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azonic

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You seem to be the resident photography guru. Can you recommend a good digital camera for taking pictures of our fish tanks? I currently have a Pentax Optio 230 which was supposed to be a good camera but the shots I get are nothing compared to what you get with your camera. I'd like to be able to get clear shots, and I want to be able to have a good zoom on it...i think you called this macro or something? I dunno, anyway enlighten me would you please?
 

ryebread

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There are many features to digital (or film) cameras that will determine to quality output. Your Optio 230 is a decent little camera but quite frankly the MACRO stinks.
MACRO is not the zoom. Macro is the close-focusing capability. For tank shots this is crucial. You will want to find a camera with the ability to focus close. Minimum focusing distance should be anywhere from 0.5" - 5". Not that you will get a half inch away from things in the tank always but, many times you can catch shots of fish right next to the glass.
Zoom range will help for all occasions. All digital cameras will list a lens equivilent to 35mm. Example: 5.0mm-15.0mm (38mm-114mm equivilent to 35mm). In 35mm (standard film) terms, 50mm is equal to the view of the human eye. It is simply multiplication from there..................100mm is 2x the human eye, 200mm is 4x human eye and so on and so forth. Digital cameras however will advertise a 3x optical zoom or 4x optical zoom etc.. This is the zoom range..........if I have a camera that will zoom (equivilent) from 38mm-114mm............114 divided by 38 equals 3, you have a 3x optical zoom.
Optical zoom vs. Digital Zoom - Optical zoom is where the lens is actually moving back and forth away and toward the image sensor...........true zoom. Digital zoom is the point where you have exhausted your optical zoom and you are now multiplying the size of pixels..........the more you zoom in on a pixel, the lower the image quality. Digital Zoom = Poop.
Flash or No flash? Depending on if you use flash or not will determine the way a photo looks as well. If you like the way "no flash" photos look you will have to look at a camera with good ISO EQUIVILENTS. If you want good flash pics..........you may want to splurge for a camera with external flash capabilities. Reflections are a bear with built in flashes on the cameras unless you are very close to the tank (not completely true in all cases). If you have an external flash, you are putting the flash up higher to reduce the chance of getting reflections in your shot. This is the same reason that you may have "red-eye" problems...........flash is too close to the lens and reflects the blood in your retina.
ISO equivilents are more important than most people think. ISO is film speed. ie: 100, 200, 400, etc.. If you have a camera that only shoots an ISO equivilent of 100 (very common), you are not going to get good low lighting shots. You will want a camera with the capability to change to ISO 200, 400, 800, or even higher depending on how high-end you go. Just as with film, the higher the ISO..........the worse the grain gets. It is all a comprimise.......... not quite as good of a grain quality but, you can at least the picture is bright.
Usually the higher-end camera you get.............the better the metering (way the camera reads light off of the subject) system as well as better auto focus systems.
Mega-Pixels are not everything in this world. The amount of pixels a camera has will determine the maximum print output. Somewhat of a good rule to go by is: 2megapixel=5x7, 3megapixel=8x10 however, 4megapixel=better 5x7s and 8x10s:D If you have a high-megapixel camera, it will also leave you room to play with. If you plan to crop a photo you need extra resolution to still get good output from your crop.
Manual Adjustments are a whole other advantage. Many of the cameras simply have automatic adjustments to do everything for you. These can work pretty well in a lot of cases but, the camera does not know what you are trying to achieve. If you have the ability to change exposures by F/STOPs or SHUTTER SPEEDs, you can obtain a multitude of effects. Digital cameras are still cameras and that is how they should be used to get the best results.
f/Stops are one of the most important factors in photography to obtain the correct amount of lighting, as well as controlling depth-of-field and sharpness. f/Stops are another word to measure APERTURES. An aperture is an opening in the lens that controls the amount of light that can reach the film or digital sensor. This amount of light is measured in f/Stops. ie: f/2.8, f/4, f/5.6, f/8, etc.. The smaller the number, the larger the aperture (opening). This enables you to shoot a fast picture since it is letting a lot of light in quickly, however, it also makes for a short depth-of-field. The depth-of-field is the frontmost focused point of the photo to the furthest point of focus in back. If you want to increase the depth-of-field (I often do), you must then start setting the camera to the larger numbers (smaller apertures) and this will give you more area of focus. Confusing.........isn't it?
Shutter Speeds can help you obtain more effects in a different way. If you are trying to stop the action of a fast fish (or race car for that matter), you will have to make sure that your shutter speeds can freeze the frame. Also if you are trying to show speed you may want to slow down the shutter speed a little bit to get a little motion blur on the moving object to give a sense of the speed. It is going to take some practice.............believe me, I have lots of it ahead of me.
I can go on more if you want..........................It all depends on what you are looking to accomplish. Let me know if you have any other questions.
 

