One of the Norway "Prisons" that would typically be used to house murders such as the guy from last week...

ironeagle2006

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BTW guess who has the Lowest rate of REPEAT offenders in the Nation. Sherrif Joe and his Tent City Prison with the Chain Gangs Green Baloney No TV and all the Other HARSH Conditons they get. Why because the Guys and Girls know that when they hit his Place they know that they are going to be PUNISHED for what they did and not get a free ride. Oh they do get TV the Weather channel 24 Hrs a day and that is it.
 

reefraff

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LOL! The Norquest comment cracks me up. Could you imagine the chorus of scorched, hair on fire cats on the left if a commentator on FOX had said that? Of course the hypocrites on the left don't hold their own to account for vicious, racist, sexist or homophobic remarks you hear as much or more ofter than you do coming from the right.
 

darthtang aw

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Tangs rule, don't waste your time debating with bionic. This is the guy that wants to cut military retirement pensions....but was against state workers in wisconsin paying in 2% more toward their own pension.
 

tangs rule

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/386959/one-of-the-norway-prisons-that-would-typically-be-used-to-house-murders-such-as-the-guy-from-last-week/20#post_3401659
Tangs rule, don't waste your time debating with bionic. This is the guy that wants to cut military retirement pensions....but was against state workers in wisconsin paying in 2% more toward their own pension.
No worries - I so rarely have the time to waste with libtards, but last nite I had some to piss away....I kinda like throwing their own verbal vomit back at them to see what sticks . . . Sometimes it's just fun to show the galactic level of stupidity that is required to be hard core leftist in 2011. (and it's gonna be harder in 2012)
 

darthtang aw

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No worries - I so rarely have the time to waste with libtards, but last nite I had some to piss away....I kinda like throwing their own verbal vomit back at them to see what sticks . . . Sometimes it's just fun to show the galactic level of stupidity that is required to be hard core leftist in 2011.  (and it's gonna be harder in 2012) 

 
 
He claims to be an independant.........his views though are strong left....never says the president did a bad decision.......everything is still bush's fault......
Darth (rodda rodda) Tang
 

tangs rule

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/386959/one-of-the-norway-prisons-that-would-typically-be-used-to-house-murders-such-as-the-guy-from-last-week/20#post_3401715
He claims to be an independant.........his views though are strong left....never says the president did a bad decision.......everything is still bush's fault......
Darth (rodda rodda) Tang
Heck dude - don't they all claim to be "center", "mainstream", "informed", "independant thinker", bla bla bla.....The only difference between the hardcore libs of today, and the storm-troopers of germany circa 1936 - 1945, is their dress.
But of course WW2 was Bushes fault.........I think WW1 was too, and all that "Arch Duke Ferdinand" crap is just right wing propaganda.......
 

beth

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It would be interesting to know what the rate of repeat offender is in Norway; does this approach have better results then our own concept of hell on earth incarceration.
 

stdreb27

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Quote:
Originally Posted by tangs rule http:///forum/thread/386959/one-of-the-norway-prisons-that-would-typically-be-used-to-house-murders-such-as-the-guy-from-last-week/20#post_3401719
Heck dude - don't they all claim to be "center", "mainstream", "informed", "independant thinker", bla bla bla.....The only difference between the hardcore libs of today, and the storm-troopers of germany circa 1936 - 1945, is their dress.
But of course WW2 was Bushes fault.........I think WW1 was too, and all that "Arch Duke Ferdinand" crap is just right wing propaganda.......
Don't you remember they like to claim that the Bush fortune was amazed thanks to the NAZI's?
 

bionicarm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by tangs rule http:///forum/thread/386959/one-of-the-norway-prisons-that-would-typically-be-used-to-house-murders-such-as-the-guy-from-last-week#post_3401559
"Ironic that this nutjob is a right-wing Christian extremist"
Oh – you mean like Jarrod Laughner (Tucson Shooter) – sorry but he’s a crazy-pissed liberal…..SO you mean like Maj. Nadal Hassan? Nope – a wacko muslim…..So like Joe Stack (Austin IRS plane attack) – nope – another mad Obama supporter, pissed that’d he was gonna have to pay his taxes…Sorry – the only thing these wackos have in common is that they are nuts!
I guess you think the 19 muslims that flew passenger jets into buildings 10 years ago were what genius? "right-wing Christian extremist" - - wrong again – they are all deranged. And so was Tim McVeigh, Charles Manson, and most lately – Casey Anthony. Friggin deranged!
Your open hatred, mistrust, and anger towards Christians and/or "right wingers" is obvious though – but misplaced and sad in the end.

