Obama’s Science Czar Said a Born Baby ‘Will Ultimately Develop Into a Human Being

uneverno

uneverno

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3098371
"The natural cure for an ill-administration, in a popular or representative constitution, is a change of men."
- ALEXANDER HAMILTON, 1787 .
Some of the founders where not well educated but had some ideas that changed the world for the better.
Alexander had a fine education but the question is was he intelligent?
"Hamilton's own career was terminated prematurely when he was killed in a duel with Aaron Burr in 1804."

I think you're missing my point.
You are correct - education does not = intelligence.
Ability to speak, however does indicate some level of thought. If the speaker cannot complete a sentence, what is the listener supposed to conclude from said incomplete sentence?
In addition, one has to take into account the evolution of English when quoting the Founders. It was a different time, a different language, and a different culture.
So let's change the men.
What are our options, and who determines them?
 
uneverno

uneverno

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Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/3098340
well, you wouldn't give millions of dollars to someone from a candy factory to oversee embryonic tissues...
Of course not.
OTOH, should the FDA commissioner be the former chair of a company which is seeking approval of an experimental drug, a GMO seed, or a bioenhanced animal product?
Would you give any of those to your children?
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3098380
I think you're missing my point.
You are correct - education does not = intelligence.
Ability to speak, however does indicate some level of thought. If the speaker cannot complete a sentence, what is the listener supposed to conclude from said incomplete sentence?
In addition, one has to take into account the evolution of English when quoting the Founders. It was a different time, a different language, and a different culture.
So let's change the men.
What are our options, and who determines them?
I think of dyslexia,stuttering.......Im still not convinced on the thought pattern/speaking ability connection.
As far as quoting the founders is concerned ,it was a different time where the language differed but the ideas,principals,and values are still the same.People have changed the century has changed but freedom is still freedom .The only way we could have been more free is if we had anarchy instead of a republican form of government.
 
geridoc

geridoc

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3098294
No i wont stop viewing the Constitution as perfect.If you dont like it pettition to change it.
Good luck.
BTW i am American before i put any political tag ahead of myself and wont sit,stand idle or remain quiet while the Progressive Liberals,Socialist,Marxist/Communists crackpots try and destroy my country.It works perfect in its purest form and has gotten cluttered with a lot of unnecessary and unconstitutional crap.
Im hoping and watching the people of this great nation speaking up and telling the loons the reside in the USA enough is enough.
We did speak up - it was called an election, and the elected President is pretty much doing what he said he was going to do, so it is working. And, you might consider dropping the labels, since all of those "Progressives Liberals", etc., only really have one name - American. Same for the fascists (oops, sorry, name calling alert!).
 
uneverno

uneverno

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lol - well, those who know me would label me an Anarchist.

I'm just saying, if you look at Ms. Palin's resignation speech (in particular, but among other of her speeches and interviews) it makes absolutely no sense.
What conclusion am I, as a voter, supposed to draw from complete nonsense?
Don't get me wrong, I get the same crap from the D side of the aisle.
Nothing in politics works perfectly, including the Constitution.
And make no mistake about it - Absolutely nothing is permanent - especially when it comes to Democratic forms of government. In 25,000 years of recorded history, Democracy accounts for about 600, and then only locally between Athens, Rome, Poland and Us.
Again, whom should we replace the existing d*bags with - and how would it be better if we did?
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/3098409
We did speak up - it was called an election, and the elected President is pretty much doing what he said he was going to do, so it is working. And, you might consider dropping the labels, since all of those "Progressives Liberals", etc., only really have one name - American. Same for the fascists (oops, sorry, name calling alert!).
Yeah we had an election,and a socialist got elected.So i guess if you voted for him you where either .
A.Fooled "American"
or
B.Are a Socialist"American"
or
C.Didnt vote for the Socialist and are now watching the ---- rolling down hill."Disgruntled fed up American"
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3098410
lol - well, those who know me would label me an Anarchist.

