obama steps in it

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by TurningTim
http:///forum/post/2615120
stdreb, Sorry but your avy is distasteful and uncalled for. I for one would like for you to change it!
Why? Everything a candidate says at this point should be prefaces with a "vote for me because." Or "don't vote for the opponent because." I'm simply echoing what obama has said the way I percieve it. Although you are right, i will change it from "like" to "might trust." To fix the misquote.
Jeffrey Goldberg asked if he was "flummoxed" by the Hamas support?
Obama - "It's conceivable that there are those in the Arab world who say to themselves, 'This is a guy who spent some time in the Muslim world, has a middle name of Hussein and appears more worldly and has called for talks with people, and so he's not going to be engaging in the same sort of cowboy diplomacy as George Bush,' and that's something they're hopeful about."
- atlantic magazine
So when I hear obama saying that, I if anything am "helping" obama. By repeating one of his reasons to vote for him.

 

[turningtim]

Here in lies YOUR problem, you confuse the entirety of the ARAB world with Terrorists. Did he solicit Hamas or any other Radical group for support? Has anyone found any evidence that he has in the past or now accepted funds from any one of these groups?
So I would assume you feel that the KKK is a good representation of Christianity in this country?
Yep, the guy with a JD from Harvard is a Socialist Terrorist who magically was voted in to the Senate. Its all a conspiracy, his back round checks have been altered and hidden from everyone!
I don't think you realize the riggers that a person must go through to be a part of the US Government! The facts lie with the agencies that over look these things! The rest is for media fodder and personal OPINION!
Somehow I'm sure journey knows b/c he's going over there as a contractor.
Yes some of this post is just plain silly, Much like your response........

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2615133
Why? Everything a candidate says at this point should be prefaces with a "vote for me because." Or "don't vote for the opponent because." I'm simply echoing what obama has said the way I percieve it. Although you are right, i will change it from "like" to "might trust." To fix the misquote.
Jeffrey Goldberg asked if he was "flummoxed" by the Hamas support?
Obama - "It's conceivable that there are those in the Arab world who say to themselves, 'This is a guy who spent some time in the Muslim world, has a middle name of Hussein and appears more worldly and has called for talks with people, and so he's not going to be engaging in the same sort of cowboy diplomacy as George Bush,' and that's something they're hopeful about."
- atlantic magazine
So when I hear obama saying that, I if anything am "helping" obama. By repeating one of his reasons to vote for him.

looks like I have to change my avatar

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by TurningTim
http:///forum/post/2615263
Here in lies YOUR problem, you confuse the entirety of the ARAB world with Terrorists. Did he solicit Hamas or any other Radical group for support? Has anyone found any evidence that he has in the past or now accepted funds from any one of these groups?
So I would assume you feel that the KKK is a good representation of Christianity in this country?
Yep, the guy with a JD from Harvard is a Socialist Terrorist who magically was voted in to the Senate. Its all a conspiracy, his back round checks have been altered and hidden from everyone!
I don't think you realize the riggers that a person must go through to be a part of the US Government! The facts lie with the agencies that over look these things! The rest is for media fodder and personal OPINION!
Somehow I'm sure journey knows b/c he's going over there as a contractor.
Yes some of this post is just plain silly, Much like your response........
I've never said anything that I feel would indicate that all arabs or muslims are terrorists. You might although it is a significant stretch that obama with his previous comment is sort of implying that, (although I would dissagree that it was his intent) I never said anything of the sort that implies that obama is a "social terrorist."
If you want links, there are some stretches that can be made. My whole contention with obama's as far as him and his pastor and old associates is one of influence. People influence you, and a pastor and his position that American military action is equatable to terrorism is not something I'd want my president listening to from his pastor. I have in now way said Obama consciously holds that belief. But take terrorist off the label and I (as an economist) wouldn't think that label based on his policies would be that far off.
Is most of this silly, yes, no one is going to change their minds. I'm between projects at work so I have nothing better to do. And it is interesting to hear the opposing view, most people at my work are conservatives so I don't see very much if any opposing views unless I watch the news. But I can't discuss anything with the talking heads. Remember this is a message board, the decorum here sadly isn't going to be the quality of a debate class (which was alot of fun btw).
And although the helping comment is a little sarcasm, that is really what he said. It isn't as if I made some racial joke, or insinuated that my grandma was a racist.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2614402
Oh man, is this the weekly Obama is a satanist, a communist, a terrorist, a pedophile, a flunky, dropout and a criminal thread.

