obama steps in it

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2614425
Forget all that... as long as your avatar references Obama and terrorism in the same breath then it has a much better impact.

What you can't make fun of obama for saying stupid stuff like this, from atlantic magazine which to me is basically vote for me terrorists like me.
Jeffrey Goldberg asked if he was "flummoxed" by the Hamas support?
Obama brilliantly said "It's conceivable that there are those in the Arab world who say to themselves, 'This is a guy who spent some time in the Muslim world, has a middle name of Hussein and appears more worldly and has called for talks with people, and so he's not going to be engaging in the same sort of cowboy diplomacy as George Bush,' and that's something they're hopeful about."
How is my avitar inapproprate based on this comment?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2614343
How many people have died because of our blunders in Iraq... how much money wasted for not having a clear plan going in... and not having an exit strategy... What is our current mission in Iraq? What has it been? When are we going to be ready to get out? What are the benchmarks? When is Iraq going to fund their rebuilding efforts? etc.
Diplomacy saves more lives & $ on both ends than bombing or invading. The 1st step should be to talk to see if differences can be worked out... and we need to talk about realistic visions than idealistic ones.. I believe Obama has can do this... How do you think Bush can if he talks out of both sides... one minute he talks about how he is trying to get a peace treaty .. than the next he says we can't negotiate/talk with terrorist, even though they occupy the gov't.
What makes you think there was/is no clear plan for Iraq? There is always a plan, unfortunatly war is an imperfect endevor.
How many people died as a result of the Democrat's insistance George the first build an arab coalition for Gulf war I? If we would have just went in and cleaned house then Hussein would have been gone.
Clinton/Carter talked to North Korea about their Nuke program, that worked really well

 

[reefraff]

Gads, I had forgot about this
Wed, April 16 2008
By Ellen Wulfhorst
PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - Democratic White House hopeful Barack Obama on Wednesday disagreed with former President Jimmy Carter's overtures toward Hamas, saying he would not talk to the Islamist group until it recognized Israel and renounced terrorism.
The Illinois senator, campaigning in Pennsylvania which holds the next presidential voting contest on Tuesday, told a group of Jewish leaders he has an "unshakable commitment" to help protect Israel from its "bitter enemies."
"That's why I have a fundamental difference with President Carter and disagree with his decision to meet with Hamas," Obama said. "We must not negotiate with a terrorist group intent on Israel's destruction. We should only sit down with Hamas if they renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist and abide by past agreements."
http://www.reuters.com/article/polit...36948020080416
Does it make me a racist to point out the guy is a hypocrite?

 

[reefraff]

A new Obamism
"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," Obama said.
So now he wants to let the rest of the world dictate what we drive, how much we eat and how warm/cool we keep our houses.
Did you catch him whining like a little girl about the ad highlighting his wifes lack of pride about the country? If you put your wife on the trail and she talks about policy issues or says something controversial you better expect the other side to use it.
But I guess it's racist to mention that too

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2614343
Diplomacy saves more lives & $ on both ends than bombing or invading. The 1st step should be to talk to see if differences can be worked out... and we need to talk about realistic visions than idealistic ones.. I believe Obama has can do this... How do you think Bush can if he talks out of both sides... one minute he talks about how he is trying to get a peace treaty .. than the next he says we can't negotiate/talk with terrorist, even though they occupy the gov't.

OK, where and when?
Diplomacy is not begging for your life when you are unarmed and they have a gun to your temple. Diplomacy is when equals talk, both have to give and take, and both sides have something to lose. Taking with people who would be happy to die to kill you is not equals, both with something to lose. Diplomacy backed up with big guns and grim faced warriors works. WWII ended that way ( well, almost different if certain factions within Japan who wanted to fight until either side was decimated won out in the closing days). JFK took us to the brink of war with the Cuban missile crisis, again diplomacy from a position of power and strength. Obama is no JFK.
Obama still wants to talk when he accuses of Bush not talking well enough, and from a position of power. Going to Iran with your hat in your hand will not work.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2614402
Oh man, is this the weekly Obama is a satanist, a communist, a terrorist, a pedophile, a flunky, dropout and a criminal thread.