I'm just saying, if you look at Ms. Palin's resignation speech (in particular, but among other of her speeches and interviews) it makes absolutely no sense.
What conclusion am I, as a voter, supposed to draw from complete nonsense?
Don't get me wrong, I get the same crap from the D side of the aisle.
Nothing in politics works perfectly, including the Constitution.
And make no mistake about it - Absolutely nothing is permanent - especially when it comes to Democratic forms of government. In 25,000 years of recorded history, Democracy accounts for about 600, and then only locally between Athens, Rome, Poland and Us.
Again, whom should we replace the existing d*bags with - and how would it be better if we did?
Im not saying if we had a election today i would vote for Palin ,she certainly has some growing to do.But all in all i like her message on domestic issues.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3098318
Wow - easy there tiger. I'm on your side for the most part. I'm a dyed in the wool liberal myself.
I didn't answer the question because it wasn't posed to me.
You're absolutely right, and that's the point I've been trying to make:
Not only does it not matter who's President, but it doesn't matter which side of the aisle they come from.
I'm not venting anger towards Obama. I'm venting anger towards politicians in general. They all spew the same shhhhhhht.
Did I respond to your thread? Sorry. The question was directed at Vici. I doubt he can answer it with any rational answer, but he can give it a shot.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3098313
In a nutshell Bionicarm,ALL of these politicians have lost touch with "Mainstreet"Quit frankly they have no idea what the term really even means and when i here one of them utter that word i cringe.Ive said it before and ill say it again i live on Real Street and they dont know the difference between Real Street and Sesame Street.Most of them are self serving greedy bastages who only care about re-election and squeezing more money out of who ever they can. Corruption and greed is ruining my country and im tired of it.I want elected official who know what the US Constitution says ,agree with it and want to serve "The People" of this nation in office.The Constitution dosent need change ,the people in office need to be changed.
I won't argue with you there. But again, you're venting your anger towards the wrong guy. Obama is the semi-new kid on the block. He just inherited the same greed and corruption you're talking about. He sounds like he wants to change things, but unless he can get cooperation from the Evil Lords of Congress, he's just spinning his wheels. Finding ridiculous claims and conspiracies about Obama will do nothing to change how Big Government works. Making Obama look like a baffoon or trying to discredit what he's trying to accomplish is a waste of time. Unfortunately, changing the guy at the top will not change the outcome of this scenario. You want 'your country' to be how you like it, take the energy you spend vilifying Obama and go attack the morons who are in Congress. Tell your fellow Tea Baggers they're directing their anger in the wrong direction. Start chopping the tree down at the bottom, instead of the top.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3098457
I won't argue with you there. But again, you're venting your anger towards the wrong guy. Obama is the semi-new kid on the block. He just inherited the same greed and corruption you're talking about. He sounds like he wants to change things, but unless he can get cooperation from the Evil Lords of Congress, he's just spinning his wheels. Finding ridiculous claims and conspiracies about Obama will do nothing to change how Big Government works. Making Obama look like a baffoon or trying to discredit what he's trying to accomplish is a waste of time. Unfortunately, changing the guy at the top will not change the outcome of this scenario. You want 'your country' to be how you like it, take the energy you spend vilifying Obama and go attack the morons who are in Congress. Tell your fellow Tea Baggers they're directing their anger in the wrong direction. Start chopping the tree down at the bottom, instead of the top.
No actually im venting anger at the whole bunch and Obama is right at the top of the list.He is leading the rest of the sheep in congress towards a government takeover of private free market America.He also has some very distorted views of liberty and freedom.I also believe he has some deep rooted hatred of the America i know and love.When he said"Change you can believe in" i think he really meant "Transform into something you wont recognize when im done."
I think your going to be very disappointed come 2010 and your lame duck president will be gone in "12"
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3098452
Did I respond to your thread? Sorry. The question was directed at Vici. I doubt he can answer it with any rational answer, but he can give it a shot.
I think your going to have to refresh my memory .If i didnt answer it probably because it was an absurd question. But shoot away if you like.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3098457
. Obama is the semi-new kid on the block. He just inherited the same greed and corruption you're talking about.
Apparently you know nothing about Chicago politics who hes allied with and what goes on in this neck of the world.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3098438
Yeah we had an election,and a socialist got elected.So i guess if you voted for him you where either .
A.Fooled "American"
or
B.Are a Socialist"American"
or
C.Didnt vote for the Socialist and are now watching the ---- rolling down hill."Disgruntled fed up American"
You're listening to Limbaugh and Co. again. You do realize that the bank bail outs and Big Three bailouts are actually capitalism at its best? What did the federal government do in that situation? They provided 'loans' to the companies to allow them to become profitable again. They didn't just GIVE them the money as a present. They LOANED them the money. The conditions of the bailouts stated they had to pay the money back. Some of the banks have actually started doing that. If GM and Chrysler can become solvent and start selling cars again, they have every intention of paying back what they borrowed. It's called an INVESTMENT. Sometimes investments bring profits, sometimes they don't. It's a risk the Federal Government chose to take to try to infuse the economy and keep it from falling further than it did. Was it worth the risk of taking taxpayer's money, and 'investing' it in these companies? That's where you have to let time takes its course. That's the problem with the conservatives. They want immediate results. They expect 'day trader' returns on the investments. Sorry, but when you play the stock market, you have stocks that you can 'flip' and make a quick buck on, and there are some that you have to hold onto before they have a decent rate of return. The bank bailouts and Big Three bailouts would be considered long term investments. Before I pass judgement on that decision, I'm willing to give it a year or so to see how it pans out. Unfortunately, you're too anxious, and don't want to wait that long. You and the Limbaugh's out there have already written that money off.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3098474