ryebread

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Hey Jon- Not a whole lot other than work. I have more to say on the subject but, I need to let my fingers heal a little bit.
 

beth

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So what would you consider a good basic camera for tank pic taking?
 

ryebread

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Basic is a very realative term. Do you want to print the pictures? Are you just looking to use them on the web? I would not recommend a camera that is lower than 2 megapixels just in case you ever want to print something...................even if you just want to print one picture.............you have to have the ability to do so. Nice little camera at a good price right now is the Nikon Coolpix 2000, Macro down to 1.6", 2 mega pixels, $220 at my store.
 

azonic

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Well Rye, my pentax, I paid $320USD for it back in July....Im thinking that price is a little high? I guess that's what I get for shopping at Future Shop. Anywho, I'm looking to sell it and then buy a new one....I figure I can get back $200-$250 of what I paid...plus I got some more cash on hand. What camera would you recommend? Gimme a few options and prices...if you don't mind of course.
 

ryebread

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I added a couple of things to the original post.
Azonic- I am afraid I may have some bad news for ya buddy. We carry the new 3-megapixel version of your Optio 230 called the Optio 330gs..........price, $289.
For a new one I would either recommend a Konica 4-megapixel we carry or a Minolta Dimage F100 (also 4-megapixel). Both are selling at about $479 right now...........not that I am trying to sell you something, just the ones I research on a daily basis.
If you are thinking higher end than that..........let me know.
 

azonic

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I should have mentioned I paid for a 3 year extended warranty on the camera as well...it has a $60 value or something like that...plus I have 2 or 3 flash cards for it.
With regards to the suggestions, thanks I'll check them out. I doubt I'd be able to find one locally.....Im in canada and well my part of canada blows. :) Are these basically an entry level camera or are they in the middle?
 

flyinbrian

Member
wow quite the wealth of info there RYEBREAD
I have recently been getting into photography too and urchased a canon eos rebel G from my buddy back in the summer. Great info for me to play around with.
Sorry to but in hear, but since it is ask the camera Guru here.. I have a question.
I am heading to Mexico in a month and plan to do alot of snorkeling and maybe even some diving. I am going to need a camera for underwater use. Are disposables very good for quality. I am not looking at spending too much. The one dealer has a bonica handy snapper for $125 cnd that can go over a 100 foot depths. this a good one?
any advicve for me?
 

ryebread

Active Member
Is that a secret message to NM Reef?
I will agree that 3x is not a whole lot but, you can get closer with a better macro mode. I have a 3x Nikon at my store that will focus down to 1.6" away giving you a .85 lifesize ratio. What that means is that if I were to compare my actual subject to the size of the subject on my image sensor, the image sensor subject is 85% of the size of the actual real-life object.................did that make any sense? It all depends on how close your subject is to the glass.
This image was shot with a 2x optical zoom camera with a good macro mode.................no cropping.
 

hnf2k

Active Member
do you get better quality by using a good normal camera combined with a scanner?
rye maybe you can help. i have a Pentax SF 10. i think that's the model. it was bought many years ago, at least 7. i think we paid a pretty penny for it back then, somewhere around 7-800 dollars i think. so it should get a decent quality picture right? do you know anything about this camera? i have a scanner that isn't hooked up. would using these 2 as a duo work? or would i get better quality with a digital camera?
 

fusd71

Member
You are definately the camera guru. If I didn't thank you for the advice you previously gave me, sorry and thanks. I am looking at purchasing a FUJI Finepix 3800 for just under 400.00 or the Finepix S602 for 550.00. Don't really know to much about cameras except for what you post. Any suggestions on either of the two or should I go with one of the ones you recommended earlier. (Konica or Minolta) THANK YOU
 

azonic

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sammy - Thats exactly the type of pics I want to be able to get....the ones where you can get right to a single polyp. I've seen shots of ricordia mushrooms that look sooo cool using macro.
 

ryebread

Active Member
Ooooops............forgot.
We carry a few different underwater models that do a decent job. The disposables do pretty good in well light areas. No flash on them usually. SEA and SEA makes some nice models with flashes that can go down a little further than 100'. We carry the MX-5 and the MX-10. MX-5 seems to do the job for our customers.............I will have to check to make sure of the price but, I think it is around $150-$180.
 
Hello Rye, what do you think of the DiMage 5 and 7 from Minolta? Is the macro mode good enough for tank photos? The only digital cameras I can find with a macro mode that will focus under 1"(5" for that matter lol) are made by Nikon. My dad has the Olympus 3000 zoom but we can't seem to make it behave and take good pictures.
Thanks in advance for any reply.
SiF
 
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