Obama to reverse the ban on U.S. Funded Stem Cell Research

veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/2981243
Its all a matter of opinion if it is "killing unborn babies"
For the sake of argument ill rephrase my definition:"Living Human Embryo"
If anything is alive and then deprived of life,what is the definition ?
Snuffed out? Killed? Murdered? Uthenized?
 
jackri

jackri

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I'm sure I slept pretty good in the womb too. I don't remember but I'm positive I was still alive.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Lets break down the definition of" Living Human Embryo".
Living:having life
Human: Man "just to keep the definition short"
Embryo: a vertebrate at any stage of development prior to birth or hatching b: an animal in the early stages of growth and differentiation that are characterized by cleavage, the laying down of fundamental tissues, and the formation of primitive organs and organ systems ; especially : the developing human individual from the time of implantation to the end of the eighth week after conception.
Now take a "vertebrate at any stage of development prior to birth"That is a "Man" that"Has Life" and deprive it of life and call it________? Scientific Research? Uthenized?
 
gypsana

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I am not going to argue either side on these boards. But it is being proven that embryonic stem cells do not work. Your own stem cells are proving to be a promising alternative. Many scientist that left the US to do their test else where have yet to have a successful embryonic stem cell transplant, they are also causing tumors. The scientist that cloned Dolly the sheep even came out with a statement claiming that he has his doubts on the treatment and that it is not based on a moral decision just scientific proof. So that being said do you think our current administration is unaware of this, maybe so but I doubt it. I believe this is an in your face reversal and childish movement on their part. I definitely suggest people should research this if they are in favor of it because it does not appear to work so why continue?
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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The wonderful abortion debate. Those that are pro-choice and feel the government should fund embryonic stem cell research (like we have the money to waste on this, but whatever) I have one question.
If an embryo is not a human child then how can you support charging a man with double homicide if he kills a woman that is pregnant? The supreme court has ruled on this in Roe V Wade and stated an embryo is not a human life basically, yet the Same supreme court will not over turn charges and cases where the criminal is charged with a double homocide. If the embryo is not life how can you go to jail for killing something that is not alive?
 
jackri

jackri

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I watched Idiocrisy (movie don't know if I'm smart enough to spell it right) and I couldn't help comparing the future administration in the movie to the way we're headed. Good thing I live in my own little world for the most part.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/2981196
I am tired of the Christian Right dictating policy in this country. It has nothing to do with morals and everything to do with making the US a leader in science and research again.
There are many, many things that I dont like our tax dollars being used for. Where's my vote on those things?
76% of the country claim some sort of christian religious affiliation. Why shouldn't they have MAJOR influence in the political process?
 
geridoc

geridoc

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The President's executive order will deal only with federal funding for already existing embryo-derived stem cells. During the Bush ban hundreds of lines were generated using private funding, but federally funded researchers were prohibited from using them, even if they did not actually do the primary isolation. Obama's action would only address using the lines. It remains illegal for federally funded researchers to generate embryonic stem cell lines. Under the Dickey-Wicker amendment generation of embryonic stem cells for research in which embryos are destroyed, discarded or knowingly subjected to risk of injury is prohibited. Thus, it will take a act of Congress to rescind that part of the ban.
 
jackri

jackri

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I think a lot of Obama's action lately is to appease his polling data (he likes to take opinion polls first - true sign of a LEADER).
 
jimmy 4

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I think that there are way to many people in this world so I say the more abortions the better......In some cases I think abortions should be manditory. Like if you are on welfare and already have 15 kids. The 16 parents should be aborted in that case.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/2981380
Because Religion has no place in politics
Where do you get right or wrong from without religion?
Lets take out religious laws...
Thou shall not kill...
Thou shall not steal...
I could go on. Quite simply Politics have no place in religion. Religion like it not, was the basis of our founding.
"We are endowed by our CREATOR certain unalienable rights." The whole basis of our secession from Britain was because of rights given to us by God...
How can you then say that religion has no place in government?
 
darknes

darknes

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Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/2981196
I am tired of the Christian Right dictating policy in this country. It has nothing to do with morals and everything to do with making the US a leader in science and research again.
There are many, many things that I dont like our tax dollars being used for. Where's my vote on those things?
So even though the path to cures and discoveries may be morally objectionable, it's ok because the end justifies the means? Why don't we go back to the studies on humans that Hitler's doctors did in the concentration camps? After all, those tests led to several discoveries.
You may be against many things our tax dollars go to, but there's a difference between objecting to them and being morally against them.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by Jimmy 4
http:///forum/post/2981461
I think that there are way to many people in this world so I say the more abortions the better......In some cases I think abortions should be manditory. Like if you are on welfare and already have 15 kids. The 16 parents should be aborted in that case.
HUH? Im not sure i even want you to elaborate on this statement but i would like to see your math equation in action here.
15 children - 16 parents = ????Randomly killing an extra parent?
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Jimmy 4
http:///forum/post/2981461
I think that there are way to many people in this world so I say the more abortions the better......In some cases I think abortions should be manditory. Like if you are on welfare and already have 15 kids. The 16 parents should be aborted in that case.
Who was it that got really offended when I called china the liberal utopia with manditory abortions?
 
jimmy 4

jimmy 4

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2981490
HUH? Im not sure i even want you to elaborate on this statement but i would like to see your math equation in action here.
15 children - 16 parents = ????Randomly killing an extra parent?

1 mother + 15 fathers = common sense
 
jimmy 4

jimmy 4

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2981530
Who was it that got really offended when I called china the liberal utopia with manditory abortions?
It wasn't me. And I was my whole statement was a joke.
As long as we are on the abortion topic, what do you all think of fertility drugs and invetro fertilization. I think that they are worse than abortion. Talk about playing god. If god doesn't want someone to have a baby why should science intervene so they can have 8 babies. I think that adoption would be a better option.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Jimmy 4
http:///forum/post/2981578
It wasn't me. And I was my whole statement was a joke.
As long as we are on the abortion topic, what do you all think of fertility drugs and invetro fertilization. I think that they are worse than abortion. Talk about playing god. If god doesn't want someone to have a baby why should science intervene so they can have 8 babies. I think that adoption would be a better option.
I like science, I think it is stinking cool. So I don't have some of the typical reservations when it comes to figuring out how we work. (like the company out of cali that says it can manipulate what color eyes and hair your kids will have)
But hey, since we don't have any morality (since religion has no place in politics) what difference does it make that the woman had 8 kids artificially with no means of providing for them. And dumping them off at her parents house.
 
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