I think your going to have to refresh my memory .If i didnt answer it probably because it was an absurd question. But shoot away if you like.
Have your taxes gone up? Has your cost of living gone up? Do groceries cost you more today than they did a year ago? Not for me. I just went on a 4 day/3 night all-inclusive trip to Cancun, including a non-stop flight with my family of four for $2000. The same trip a year ago would've cost me $4500. I'm looking at buying my daughter a BRAND NEW vehicle to replace her beater 2000 Mercury Villager for $6,000, because the Socialist government we live in is giving me $4500 to hand them the keys to a car that NADA values at $1000. I just signed two new contracts that will net me a VERY hefty profit. Yea, ObamaWorld really sucks right now.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3098457
I won't argue with you there. But again, you're venting your anger towards the wrong guy. Obama is the semi-new kid on the block. He just inherited the same greed and corruption you're talking about. He sounds like he wants to change things, but unless he can get cooperation from the Evil Lords of Congress, he's just spinning his wheels. Finding ridiculous claims and conspiracies about Obama will do nothing to change how Big Government works. Making Obama look like a baffoon or trying to discredit what he's trying to accomplish is a waste of time. Unfortunately, changing the guy at the top will not change the outcome of this scenario. You want 'your country' to be how you like it, take the energy you spend vilifying Obama and go attack the morons who are in Congress. Tell your fellow Tea Baggers they're directing their anger in the wrong direction. Start chopping the tree down at the bottom, instead of the top.
He is leading congress essentially. He is not changing anything. He is saying I want a bill on my desk and I will sign it....he is asking for all of this. What country have you been watching?
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3098479
Have your taxes gone up? Has your cost of living gone up? Do groceries cost you more today than they did a year ago? Not for me. I just went on a 4 day/3 night all-inclusive trip to Cancun, including a non-stop flight with my family of four for $2000. The same trip a year ago would've cost me $4500. I'm looking at buying my daughter a BRAND NEW vehicle to replace her beater 2000 Mercury Villager for $6,000, because the Socialist government we live in is giving me $4500 to hand them the keys to a car that NADA values at $1000. I just signed two new contracts that will net me a VERY hefty profit. Yea, ObamaWorld really sucks right now.
This right here is why our civilization is in decline. Take a look at your post and try to figure out what I see. And you have no right to complain about the greedy CEOs any further....I will explain it tomorrow if you or someone else hasn't figured it out tomorrow.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3098476
You're listening to Limbaugh and Co. again. You do realize that the bank bail outs and Big Three bailouts are actually capitalism at its best? What did the federal government do in that situation? They provided 'loans' to the companies to allow them to become profitable again. They didn't just GIVE them the money as a present. They LOANED them the money. The conditions of the bailouts stated they had to pay the money back. Some of the banks have actually started doing that. If GM and Chrysler can become solvent and start selling cars again, they have every intention of paying back what they borrowed. It's called an INVESTMENT. Sometimes investments bring profits, sometimes they don't. It's a risk the Federal Government chose to take to try to infuse the economy and keep it from falling further than it did. Was it worth the risk of taking taxpayer's money, and 'investing' it in these companies? That's where you have to let time takes its course. That's the problem with the conservatives. They want immediate results. They expect 'day trader' returns on the investments. Sorry, but when you play the stock market, you have stocks that you can 'flip' and make a quick buck on, and there are some that you have to hold onto before they have a decent rate of return. The bank bailouts and Big Three bailouts would be considered long term investments. Before I pass judgement on that decision, I'm willing to give it a year or so to see how it pans out. Unfortunately, you're too anxious, and don't want to wait that long. You and the Limbaugh's out there have already written that money off.
WHAT!!!!!You are beyond clueless if this is how you think capitalism works. The federal government should be hands off.Ill even give you some bonus info_Once Unckle Sam intervenes hes there for good.Ill give you a few examples.
Example (a) Illinois has a toll road system that was supposed to be temporary back in the 70's .it was supposed to be for road improvements.HA! im still waiting for the gold plating to go down ....after all how many years should it take.
Example(b)The Illinois Lottery ,proceeds where intended for education.LMAO
Then we have Social Security thats broke.................................................................... on and on and on.
Our government spends to much and instead of cutting back ,they create new taxes.
.......
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3098479
Have your taxes gone up? Has your cost of living gone up? Do groceries cost you more today than they did a year ago? Not for me. I just went on a 4 day/3 night all-inclusive trip to Cancun, including a non-stop flight with my family of four for $2000. The same trip a year ago would've cost me $4500. I'm looking at buying my daughter a BRAND NEW vehicle to replace her beater 2000 Mercury Villager for $6,000, because the Socialist government we live in is giving me $4500 to hand them the keys to a car that NADA values at $1000. I just signed two new contracts that will net me a VERY hefty profit. Yea, ObamaWorld really sucks right now.
In the grand ole state of Illinois the answer to your question is yes,yes ,and yes.And BTW would that $4500 handout your getting be available if you where buying a Ford?
 
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