If they had BETTER gun laws in Norway things might have been very different…..If just 1 (one) counselor had access to a little .357, .45, or even a little 9mm – this thing could have ended LONG before the authorities arrived AND LONG before the idiot executed 70+ people. Concealed / open carry of fire arms works! A little shotgun "for snakes & wackos" would have saved lives just as well.
I made factual statements on how left wing thought has attempted to "improve" the prison system further in OUR
country by installing flat screen TV’s, private rooms with small pets, Chef prepared meals, congical visits, weight rooms, "art training", air-conditioning, bla, bla, bla, bla…Sheriff Joe Arpiao runs the correct "correctional facility" by feeding them cold sandwiches with warm water, making them sleep in the heat in tents, No TV, and regular "chain gang" style work detail……THEY ARE CONVICTED PRISONERS/FELONS – why send them to club med style prisons genius??? And YES, the current leader of this country DID sign the release paperwork to transfer 4 Chinese terrorists from club GITMO to the British Isle of Bermuda, where they live in a house with a beach/ocean view – and get ice-cream::
http://crucis-court.blogspot.com/2009/06/obama-dump-four-terrorist-in-bermuda-uk.html
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"Ironic that this nutjob is a right-wing Christian extremist"

>right-wing Christian extremists – Oh, I guess you must be referring to those lovable, fun, happy, & friendly characters over at MSNBC! These are surely the "right wing wacko types your referring to" – cause I find them odd - but they just don’t seem to be real "Christian" though…..Here are some very pleasant, but mostly "R" rated data on that networks MOST prized examples of "tolerance, acceptance, and outright LOVE of fellow man"::
http://james4america.wordpress.com/2010/11/05/olbermann-suspended-indefinitely-without-pay-for-campaign-contributions/ (little Keith in trouble for funneling money to democrat candidates)?

http://youtu.be/Qy8aqtIWWaw (MSNBC fires Keith Olbermann)?


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/msnbc-grover-norquist-was-gringrichs-butt-buddy/ (MSNBC Offends Again, Panelist Calls Grover Norquist ‘Gingrich’s Butt-Buddy’)

http://www.politico.com/blogs/onmedia/0511/MSNBC_suspends_Schultz_for_calling_Ingraham_a_slut.html (MSNBC suspends Ed Schultz for calling Laura Ingraham a sl*t)
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/58098.html (Panelist Mark Halprin calls the president a "d!ck")

I am SO glad that you never hear homophobic/sexist/bigoted/nutjob comments over on this charming network!! I assume these are the type of people you consider "normal, accepting, and balanced" – but when was the last time FOX news had to fire/suspend an anchor/commentator? I wonder, and do fill me in please genius…Most of the "talent" on MSNBC is usually medicated to be between suicidal & homicidal but one missed pill could lead one of them becomming the next big news story....
In the end – I don’t trust MSNBC or Muslims wearing bombs or slitting passengers’ necks to gain control of the airplane…. I don’t trust mothers that kill their children, wackos that shoot people, nut-jobs that blow up buildings or crazy people who proclaim to be God….I don’t discriminate what color you are/religion you follow, or grudge your holding against someone/something – if your planning a mass terror act or just to kill your child – YOU’RE A NUTJOB
Are you on Xanax? If not, you should be...
 

