thought he was a real prisoner, so they beat him so badly that he had to spend 48 days in a military hospital. And if waterboarding was such an effective tool, why did Khalid Muhammed have to get waterboarded 183 times in one month?
If our country didn't have some of the crooked people that it did, I would be a lot more willing to trust our government and do what it needs to do. The harsh reality is that there are a lot of politicians and military men who will lie and follow orders, even though they know something is wrong.
If our country didn't have some of the crooked people that it did, I would be a lot more willing to trust our government and do what it needs to do. The harsh reality is that there are a lot of politicians and military men who will lie and follow orders, even though they know something is wrong.
mantisman51
Active Member
I understand and share your concern for the innocent who may have had such things happen. However, if I were one of those two, I would rather be water-boarded or made to stand up for 8 hours by the Americans than whatever our enemies would do to us. I think the main problem today is too many Americans (and our "allies") try to equate the enemy and us. We are, at our worst, still far better than our enemies at their best. There is no moral equivalence between what we fight for and what they fight for. We won't, and haven't, stooped to their level. You see, I trust the men and women wearing our uniform. I am proud of them and I pray for them and know they are doing their best in a bad situation. Too many who call themselves "liberal" mistrust and despise them as tools of the imperial, evil U.S. government. How can an American so mistrust and hate those who put themselves between the bad guys and us? Before you say, "We don't trust the government, not the soldiers." Really? How about Jack Mertha-accusing, proven inoccent, Marines of murder, ---- and torture and alleging that our men were routinely commiting autrocities? How about Obama saying our troops were kicking in the doors of innocent civilians and terrorizing them in the middle of the night? I don't give a !@#* about Bush or the Republicans. I care more about your safety and mine and the rest of the country.
lion_crazz
Active Member
Originally Posted by mantisman51
http:///forum/post/3049342
I understand and share your concern for the innocent who may have had such things happen.However, if I were one of those two, I would rather be water-boarded or made to stand up for 8 hours by the Americans than whatever our enemies would do to us.
The problem is, those are just two of the many wrongly accused and tortured. And as for the last statement, there is no way that while I am being tortured, I am "thankful" that it is being done to me by an American. No way..
Originally Posted by mantisman51
http:///forum/post/3049342
You see, I trust the men and women wearing our uniform. I am proud of them and I pray for them and know they are doing their best in a bad situation.
No doubt about it. They are braver than anybody else and they deserve all the credit in the world. They don't deserve a lot of the things that they are put through.
http:///forum/post/3049342
I understand and share your concern for the innocent who may have had such things happen.However, if I were one of those two, I would rather be water-boarded or made to stand up for 8 hours by the Americans than whatever our enemies would do to us.
The problem is, those are just two of the many wrongly accused and tortured. And as for the last statement, there is no way that while I am being tortured, I am "thankful" that it is being done to me by an American. No way..
Originally Posted by mantisman51
http:///forum/post/3049342
You see, I trust the men and women wearing our uniform. I am proud of them and I pray for them and know they are doing their best in a bad situation.
No doubt about it. They are braver than anybody else and they deserve all the credit in the world. They don't deserve a lot of the things that they are put through.
veni vidi vici
Active Member
Originally Posted by lion_crazz
http:///forum/post/3049305
why did Khalid Muhammed have to get waterboarded 183 times in one month?
Just to clarify that number.That is how many times water hit his face not sessions. i think he was only water boarded a handful of times.
On a personal note i would have let him keep the info stuck his head in the toilet,closed the lid and made Rosie O'Donnell sit on it until he was dead.
I personally dont care how we get the info weather it be negative or positive procedures he should be dead after he sang and we wouldnt be arguing on where he will spend the rest of his life. He/They are evil savages and should be put down.
http:///forum/post/3049305
why did Khalid Muhammed have to get waterboarded 183 times in one month?
Just to clarify that number.That is how many times water hit his face not sessions. i think he was only water boarded a handful of times.
On a personal note i would have let him keep the info stuck his head in the toilet,closed the lid and made Rosie O'Donnell sit on it until he was dead.
I personally dont care how we get the info weather it be negative or positive procedures he should be dead after he sang and we wouldnt be arguing on where he will spend the rest of his life. He/They are evil savages and should be put down.
ironeagle2006
Active Member
Here is my idea to get the info. Take a Muslim woman that has been beaten by her HUSBAND. Give her an old field telephone. You know the type the old HAND CRANKED MODEL. Well you take the leads from that and hook them up to the private parts of the terrorist you want to question. If he refuses to answer the question you tell the woman hey can you turn that handle 5 times. I eat you that man would be singing after about the 3 turn of the handle and would not stop. She on the other hand would be going hey can I TAKE THIS HOME I NEED THIS THERE SHOW ME HOW TO HOOK THIS UP.
uneverno
Active Member
So, efficacy of the methodology notwithstanding (and that is arguable at best), let's play with this hypothetical circumstance:
The person in our posession who has the pertinent information about the imminent death of my mother at the hands of terrorists is 9yo.
Is waterboarding torture then?
The person in our posession who has the pertinent information about the imminent death of my mother at the hands of terrorists is 9yo.
Is waterboarding torture then?
mjlogan
Member
Alright, so im all for doing whatever it takes to get the information we need. These people dont respond to niceties. But when i start to hear people talk about degradation, and humiliation, i feel like weve gone to far. now dont get me wrong, these people are sick and dont deserve to be treated "well" necessarily. But it seems like everyone is just letting anger get in the way, and that tends to fog the mind. I would like for someone to explain why it is ok to pile them up, and laugh at them, what is that accomplishing?
cranberry
Active Member
It's breaking them down.....
Of course, all I type is IMO... I don't ask for anyone to adopt my policies, or even understand them.
They would SO be on a box with those little electrotrodes thinking they were about to be zapped.
And what's wrong with a little anger? This is all a fantasy scenario... Of course I'm not over there living it...
Did I mention that if someone keyed my car I would pretty much do the same thing?
Of course, all I type is IMO... I don't ask for anyone to adopt my policies, or even understand them.
They would SO be on a box with those little electrotrodes thinking they were about to be zapped.
And what's wrong with a little anger? This is all a fantasy scenario... Of course I'm not over there living it...
Did I mention that if someone keyed my car I would pretty much do the same thing?
veni vidi vici
Active Member
Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3050101
So, efficacy of the methodology notwithstanding (and that is arguable at best), let's play with this hypothetical circumstance:
The person in our posession who has the pertinent information about the imminent death of my mother at the hands of terrorists is 9yo.
Is waterboarding torture then?
Depends on how much you love your mother and if your willing to go to any length to save her.
http:///forum/post/3050101
So, efficacy of the methodology notwithstanding (and that is arguable at best), let's play with this hypothetical circumstance:
The person in our posession who has the pertinent information about the imminent death of my mother at the hands of terrorists is 9yo.
Is waterboarding torture then?
Depends on how much you love your mother and if your willing to go to any length to save her.