Let me take a minute and set your minds at ease. Obama is not going to be our next president. Mainstream America will not elect a black president. Mainstream America will not elect a president with any muslim heritage. Mainstream America will not elect a guy with the middle name "Hussein".
As much as people are very threatened by the mere possibility that he will be one of the final two presidential candidates, don't worry about it. You don't have to come here every other day to talk about his communism, his hippocracy, his ties to terrorists, his racist pastor, etc.
Instead of advertising your subconscious tendencies, just trust that you are not alone. Most of this country is not enlightened. Most of this country does not truly believe in equality. Most of this country is controlled more by irrational fears and prejudices than intelligent thought. So instead of the campaign to crucify the guy for one reason or another, take comfort in the fact that you are not alone.

you know, a lot of those comments could be directed at Obama's supporters. you haven't seen any of the other candidates getting 90%+ of one single racial group, have you?

 

[groupergenius]

Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2614402
Oh man, is this the weekly Obama is a satanist, a communist, a terrorist, a pedophile, a flunky, dropout and a criminal thread.

Let me take a minute and set your minds at ease. Obama is not going to be our next president. Mainstream America will not elect a black president. Mainstream America will not elect a president with any muslim heritage. Mainstream America will not elect a guy with the middle name "Hussein".
As much as people are very threatened by the mere possibility that he will be one of the final two presidential candidates, don't worry about it. You don't have to come here every other day to talk about his communism, his hippocracy, his ties to terrorists, his racist pastor, etc.
Instead of advertising your subconscious tendencies, just trust that you are not alone. Most of this country is not enlightened. Most of this country does not truly believe in equality. Most of this country is controlled more by irrational fears and prejudices than intelligent thought. So instead of the campaign to crucify the guy for one reason or another, take comfort in the fact that you are not alone.

Flap your gums about 1000 times criticizing Bush and the Republican Party....but throw it your way and......WWWhhhaaaaa....

For your info. It is not about race with us Republicans. It's policy, beliefs, and experience. The previous administration had...Janet "i may look like a man" Reno and Madeline "all white" Allbright.
I would vote for Condi Rice before any of the 3 we have going now.

Smart, well versed, informed, dedicated, honest, strong, faithfull, and looking out for "our...USA's" best interest.

 

[groupergenius]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2614599
A new Obamism
"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," Obama said.
So now he wants to let the rest of the world dictate what we drive, how much we eat and how warm/cool we keep our houses.
Did you catch him whining like a little girl about the ad highlighting his wifes lack of pride about the country? If you put your wife on the trail and she talks about policy issues or says something controversial you better expect the other side to use it.
But I guess it's racist to mention that too

Reef, just wait. I hear there is a tape of Mrs. Obama spouting in church about evil Whitey.
Let's see how Obamanation crew puts the spin on that one.

 

[salty blues]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2614336
He also should be given a quick History lesson on how we defeated the Soviet Union. It wasn't through unconditional talks, but through a huge increase in our naval power and Pershing Missiles on their doorstep....
Peace via Strength, baby!

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2614696
Flap your gums about 1000 times criticizing Bush and the Republican Party....but throw it your way and......WWWhhhaaaaa....

No joke.
Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2614696
I would vote for Condi Rice before any of the 3 we have going now.

Smart, well versed, informed, dedicated, honest, strong, faithfull, and looking out for "our...USA's" best interest.
And smart enough to not run for prez. That is who we really need.

 

[crimzy]

Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2614696
Flap your gums about 1000 times criticizing Bush and the Republican Party....but throw it your way and......WWWhhhaaaaa....

For your info. It is not about race with us Republicans. It's policy, beliefs, and experience. The previous administration had...Janet "i may look like a man" Reno and Madeline "all white" Allbright.
I would vote for Condi Rice before any of the 3 we have going now.

Smart, well versed, informed, dedicated, honest, strong, faithfull, and looking out for "our...USA's" best interest.

Bush may get a lot of criticism, deservedly so, based on things he has done. But with Obama, it's a full fledged witch hunt. This thread has pretty much no point as it references a single, relatively innocuous statement. What about the last thread, the "Obama's a communist" thread? Yeah, that was really inspired, well thought out and totally rational.

The references to Obama/Osama and him being a friend of the terrorists... nope, no bigotry there. But the "not about race" republicans have followed the charade like sheep. Wait til the next thread claims that Obama has family ties to Hitler... I know I'll see you jump in that one with both feet, Grouper.
And just so this doesn't turn into a truly mind-numbing political party debate, I am not a democrat. I am also not a republican. I prefer to actually use intellect and judgment to make my decisions rather then some arbitrary affiliation. To classify yourself among party lines may make you feel warm and fuzzy but it's really a very closed minded view. Why not think for yourself? Naaah... it's easier to let your political party make your decisions.
BTW, did you hear that Obama attended a black panther rally when he was 13, drove by a crack house when he was 16 and once sat in a plane next to a guy with a turben. Chew on that for a while.