bionicarm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/386959/one-of-the-norway-prisons-that-would-typically-be-used-to-house-murders-such-as-the-guy-from-last-week/20#post_3401715
He claims to be an independant.........his views though are strong left....never says the president did a bad decision.......everything is still bush's fault......
Darth (rodda rodda) Tang
I see Darth is "in the zone" again. Yea, Obama can do no wrong. And you think Reaganomics was a success. If it was, why didn't every other Republican president follow that ideology?
Bionic (It's always Bush's fault) Arm
 

bionicarm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by tangs rule http:///forum/thread/386959/one-of-the-norway-prisons-that-would-typically-be-used-to-house-murders-such-as-the-guy-from-last-week#post_3401559
"Ironic that this nutjob is a right-wing Christian extremist"
Oh – you mean like Jarrod Laughner (Tucson Shooter) – sorry but he’s a crazy-pissed liberal…..SO you mean like Maj. Nadal Hassan? Nope – a wacko muslim…..So like Joe Stack (Austin IRS plane attack) – nope – another mad Obama supporter, pissed that’d he was gonna have to pay his taxes…Sorry – the only thing these wackos have in common is that they are nuts!
I guess you think the 19 muslims that flew passenger jets into buildings 10 years ago were what genius? "right-wing Christian extremist" - - wrong again – they are all deranged. And so was Tim McVeigh, Charles Manson, and most lately – Casey Anthony. Friggin deranged!
Your open hatred, mistrust, and anger towards Christians and/or "right wingers" is obvious though – but misplaced and sad in the end.

If they had BETTER gun laws in Norway things might have been very different…..If just 1 (one) counselor had access to a little .357, .45, or even a little 9mm – this thing could have ended LONG before the authorities arrived AND LONG before the idiot executed 70+ people. Concealed / open carry of fire arms works! A little shotgun "for snakes & wackos" would have saved lives just as well.
I made factual statements on how left wing thought has attempted to "improve" the prison system further in OUR
country by installing flat screen TV’s, private rooms with small pets, Chef prepared meals, congical visits, weight rooms, "art training", air-conditioning, bla, bla, bla, bla…Sheriff Joe Arpiao runs the correct "correctional facility" by feeding them cold sandwiches with warm water, making them sleep in the heat in tents, No TV, and regular "chain gang" style work detail……THEY ARE CONVICTED PRISONERS/FELONS – why send them to club med style prisons genius??? And YES, the current leader of this country DID sign the release paperwork to transfer 4 Chinese terrorists from club GITMO to the British Isle of Bermuda, where they live in a house with a beach/ocean view – and get ice-cream::
http://crucis-court.blogspot.com/2009/06/obama-dump-four-terrorist-in-bermuda-uk.html
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"Ironic that this nutjob is a right-wing Christian extremist"

>right-wing Christian extremists – Oh, I guess you must be referring to those lovable, fun, happy, & friendly characters over at MSNBC! These are surely the "right wing wacko types your referring to" – cause I find them odd - but they just don’t seem to be real "Christian" though…..Here are some very pleasant, but mostly "R" rated data on that networks MOST prized examples of "tolerance, acceptance, and outright LOVE of fellow man"::
http://james4america.wordpress.com/2010/11/05/olbermann-suspended-indefinitely-without-pay-for-campaign-contributions/ (little Keith in trouble for funneling money to democrat candidates)?

http://youtu.be/Qy8aqtIWWaw (MSNBC fires Keith Olbermann)?


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/msnbc-grover-norquist-was-gringrichs-butt-buddy/ (MSNBC Offends Again, Panelist Calls Grover Norquist ‘Gingrich’s Butt-Buddy’)

http://www.politico.com/blogs/onmedia/0511/MSNBC_suspends_Schultz_for_calling_Ingraham_a_slut.html (MSNBC suspends Ed Schultz for calling Laura Ingraham a sl*t)
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/58098.html (Panelist Mark Halprin calls the president a "d!ck")