Let me take a minute and set your minds at ease. Obama is not going to be our next president. Mainstream America will not elect a black president. Mainstream America will not elect a president with any muslim heritage. Mainstream America will not elect a guy with the middle name "Hussein".
As much as people are very threatened by the mere possibility that he will be one of the final two presidential candidates, don't worry about it. You don't have to come here every other day to talk about his communism, his hippocracy, his ties to terrorists, his racist pastor, etc.
Instead of advertising your subconscious tendencies, just trust that you are not alone. Most of this country is not enlightened. Most of this country does not truly believe in equality. Most of this country is controlled more by irrational fears and prejudices than intelligent thought. So instead of the campaign to crucify the guy for one reason or another, take comfort in the fact that you are not alone.

I questioned the possibility... but now I can't see him loosing... The more we see him along side McCain.. I think his chances grow... McCain can't separate himself from Bush... his comments lately have been ridiculous... Obama needs a strong running mate, and for things in the world to go his way... because yes people are watching... and I think the world believe this will be an administration we can find resolution with.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2615303
I questioned the possibility... but now I can't see him loosing... The more we see him along side McCain.. I think his chances grow... McCain can't separate himself from Bush... his comments lately have been ridiculous... Obama needs a strong running mate, and for things in the world to go his way... because yes people are watching... and I think the world believe this will be an administration we can find resolution with.
The funny thing is that McCain has for the past 8 years tried to break from the republicans.

 

[turningtim]

Senator Obama's quote is "ARAB WORLD" your avy says "TERRORISTS" is that such a jump?
Besides everyone is all worked up over Rev Wright. How big is his congregation? How many people actually follow through with his words? Was there an uprising that I missed in Chicago?
Yet its such a far reach for the currant administration to have ties with big oil, Haloburton, and HIS FATHER starting the conflict in Iraq! Not saying that he was unjust with his actions (President H. Bush) but I would submit that if there was another President in office at the time in stead of his son that we as a country would have been a bit slower to pull the trigger.
Now should we proceed with the ties that Senator McCain has to big money lobbyists being paid by less than savory Governments and Groups? Or his wife not divulging her tax returns? Shouldn't we know where her money is invested? Who she has ties too?
Look I'm not in favor of any party. I have to go with crimzy on that. But the hypocrisy in this election is ridiculous.
Both parties have made their bed and now have to lay in it. I just hope that the American people can somehow wade through all the garbage to get to what is really important.....

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2615304
The funny thing is that McCain has for the past 8 years tried to break from the republicans.
He has voted with Bush more than any other Senator ... has he sold himself?

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by TurningTim
http:///forum/post/2615320
Senator Obama's quote is "ARAB WORLD" your avy says "TERRORISTS" is that such a jump?
The question asked about the hamaas endorsement, (imo terrorists) he turned around and said "arab world"... The whole interview was a discussion on Hamaas and Israel. Read it for yourself.
http://jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.c..._and_hamas.php
What you are picking on me for is the jump he made. Don't get me wrong, making a blanket prejudice statement assuming all arabs or muslims are terrorists is wrong, ignorant and simply stupid. But the reaction you got saying I was over the top was from obama's response not mine. (Unless you want to argue that Hamaas isn't essentially a terrorist organization)
And don't get me started on McCain, lieberman might as well run for the Republicans if McCain can.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2615337
He has voted with Bush more than any other Senator ... has he sold himself?
I'm not sure where you get your numbers from. But remember Bush didn't veto anything till last year. So that may not be the best argument. Although now that I think about it, Obama has only been in the senate for 2 years so. There is little argument that McCain is more conservative than Obama, but to imply McCain (other than his foreign policy) is a mirror of Bush or "a vote for McCain is a vote for a third Bush term" is simply untrue.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2614934
Oh man, the republicans are in a tizzy now. Don't worry guys, you don't have to agree or make any admissions... that's why they call it SUBconscious. I have to tell you guys that I'd probably respect your position a bit more if it wasn't simple regurgitation of the party line. So instead of involving myself in this engaging and intelligent debate over whether Obama killed JFK, I'll probably just watch for a little while then get bored of the repetition. Truly, I'm no shepherd... don't need to stare at sheep all day.
Take this useless thread for example... Obama criticizes the Bush/McCain plan regarding Iran... so the rather illogical conclusion drawn is that Obama must be against diplomacy and is therefore a hypocrit. How can I argue with that logic???