 

[groupergenius]

Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2614842
Bush may get a lot of criticism, deservedly so, based on things he has done. But with Obama, it's a full fledged witch hunt. This thread has pretty much no point as it references a single, relatively innocuous statement. What about the last thread, the "Obama's a communist" thread? Yeah, that was really inspired, well thought out and totally rational.

The references to Obama/Osama and him being a friend of the terrorists... nope, no bigotry there. But the "not about race" republicans have followed the charade like sheep. Wait til the next thread claims that Obama has family ties to Hitler... I know I'll see you jump in that one with both feet, Grouper.
And just so this doesn't turn into a truly mind-numbing political party debate, I am not a democrat. I am also not a republican. I prefer to actually use intellect and judgment to make my decisions rather then some arbitrary affiliation. To classify yourself among party lines may make you feel warm and fuzzy but it's really a very closed minded view. Why not think for yourself? Naaah... it's easier to let your political party make your decisions.
BTW, did you hear that Obama attended a black panther rally when he was 13, drove by a crack house when he was 16 and once sat in a plance next to a guy with a turben. Chew on that for a while.
Funny.

And Obama shouldn't get quite a bit of criticism? Is he trying to be the CEO of Disney,...or the LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD. Heavy burden to bear, my friend.
Counselor, don't get too excited. We aren't even at the closing arguments yet.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2614842
Bush may get a lot of criticism, deservedly so, based on things he has done. But with Obama, it's a full fledged witch hunt. This thread has pretty much no point as it references a single, relatively innocuous statement. What about the last thread, the "Obama's a communist" thread? Yeah, that was really inspired, well thought out and totally rational.

The references to Obama/Osama and him being a friend of the terrorists... nope, no bigotry there. But the "not about race" republicans have followed the charade like sheep. Wait til the next thread claims that Obama has family ties to Hitler... I know I'll see you jump in that one with both feet, Grouper.
And just so this doesn't turn into a truly mind-numbing political party debate, I am not a democrat. I am also not a republican. I prefer to actually use intellect and judgment to make my decisions rather then some arbitrary affiliation. To classify yourself among party lines may make you feel warm and fuzzy but it's really a very closed minded view. Why not think for yourself? Naaah... it's easier to let your political party make your decisions.
BTW, did you hear that Obama attended a black panther rally when he was 13, drove by a crack house when he was 16 and once sat in a plance next to a guy with a turben. Chew on that for a while.
Obama's political career, for those that bother to research it, is full of fodder ripe to be criticized. From his partial birth abortion support, to his failing to support a new-born's right to life, to his gun control and ties to domestic terrorists...
As I recall Crimzy, you had quite a few moderately useless posts yourself on the Communist thread that was locked.
I've yet to see anyone around here jumping up and down with joy in support of the Republican Party. Please correct me if I'm wrong in that. What I have seen are a lot of posts pointing out the inherent flaws in Obama's character, plans, strategy, speeches, and past. What I have seen is many pro Obama posts making wildy biased, uneducated, and factually false statements.
If McCain attended a KKK meeting when he was 13 I'm sure that would be discussed. If McCain had advisors who were in talks with Hamas I'm sure that would be discussed. If McCain attended a church that reprinted Hamas talking points I'm sure that would be discussed. If McCain attended a church that promoted issues like "the White Community" I'm sure that would be discussed. If McCain was in favor of dismantling the Constitution I'm sure that would be discussed. If McCain was in favor of weakening the military, cutting and running, negotiating unconditionally with terrorist states, etc. I'm sure it would all be discussed.
It's easy to say things like "don't think for yourself". It's much harder to back it up. If you disagree with points discussed then by all means let's here it. I for one relish an actual debate regarding Obama with someone willing to research the actual positions and offer a good debate.

 

[1journeyman]

in a related story, didn't someone try to tie President Bush to Hitler not too long ago?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2614699
Reef, just wait. I hear there is a tape of Mrs. Obama spouting in church about evil Whitey.
Let's see how Obamanation crew puts the spin on that one.