I am SO glad that you never hear homophobic/sexist/bigoted/nutjob comments over on this charming network!! I assume these are the type of people you consider "normal, accepting, and balanced" – but when was the last time FOX news had to fire/suspend an anchor/commentator? I wonder, and do fill me in please genius…Most of the "talent" on MSNBC is usually medicated to be between suicidal & homicidal but one missed pill could lead one of them becomming the next big news story....
In the end – I don’t trust MSNBC or Muslims wearing bombs or slitting passengers’ necks to gain control of the airplane…. I don’t trust mothers that kill their children, wackos that shoot people, nut-jobs that blow up buildings or crazy people who proclaim to be God….I don’t discriminate what color you are/religion you follow, or grudge your holding against someone/something – if your planning a mass terror act or just to kill your child – YOU’RE A NUTJOB
BTW, if a Norwegian counselor had a gun, all he would do is shoot himself in the foot. There was an off-duty cop on the island, and even he didn't see a need to carry a weapon on some remote island off the coast that was inhabited by a bunch of kids.
When's the last time Fox fired a commentator? Try Glenn Beck. You know, the one who said the kids who were killed in Norway were akin to "Hitler youth"? Talk about a nutjob.
I have no problems with "normal Christians". The one's that keep their religious beliefs to themselves, and don't say that critical decisions in their life happened because "God told them to do it." Christian's who supposedly love their fellow man, but would have no problems "erradicating" all Muslims on the planet (I'm having this discussion with a devout Christian on another forum). When I tasked him to show me physical proof that Jesus actually existed, he wanted me to prove that Pluto existed (I'm guessing if I can't prove that, how can I disagree that Jesus didn't exist?), and of course Jesus was real because of all the pictures there are of him. The majority of responses from him come in the form of Bible scripture, even if they don't pertain to the topic.
Gallop put out a poll that stated 74% of Conservatives, and 54% of Liberals believed in the death penalty. Doesn't seem that large a swing to me. Only left wingers are capable of providing compassionate surroundings for prisoners? So I guess al these Federal prisons that house some of the more reputed "soft crimes" Conservatives don't count? http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/13/best-prisons-cushiest-madoff-personal-finance-lockups_slide_2.html?thisspeed=25000
 

tangs rule

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386959/one-of-the-norway-prisons-that-would-typically-be-used-to-house-murders-such-as-the-guy-from-last-week/20#post_3402039
BTW, if a Norwegian counselor had a gun, all he would do is shoot himself in the foot. There was an off-duty cop on the island, and even he didn't see a need to carry a weapon on some remote island off the coast that was inhabited by a bunch of kids.
When's the last time Fox fired a commentator? Try Glenn Beck. You know, the one who said the kids who were killed in Norway were akin to "Hitler youth"? Talk about a nutjob.
I have no problems with "normal Christians". The one's that keep their religious beliefs to themselves, and don't say that critical decisions in their life happened because "God told them to do it." Christian's who supposedly love their fellow man, but would have no problems "erradicating" all Muslims on the planet (I'm having this discussion with a devout Christian on another forum). When I tasked him to show me physical proof that Jesus actually existed, he wanted me to prove that Pluto existed (I'm guessing if I can't prove that, how can I disagree that Jesus didn't exist?), and of course Jesus was real because of all the pictures there are of him. The majority of responses from him come in the form of Bible scripture, even if they don't pertain to the topic.
Gallop put out a poll that stated 74% of Conservatives, and 54% of Liberals believed in the death penalty. Doesn't seem that large a swing to me. Only left wingers are capable of providing compassionate surroundings for prisoners? So I guess al these Federal prisons that house some of the more reputed "soft crimes" Conservatives don't count? http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/13/best-prisons-cushiest-madoff-personal-finance-lockups_slide_2.html?thisspeed=25000
Response:
(red text) – It’s sad that you automatically assume – foolishly - that someone with some training, and ability with firearms
could only exact a self-inflicted wound. It’s truly pathetic that a sorry, anti-gun neophyte with a perverted outlook would assume that not only should the island in question be void of safely managed weapons, but any "law enforcement" officers there should only be authorized to carry - - what? A flashlight? Some mace? Maybe a little baton? Please visit Juarez Mexico on your next vacation…..with any luck, you’ll not be decapitated by drug-lords
(blue text) - Please check your records – Beck left Fox because the upper management there could only stand so much truth being exposed about George Soros, and the left wing machine…. Prior to Beck arriving at Fox – he had a little show on CNN – for about 2 years…..speaking the truth on that network was/is quite unacceptable, so he wound up with his own 1 hour program on Fox @ 5pm est. During his tenure and growth at Fox, Dominating the 5pm time slot – he exposed the true evil nature of Soros/Obama and their shadow minions on the left, eventually to the point the execs at Fox couldn’t take the heat from the left wing machine. He begins his own "no holds barred" / "the truth will set you free" online network on 9/12/11 (GBTV)….. you will soon wish he only had a 1 hour/day program. How many have been fired/suspended from MSNBC? - remind me, I can only count to 5.
(green text) - Gee – they used to use the same language regarding gays - Now do you like yelling – "Your Christian, You’re here, stay in the closet and don’t pollute the world with your lifestyle"???……happier now? So what if God told someone to put up a cross….What do you care? Ignore it and go on. As far as "eradicating" all Muslims – NO where in the biblical texts in ANY translation (new OR old testament) are mentioned the words "eradicate/kill/force/murder" those who do not believe…it’s more like mentor/show the way/ lead by example/share the word of God/minister. It’s totally up to you to decide to listen or not…The Koran is quite different, when you read that "the ones who refuse "their" holy conversion are infidels", and subject to be killed in the holy name of Allah – that’s a little more radical….And I hold suspect any religion that promises some awkward form of sexual gratification via virgins in an afterlife - that must be rather odd - I mean who really wants to fornicate with a bunch of virgins???? 72 of them no less? No thanks - Goodbye -I'm out.
(black text) - By your own statistics, then the death penalty is a punishment, as observed by those who deserve it AND by the vast majority of society.....The problem with prisons these days is that "punishment" and"re-habilitation" have become the same thing. We have converted a system that used to be miserable and unpleasant and used to deter people from getting involved with, into a system that is comfortable and pleasant......It provides access to 3 meals a day, full air-conditioning/heating, cable TV, satellite TV, laundry is taken care of, recreation provided, free access to library, dental, medical, education, work programs, job programs, access to the outside world thru phone & mail, congical visits, amentiies, perks, time off for "being good" , furlows, etc. etc.... You libs thru the ACLU turned our prisons into "daycare centers" decades ago... When the prison system is tough enough to make hardened criminals want to commit suicide rather than go back - then re-habilitation takes care of itself.
I had to look up Xanex to see what it was, but you seem to be much more familiar with it than I. Please check your dosage
 

