Obama to reverse the ban on U.S. Funded Stem Cell Research

veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by Jimmy 4
http:///forum/post/2981578
It wasn't me. And I was my whole statement was a joke.
As long as we are on the abortion topic, what do you all think of fertility drugs and invetro fertilization. I think that they are worse than abortion. Talk about playing god. If god doesn't want someone to have a baby why should science intervene so they can have 8 babies. I think that adoption would be a better option.
One would have to believe that science can overcome GOD.And if you believe that then why dosent science solve all the things killing embryos is supposed to be able to solve?
 
geridoc

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2981600
One would have to believe that science can overcome GOD.And if you believe that then why dosent science solve all the things killing embryos is supposed to be able to solve?
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One would have to believe that science can overcome GOD.And if you believe that then why dosent GOD solve all the things killing embryos is supposed to be able to solve?
Not that I believe this argument, but a bad argument is a bad argument, Veni. If you want to be theist about it, then science is just man using his/her God-given intelligence, which must have been given to us for a reason.
 
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veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/2981671
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One would have to believe that science can overcome GOD.And if you believe that then why dosent GOD solve all the things killing embryos is supposed to be able to solve?
Not that I believe this argument, but a bad argument is a bad argument, Veni. If you want to be theist about it, then science is just man using his/her God-given intelligence, which must have been given to us for a reason.
I do have a answer for your questions ,but i dont want to get off track and change this into a religious argument.
Its my opinion that our GOD given intelligence should be used for good things ,great things,but not at the cost of our moral obligations.To protect life save life or improve life by intentionally taking someone elses is not moral IMO
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/2981671
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One would have to believe that science can overcome GOD.And if you believe that then why dosent GOD solve all the things killing embryos is supposed to be able to solve?
Not that I believe this argument, but a bad argument is a bad argument, Veni. If you want to be theist about it, then science is just man using his/her God-given intelligence, which must have been given to us for a reason.
But to follow theist logic, one could point to the tower of babel. Where man was dispersed by God.
 
rslinger

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its about time yeah. bye the way using adut stem cells and such is good also but sciene needs to use both. this is a big deal here in wisconsin. The UW here in madison is one of the biggest stem cell researchers they are saying this changes what they can do in the lab as soon as tomorrow. All they need to do is cure one now uncureable disease and they are winners in my book. this doesnt mean they can grow embroys just for research. embroy farms are still not allowed
 
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Originally Posted by Rslinger
http:///forum/post/2981838
its about time yeah. bye the way using adut stem cells and such is good also but sciene needs to use both. this is a big deal here in wisconsin. The UW here in madison is one of the biggest stem cell researchers they are saying this changes what they can do in the lab as soon as tomorrow. All they need to do is cure one now uncureable disease and they are winners in my book. this doesnt mean they can grow embroys just for research. embroy farms are still not allowed
Its good for them because it releases more federal funds to them but embryonic stem cells have pretty much been problematic and less fruitful then Adult stem cell research.We arent the only country doing this .
 
salty blues

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This issue is fairly simple. The reason so much is being made of embryonic stem cell "research" vs. adult stem cells is so that the pro-death crowd( Obama, Pelosi & their ilk)can keep yet another reason for abortion "rights" to remain as they are.
As has been noted, there has been far more progress with adult cells than with embryonic.
 
coral keeper

coral keeper

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Originally Posted by Jimmy 4
http:///forum/post/2981461
I think that there are way to many people in this world so I say the more abortions the better......
If you really think there are way too many people in this world, please, go jump off of a building and kill yourself.
 
coral keeper

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Also, if you believe in evolution and we being animals, where did right and wrong come from? I don't see a lion in supreme court for killing a elephant.
Why is killing wrong? Isn't it survival of the fittest? Why did killing suddenly become wrong? We have been doing that for a few billion years already haven't we? Why can't some kid go and get 15 girls pregnant? Isn't it survival of the fittest?
In a lion herd there is 1 male with 15+ females.
 
oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2980827
Im am completely against embryonic stem cell research,But i am in favor of umbilical cord and adult stem cell research to be funded by the federal government.
I see no difference from the latter 2 of the 3 options as NASA being funded.It it important research but not at the cost of a unborn child.
Your own cells should be used. No chance of rejection. The problem with embryo stem cells is if they are implaned in you to make a new pancrease, then your body will reject them like any other donated organ.
The real research should be done on harvesting our own cells, and causing them to undergo the differentiation we want. Then there is 0% of rejection. You could grow another arm to replace the one lost.
Then again some yahoo thinks Obama can do it alone due to his immaculatness.
 
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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2982941
Your own cells should be used. No chance of rejection. The problem with embryo stem cells is if they are implaned in you to make a new pancrease, then your body will reject them like any other donated organ.
The real research should be done on harvesting our own cells, and causing them to undergo the differentiation we want. Then there is 0% of rejection. You could grow another arm to replace the one lost.
Then again some yahoo thinks Obama can do it alone due to his immaculatness.
I think Obama is planning on cloning himself so he can run again as Barry Obama and really drive the nail into the coffin.
 
jimmy 4

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Originally Posted by Coral Keeper
http:///forum/post/2982438
Also, if you believe in evolution and we being animals, where did right and wrong come from? I don't see a lion in supreme court for killing a elephant.
Why is killing wrong? Isn't it survival of the fittest? Why did killing suddenly become wrong? We have been doing that for a few billion years already haven't we? Why can't some kid go and get 15 girls pregnant? Isn't it survival of the fittest?
In a lion herd there is 1 male with 15+ females.
lol. You should stick to fawning after alix 2.0. You can't compare our society to the animal kingdom. Evolution and survival of the fittest no longer apply to humans. There is more reverse evolution in society, because all of the intelligent and responsible people only have a few children while all of the idiot "lion people" have several and rely on everyone else to take care of them.
Killing for 2 billion years? lol I would enroll in a different school if I were you.
 
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Originally Posted by Jimmy 4
http:///forum/post/2982998
lol. You should stick to fawning after alix 2.0. You can't compare our society to the animal kingdom. Evolution and survival of the fittest no longer apply to humans. There is more reverse evolution in society, because all of the intelligent and responsible people only have a few children while all of the idiot "lion people" have several and rely on everyone else to take care of them.
Killing for 2 billion years? lol I would enroll in a different school if I were you.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by PEZenfuego
http:///forum/post/2983000
Would God really allow us to kill babies in order to reduce pain in others and lengthen their lives?
As dumb as it sounds, there are a lot of churches that teach something along those lines. Infact they take it a step further and say God sent some calamity so you'll learn a "greater life lesson."
 
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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2983006
As dumb as it sounds, there are a lot of churches that teach something along those lines. Infact they take it a step further and say God sent some calamity so you'll learn a "greater life lesson."

I would say GOD will allow it but dosent send it."Divine Providence"
 
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