Gads I hope not. I feel sorry kinda for her.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2614861
in a related story, didn't someone try to tie President Bush to Hitler not too long ago?
Don't try to inject reality into Obamia. It's fine to attempt to tie Bush to Hitler using 72 degrees of seperation but how dare we biggoted racist goons point out Obama's communist/marxist/socialist ties and support and endorsements he receives from those groups.,

 

[crimzy]

Oh man, the republicans are in a tizzy now. Don't worry guys, you don't have to agree or make any admissions... that's why they call it SUBconscious. I have to tell you guys that I'd probably respect your position a bit more if it wasn't simple regurgitation of the party line. So instead of involving myself in this engaging and intelligent debate over whether Obama killed JFK, I'll probably just watch for a little while then get bored of the repetition. Truly, I'm no shepherd... don't need to stare at sheep all day.
Take this useless thread for example... Obama criticizes the Bush/McCain plan regarding Iran... so the rather illogical conclusion drawn is that Obama must be against diplomacy and is therefore a hypocrit. How can I argue with that logic???

This is not much of a political debate but I'm sure people will go pages and pages repeating the same nonsense that was pretty much covered on page 1. I would liken it to pleasuring yourself with a cheese grater... can be somewhat amusing but generally just painful.
Enjoy your "debate", (term used loosely). I'm waiting until someone comes here with verifiable proof that Jimmy Hoffa is buries in Obama's backyard. Have fun.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2614934
Take this useless thread for example... Obama criticizes the Bush/McCain plan regarding Iran... so the rather illogical conclusion drawn is that Obama must be against diplomacy and is therefore a hypocrit. How can I argue with that logic???

This is not much of a political debate but I'm sure people will go pages and pages repeating the same nonsense that was pretty much covered on page 1. I would liken it to pleasuring yourself with a cheese grater... can be somewhat amusing but generally just painful.
Enjoy your "debate", (term used loosely). I'm waiting until someone comes here with verifiable proof that Jimmy Hoffa is buries in Obama's backyard. Have fun.

I'm not sure how you reached your conclusion, since you are a lawyer and do this professionally and even though I rarely agree with you, you aren't incompetent, so you must just be stiring the pot.

 

[oscardeuce]

Crimzy,
Obama is a socialist. Just look at his platform. He wants to tell us what to drive, eat and what temp to keep our homes. He wants to provide health care, and have every American dependant on the feds for something. He wants a lage central gove't overseeing our daily lives.That's basically the definition of socialism.
I wonder if the same judge who allowed gay marriage "because it is right" will say the same thing about federal health care, or will he look at the 10 Ammendment and follow the Constitution?

 

[turningtim]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2614859
If you disagree with points discussed then by all means let's here it. I for one relish an actual debate regarding Obama with someone willing to research the actual positions and offer a good debate.
Journey, even though I don't agree with about 99% of the time. I do respect that you do back your views very well.
The issue on these threads and the board in general is the total and complete lack of respect for all candidates. When I was in college (minor in Poly Sci) there were ground rules to any discussion. Use proper names and titles (Pres..., Senator..., Secretary...,) were always used and the tenner was always respectful to each side of any debate!
Here this is not the case at all! It actually sickens me to think that people have no respect for the public servants of this country. All of these candidates have done more or have tried to do what they think is right, then total of the people posting on these threads.
These people put themselves out there for what they believe is the good of the country. To have people go complete over board and call a American Senator a terrorist, or a President that is likened to Hitler is unacceptable to me.
Basically it just proves the lack of knowledge on the subject at hand. Name calling is for elementary school not for a political discussion.
The faults that are seen with the candidates are individual views, not facts. What is seen as Senator Obama's flaws some see as strengths. As well as what some see in Senator McCain.
For those who back President Bush the fact still remains he is the least popular President in modern times and history will not be kind to this administration. So those of you are in the minority. I fully believe that whom ever is in the White House come November the current administration will be revealed for good or bad.
And to honestly believe that any candidate is going to turn this country in to a Socialists regime needs to realize that we are not voting for a dictator. If you actually think that Congress, The Supreme court, not to mention the private sector will do if this is the case you don't know this country very well.
I've said enough!
journey if you want a debate thats all well and good but with the less then respectful and consciousness of thought on these threads I will not take part (big deal!)

and honestly I'm very surprised that you do!
stdreb, Sorry but your avy is distasteful and uncalled for. I for one would like for you to change it!
For the record I have yet to decide who I will vote for!
JMHO
Tim