bionicarm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by tangs rule http:///forum/thread/386959/one-of-the-norway-prisons-that-would-typically-be-used-to-house-murders-such-as-the-guy-from-last-week/20#post_3402077
Response:
(red text) – It’s sad that you automatically assume – foolishly - that someone with some training, and ability with firearms
could only exact a self-inflicted wound. It’s truly pathetic that a sorry, anti-gun neophyte with a perverted outlook would assume that not only should the island in question be void of safely managed weapons, but any "law enforcement" officers there should only be authorized to carry - - what? A flashlight? Some mace? Maybe a little baton? Please visit Juarez Mexico on your next vacation…..with any luck, you’ll not be decapitated by drug-lords
(blue text) - Please check your records – Beck left Fox because the upper management there could only stand so much truth being exposed about George Soros, and the left wing machine…. Prior to Beck arriving at Fox – he had a little show on CNN – for about 2 years…..speaking the truth on that network was/is quite unacceptable, so he wound up with his own 1 hour program on Fox @ 5pm est. During his tenure and growth at Fox, Dominating the 5pm time slot – he exposed the true evil nature of Soros/Obama and their shadow minions on the left, eventually to the point the execs at Fox couldn’t take the heat from the left wing machine. He begins his own "no holds barred" / "the truth will set you free" online network on 9/12/11 (GBTV)….. you will soon wish he only had a 1 hour/day program. How many have been fired/suspended from MSNBC? - remind me, I can only count to 5.
(green text) - Gee – they used to use the same language regarding gays - Now do you like yelling – "Your Christian, You’re here, stay in the closet and don’t pollute the world with your lifestyle"???……happier now? So what if God told someone to put up a cross….What do you care? Ignore it and go on. As far as "eradicating" all Muslims – NO where in the biblical texts in ANY translation (new OR old testament) are mentioned the words "eradicate/kill/force/murder" those who do not believe…it’s more like mentor/show the way/ lead by example/share the word of God/minister. It’s totally up to you to decide to listen or not…The Koran is quite different, when you read that "the ones who refuse "their" holy conversion are infidels", and subject to be killed in the holy name of Allah – that’s a little more radical….And I hold suspect any religion that promises some awkward form of sexual gratification via virgins in an afterlife - that must be rather odd - I mean who really wants to fornicate with a bunch of virgins???? 72 of them no less? No thanks - Goodbye -I'm out.
(black text) - By your own statistics, then the death penalty is a punishment, as observed by those who deserve it AND by the vast majority of society.....The problem with prisons these days is that "punishment" and"re-habilitation" have become the same thing. We have converted a system that used to be miserable and unpleasant and used to deter people from getting involved with, into a system that is comfortable and pleasant......It provides access to 3 meals a day, full air-conditioning/heating, cable TV, satellite TV, laundry is taken care of, recreation provided, free access to library, dental, medical, education, work programs, job programs, access to the outside world thru phone & mail, congical visits, amentiies, perks, time off for "being good" , furlows, etc. etc.... You libs thru the ACLU turned our prisons into "daycare centers" decades ago... When the prison system is tough enough to make hardened criminals want to commit suicide rather than go back - then re-habilitation takes care of itself.
I had to look up Xanex to see what it was, but you seem to be much more familiar with it than I. Please check your dosage