This is not much of a political debate but I'm sure people will go pages and pages repeating the same nonsense that was pretty much covered on page 1. I would liken it to pleasuring yourself with a cheese grater... can be somewhat amusing but generally just painful.
Enjoy your "debate", (term used loosely). I'm waiting until someone comes here with verifiable proof that Jimmy Hoffa is buries in Obama's backyard. Have fun.

Your name pot or kettle? You bounce your gums about people spouting the party line and then refer to the Bush/McCain plan

Yep, that wasn't straight out of the DNC playbook.

 

[crimzy]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2615379
Your name pot or kettle? You bounce your gums about people spouting the party line and then refer to the Bush/McCain plan

Yep, that wasn't straight out of the DNC playbook.
Sometimes in a debate it helps to read the original statement. See "bush/mccain iran policy".

 

[reefraff]

Policy, plan

Linking McCains name with Bushes is the orders from on high to the DNC minions. That is the party line.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2615393
Sometimes in a debate it helps to read the original statement. See "bush/mccain iran policy".

That would be as silly as me saying Oba-mao. As far as a good argument and that is from the presidential contender.

 

[crimzy]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2615403
Policy, plan

Linking McCains name with Bushes is the orders from on high to the DNC minions. That is the party line.

Grasping at straws a bit, huh. Your republican brethren, the OP, used this phrase to initiate this discussion, not me. You may as well delete your asinine posts so you don't look quite so silly.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2615409

Grasping at straws a bit, huh. Your republican brethren, the OP, used this phrase to initiate this discussion, not me. You may as well delete your asinine posts so you don't look quite so silly.

Getting a little snitty aren't you skippy

Must have struck a nerve

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2615356
I'm not sure where you get your numbers from. But remember Bush didn't veto anything till last year. So that may not be the best argument. Although now that I think about it, Obama has only been in the senate for 2 years so. There is little argument that McCain is more conservative than Obama, but to imply McCain (other than his foreign policy) is a mirror of Bush or "a vote for McCain is a vote for a third Bush term" is simply untrue.
It will be a third term... Look at the last 8 years... how can anyone want more of the same? IMO McCain sounds just as foolish as Bush when I hear him speak. As far as a mirror.. we can look at taxes, economy, healthcare, education, etc... I see nothing that shows a clear break from our current admin. which has been a failure.
We can look at issue after issue ...everything from Iraq War...Katrina... Mortgages,Gas, and the multitude of blunders, bad decisions, and lack of over sight we have today. I don't understand how anyone would want more of the same.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2615533
It will be a third term... Look at the last 8 years... how can anyone want more of the same? IMO McCain sounds just as foolish as Bush when I hear him speak. As far as a mirror.. we can look at taxes, economy, healthcare, education, etc... I see nothing that shows a clear break from our current admin. which has been a failure.
We can look at issue after issue ...everything from Iraq War...Katrina... Mortgages,Gas, and the multitude of blunders, bad decisions, and lack of over sight we have today. I don't understand how anyone would want more of the same.
lol katrina?

It would take me a week to walk you through how wrong your previous statement is. But Economy- (from an economist) not bad we still have positive growth.
Education- Worked with democrats Kennedy Wrote the dang bill.
Taxes- my money
Healthcare- I'm not going to address your views that we should nationalize it.
Iraq- Damn, we are winning.
Katrina- Do I remember the parking lot of schoolbusses sunk, while poor people were stuck in the super dome. ( I live in houston I have first hand experience on how Americans handled the issue)
Gas- Didn't double in price till the dems took control of congress...
As for McCain, he was agianst taxes, called them taxcuts for the rich. Sought out democrat leaders to ask what could you offer if I changed parties.
but haven't we argued all these topics in detail before? Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if McCain was another Bush. (minus a few minor problems like spending and caving to democrats on EVERYTHING minus the war) But sadly he isn't. And will never be.

 

[turningtim]

And it would take me the same week to teach you that economics is theory not reality! I doubt very seriously that you or other economists can agree on any one thing. Anybody can twist and spin numbers in their favor. That is a fact.
I won't even make an attempt to go in any other subjects b/c these threads are riddled with opinions based on internet worthless info that are passed off as fact!
I said I wouldn't get sucked in and I did! This is a waste of everyones time.
See ya, I'm done!

 

[groupergenius]

Originally Posted by TurningTim
http:///forum/post/2615572
I said I wouldn't get sucked in and I did! This is a waste of everyones time.
See ya, I'm done!
Sux, don't it?? I keep telling myself the same thing. But it's tough for us strong minded, opinionated folks to just let it go.