Obama To Take Over The Internet!

bionicarm

Active Member
This just proves why we need to just 'clean house' in Washington. Two dufus Senators want to create some cybersecurity emergency 'internet kill switch' that would give Obama the power to "Turn off the Net" by shutting down all private internet networks in case of some terrorist takeover. I sure would like to see exactly how they plan to implement this.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...trol-internet/
 

scsinet

Active Member
Any leader with totalitarian, dictatorial, etc intentions knows that one of the first tactical maneuvers to take is to control communication.
The problem Obama has right now is that the internet is classified as an information network, not a telecommuncations network, which does not give the government nearly the level of regulation (read: control) over it that they want.
If you want to force people into compliance, first you have to control the way they get their information ... or ... more to the point... what information they get.
China... Venezuela...
The folks that say we aren't heading towards socialism... I just don't understand how they don't see it.
 

aquaknight

Active Member
I'm not even sure of the reasoning behind it? "Cyber-terrorism," sure, but as a buzz word what does that mean? Terrorists using the internet to control unmanned attack vehicles? Hacking into financial institutions? What would warrant the need for the entire private internet of the USA to be disconnected?
 

reefraff

Active Member
Just heard today that Obama has been considering a plan to use an executive order to grant Amnesty to illegal aliens. He better time it right cause he'll need all those new votes to stand a chance of being re elected.
I really did try to give the guy the benefit of the doubt after he was elected but less than 30 days in he dashed any hopes I had that he might actually try to run things center left. Now he beginning to make noises that make the right wing conspiracy theory nuts seem credible.
 
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jstdv8

Guest
could you imagine shutting down the internet for even an hour the money that bussienss as a whole would lose. I can't even contemplate the losses. Everything runs through the web these days. i know I'd be screwed at work without it for more than a little while.
Not to mention think of all the saltwater newbies that would go answerless on saltwaterfish.com......
 

scsinet

Active Member
The thing is that anyone who understands the underlying technology behind the Internet would understand how it would be nearly impossible to "shut it down."
Most of the sites we visit every day are either located completely within the US or at least have mirrors (a server that hosts a complete copy of a site... mirrors are usually located in various locations around the world to provide redundancy and faster access times) located here. In other words... shutting down the links between countries would be possible... at least the major ones, but it would be nearly impossible to just "turn it off" within the borders... so many redundant links and connections exist... combined with the government's inability to perform even simple tasks efficiently... I just don't see it happening. Even assuming they could shut down all data flowing across the borders, since most of what we browse every day is within the US, most things would continue to work... remember, the internet all started right here in the US so the core infrastructure is still here... yes, things have spread out into the world, but none of it has actually been removed from the US.
I frankly see this as yet another case of legislators who don't understand technology writing laws for it (read: DMCA).
Even if you shut down all the major OC192, etc links running undersea here and there, you've still got ISDN, POTS, leased fiber, etc crossing the border between here and Canada everywhere... yeah, with the major links shut down it might make communication with parts of the internet beyond our borders nearly inoperable, but there is no easy way to completely cut us off.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
I thought they were going to go the ISP route, there are only a handful of companies that actually run the lines. At least if I were going to shut down the Internet that is how I'd do it. You could basically turn it off to the average user.
If you think about it those transmission lines are already heavily regulated. Setting up a federal backdoor that turns off those base servers should be pretty easy.
 

scsinet

Active Member
IF the ISPs are willing to cooperate.
Also consider that this thing about much of the internet infrastructure being in the US... it would cripple the world economy. If Obama did it, and the international community didn't think he had a good enough reason to, they'd probably consider it an act of war... the political and economical repercussions of such an act are so far reaching... I doubt the lawmakers have really thought this one through.
IMO it would still be pretty difficult, especially when you consider that more and more "non internet services" are running over it now, such as phones, cable TV, etc.
This should really swing the door to the right here... I mean liberals who may support this policy... they may say Obama needs this kind of control, but if you take away their "Entertainment Tonight" and "American Idol"... it's revolution baby!
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Well he got BP to fork over 20 billion. I think he'll be able to arm twist em into giving up control...
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Well he got BP to fork over 20 billion. I think he'll be able to arm twist em into giving up control... Besides you really think Obama cares about the economy. He tried to shut down billions of dollars worth of work in the gulf with his ban of drilling.
 

bionicarm

Active Member

Originally Posted by SCSInet
http:///forum/post/3281466
IF the ISPs are willing to cooperate.
Also consider that this thing about much of the internet infrastructure being in the US... it would cripple the world economy. If Obama did it, and the international community didn't think he had a good enough reason to, they'd probably consider it an act of war... the political and economical repercussions of such an act are so far reaching... I doubt the lawmakers have really thought this one through.
IMO it would still be pretty difficult, especially when you consider that more and more "non internet services" are running over it now, such as phones, cable TV, etc.
This should really swing the door to the right here... I mean liberals who may support this policy... they may say Obama needs this kind of control, but if you take away their "Entertainment Tonight" and "American Idol"... it's revolution baby!
Actually, all he'd have to do is get an agreement with all the major carriers - AT&T, Sprint, etc. They managed pretty much every major T1, Ethernet, ATM, Sonet, and DS3 circuit WORLDWIDE. Got a signal out of your house or business? It's collapses to one of these carriers. Turn off all the respective Central Offices, and you're dead to the world. You are absolutely correct in saying that the entire world has become dependent on Internet services. Want real scary? Maybe Obama is going to announce a new initiative for an automated system called SkyNet
. You will be Terminated...
 

stdreb27

Active Member

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3281492
Actually, all he'd have to do is get an agreement with all the major carriers - AT&T, Sprint, etc. They managed pretty much every major T1, Ethernet, ATM, Sonet, and DS3 circuit WORLDWIDE. Got a signal out of your house or business? It's collapses to one of these carriers. Turn off all the respective Central Offices, and you're dead to the world. You are absolutely correct in saying that the entire world has become dependent on Internet services. Want real scary? Maybe Obama is going to announce a new initiative for an automated system called SkyNet
. You will be Terminated...

Bahahaha. That is some funny stuff. But be careful your skynet joke might give the birthers some ideas...
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by Jstdv8
http:///forum/post/3281335
could you imagine shutting down the internet for even an hour the money that bussienss as a whole would lose. I can't even contemplate the losses. Everything runs through the web these days. i know I'd be screwed at work without it for more than a little while.
Not to mention think of all the saltwater newbies that would go answerless on saltwaterfish.com......

What I think that is the really scary part…shut down the internet and it causes so much trouble for everyone, small businesses…Government…schools…Banks…even hospitals would be affected.
Doesn’t that make for a danger the crazy folks will target?
How can we protect ourselves from that?
WOW..I type too slow..LOL
 
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