Seriusly. I've neer seen someone get so riled up over a simple comment. You must be a REAL interesting individual to be around. I sure wouldn't want to get you upset. The word "postal" comes to mind.
Actually, I was in Juarez just last month on business. A couple years ago, I used to actually go shopping and eat at some of the local restaurants before heading back to the US. Not today. They say it's safer to drive around Bagdhad than it is in Juarez. Sad you wish me harm by visiting a place like that.
Also sad you idolize that useless moron Glenn Beck. He's apparently done a Jim Jones on you, and has you brainwashed to believe everything he says. If that's your idea of a hero or mentor, you are in dire need of a reality check.
Most individuals who have concealed weapons permits have not been adequately trained to handle scenarios like the one that occurred in Norway. There are multiple instances of our military servicemen who have been extensively trained prior to being deployed into a combat environment that literally froze when put into the middle of a firefight. It's called human nature. It's one thing to point a gun at some paper target, and another to come face-to-face with another live human being that also has a weapon pointing at you. Mace and bats are no match for a Ruger Mini-14 and Glock semi-automatic pistol that this guy was carrying. Half the people he killed didn't even realie what was going on because he was dressed like a police officer. They initially thought he was the "good guy".
I'd say 95% of the people I know and work with believe and practice some form of religion. Some speak of activities their churches have, and offer events that the public are happy to attend. But that's about the extent of their conversations regarding their religious beliefs. They don't sit around citing Bible verses, or saying God told them to hug a tree that day. Bachmann and Perry are prime examples of religious zealots that also practice politics. If they want to believe God talks to them, that's fine with me. Just don't inject those beliefs into your political decisions. Some Christian beliefs don't coincide with Methodist, Catholic, Lutheran, or Muslim beliefs. No one specific religion should take precedence over another.
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I don't care what the Bible says. This guy on this other forum specifically stated there are approximately 160 million Muslim Jihadist that need to be "irradicated" from this planet. He says their Muslim faith does not belong in America, and they have no business practicing here. He followed this comment with some mundane Bible scripture. Is this your idea of practicing religion?
There are just as many Conservatives that believe in our prison system as there are liberals. Go look where some of these cushy prisons are located, and which political party dominates the state they reside. I don't advocate any prison to be "soft". I AGREE WITH YOU. I'm all for chain gangs, pounding rocks with a hammer, hard labor. Cool Hand Luke comes to mind.
 

reefraff

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Funny how anyone with the ability to put a knot in the lefts panties is branded a moron. I'd have to say at this point 0bama is the most high profile moron on the planet based on how badly he's flubbed this debt ceiling mess.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386959/one-of-the-norway-prisons-that-would-typically-be-used-to-house-murders-such-as-the-guy-from-last-week/20#post_3402107
Funny how anyone with the ability to put a knot in the lefts panties is branded a moron. I'd have to say at this point 0bama is the most high profile moron on the planet based on how badly he's flubbed this debt ceiling mess.
Obama isn't the problem. It's the morons in the Senate and House that can't play together that are causing this debt limit bill debacle. You have Dicator Boehner screaming "Get your asses in line", and throwing a bill at the Senate he knew would never get passed, mainly because of the Balanced Budget Amendment, and he wants to reevaluate the debt limit again in 6 months instead of next year. He couldn't even get all the Republicans and Tea Baggers to go along with it.
Then you have Dictator Reid that says he has his own version, and that's the only bill that will get passed in the Senate. This thing is stuck strictly between party lines. Unless they compromise and come to some agreement, the debt ceiling won't be raised by Tuesday. We've most likely guaranteed our AAA Rating is gone, the stock market will take a dive Monday, and higher interest rates will soon follow. So for the next year and a half or longer, it'll go from "It's Bush's fault" to "It's Obama's fault", when in reality "It's the Boneheads in Congress' fault".
 

mantisman51

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While that's true and all, it's going to be a war of ideologies until the election. The American people are going to have to decide whether they want permanent high unemployment and sky high taxes like Europe or cut all these entitlements and let people keep more of their money. The debt caused by Bush's and Obama's reckless spending will require huge tax increases or huge spending cuts. There's no third choice. The Democrats have followed the LBJ policy of buying votes with social programs. The Republicans have followed the Goldwater policy of smaller government and more business freedom. We've reached the tipping point. Do we become like Europe or go back to being more business oriented. That's the only two paths from here. Now the American people have a clear and unambiguous choice. The question I have is how much has the Kennedy immigration policy of flooding the country with South and Central Asian immigrants going to swing us to the left.
 

reefraff

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386959/one-of-the-norway-prisons-that-would-typically-be-used-to-house-murders-such-as-the-guy-from-last-week/20#post_3402168
Obama isn't the problem. It's the morons in the Senate and House that can't play together that are causing this debt limit bill debacle. You have Dicator Boehner screaming "Get your asses in line", and throwing a bill at the Senate he knew would never get passed, mainly because of the Balanced Budget Amendment, and he wants to reevaluate the debt limit again in 6 months instead of next year. He couldn't even get all the Republicans and Tea Baggers to go along with it.
Then you have Dictator Reid that says he has his own version, and that's the only bill that will get passed in the Senate. This thing is stuck strictly between party lines. Unless they compromise and come to some agreement, the debt ceiling won't be raised by Tuesday. We've most likely guaranteed our AAA Rating is gone, the stock market will take a dive Monday, and higher interest rates will soon follow. So for the next year and a half or longer, it'll go from "It's Bush's fault" to "It's Obama's fault", when in reality "It's the Boneheads in Congress' fault".
And you have king dufsalot who calls for air time on Friday night to address the nation and proceeds to give a pathetic campaign speech rather than lay out his plan, which appears to be voting present at this point. Someone with a little leadership experience would have known how to use the bully pulpit to drive the debate. A community organizer would give a nice speech with the Congressional Budget Office announced "we can't score" ROFLMAO!!!
The left wingers who have absolute control over the Democrat party don't seem to understand what is driving the pressure to lowering our bond rating. The government has to show a willingness to change their spending habits. If they double everyone's tax rates tomorrow and increase the debt limit and our bond rating will still be dropped. Spending has got to be cut and not using Reid's smoke and mirrors scheme with war costs, REAL spending cuts.
Some but not all of the Tea Party people don't understand that you can't snap your fingers and correct a wrong turn that was made two years ago in a single step. Their lack of political BS is a two edged sword. On one hand without their principled stand we would be saddled with the budget 0bama proposed the beginning of the year that would have exploded spending even more than he already has but now that same principled stand is preventing the best deal from being made. If they would get behind Boehner's original deal with 0bama which was 800 billion in tax increases for 3 Trillion in spending cuts Boehner could have shoved it down 0bama's throat. Because they wouldn't support it 0bama was able to blow up the deal by adding 50% more in tax increases to the plan.
Boehner has shown himself to be a true leader over this whole mess, he's the ONLY one being complemented from people on both sides of the isle.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386959/one-of-the-norway-prisons-that-would-typically-be-used-to-house-murders-such-as-the-guy-from-last-week/20#post_3402198
And you have king dufsalot who calls for air time on Friday night to address the nation and proceeds to give a pathetic campaign speech rather than lay out his plan, which appears to be voting present at this point. Someone with a little leadership experience would have known how to use the bully pulpit to drive the debate. A community organizer would give a nice speech with the Congressional Budget Office announced "we can't score" ROFLMAO!!!
The left wingers who have absolute control over the Democrat party don't seem to understand what is driving the pressure to lowering our bond rating. The government has to show a willingness to change their spending habits. If they double everyone's tax rates tomorrow and increase the debt limit and our bond rating will still be dropped. Spending has got to be cut and not using Reid's smoke and mirrors scheme with war costs, REAL spending cuts.
Some but not all of the Tea Party people don't understand that you can't snap your fingers and correct a wrong turn that was made two years ago in a single step. Their lack of political BS is a two edged sword. On one hand without their principled stand we would be saddled with the budget 0bama proposed the beginning of the year that would have exploded spending even more than he already has but now that same principled stand is preventing the best deal from being made. If they would get behind Boehner's original deal with 0bama which was 800 billion in tax increases for 3 Trillion in spending cuts Boehner could have shoved it down 0bama's throat. Because they wouldn't support it 0bama was able to blow up the deal by adding 50% more in tax increases to the plan.
Boehner has shown himself to be a true leader over this whole mess, he's the ONLY one being complemented from people on both sides of the isle.
See you're still drinking the Republican Kool-Aide. Boehner being complimented? I watched Fox the other night, and they were saying if this debt ceiling debacle doesn't get resolved, he'll probably get bounced as Speaker. Boehner's initial "Cut, Cap, and Balanced" bill was sent back to him after the CBO discredited the deficit reduction numbers he proposed. He barely was able to get support from the Tea Party and fellow Republicans to get it passed. This last bill Boehner introduced included a "demand" that the Balanced Budget Amendment had to be PASSED before they would agree to another debt limit increase in 6 months. How the heck do you expect an amendment to the Constitution get passed in a year, much less 6 months? As far as the "extra taxes" Obama wanted, it was $400 billion. You could whack one pork-barrel project to cover that amount.
So now the House voted down Reid's proposal. Like I said, this is partisan politics at its finest. Neither side is willing to bend. Boehner and McConnell were just on, and now they claim it's up to Obama to do something. Why Obama? He can only make recommendations to what should be in the bill. It's up to the House and Senate to actually create the bill to be voted on, then the President can either sign it into law, or veto it. It's the perfect political move. Do nothing, blame Obama, then watch his head roll come 2012. They insist some compromise will occur before Tuesday.
 

darthtang aw

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Why Obama? Because that is what a LEADER does. Reagan did it with a hostile democratic congress, that wasn't keen on a lot of his ideas. But they still worked together. You blanch at reaganomics...but if you look at manufacturing growth and long term job support growth he had a solid record. Came out of a huge recession and had a booming economy well into Bush's third year. Can you name another President who's policies created as much growth for as long since then? The reason we don't go back to that is the country is a bunch of whiners and selfish brats. Tax credits, reduced taxes, entitlements have all taken hold.....and "we" dont want to give those up.
The reason Boehner isn't getting as much support from some republicans and the tea party is this simple aspect. He is compromising. He is actually trying to work between both groups. Your major media isn't reporting this, but your smaller media is. He is trying to meet Obama and the democrats half way. The other republicans and tea party members want bigger cuts, and thus aren't suppotting his bill. The democrats and obama want less cuts and higher taxes. Boehner is gonna kill his political career because he is the only one compromising between everyone....something politics used to be. I love how you bash him with out even knowing why some in his party aren't supporting him. Boehner is doing exactly what YOU have said needs to be done on many occasions. Compromise and work it out.
Obama was elected to LEAD.......and you ask why he should lead?
Darth (Let them default) Tang
 
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