one out of three new fish die?

[vivioo7]

thats what my lfs told me is there any truth to that? i brought home three cardinals last night and one of them is dead this morning. the only thing i can think of would be stress of acclimating or that the other two cardinals maybe picked on him but i think thats a little extreme. what do you guys think?

 

[markeo99]

if you properly aclimate no healthy fish dies overnight
I have 12 fish never lost one all ordered from here of course been over a year now

 

[sepulatian]

Your LFS was giving you an excuse. The cardinal may not have been healthy to begin with. Did you notice bite marks or anything on him?

 

[countryfish]

I had the same problem 2 days ago I bought 3 cardinals and the very next morning I had 2. Both are healthy, but the one DEAD!! I couldn't explain it either

 

[luvmybizz]

I don't really believe this at all, it all depends, but normally if you acclimate correctly and the fish doesn't have ich than it should live...

 

[aquaguy24]

i thought cardinals do better in groups of three or more...species like clowns are the ones that don't do well with three....

 

[sepulatian]

Originally Posted by aquaguy24
http:///forum/post/2676907
i thought cardinals do better in groups of three or more...species like clowns are the ones that don't do well with three....
It depends on what kind of cardinal. There are some, like orangestriped, that do well in groups of 5+. Others are best house singly or in pairs, except in very large tanks.

 

[nemo_66]

well, i dont know why your cardinal died, and im sorry for your loss. but what your LFS said about 1 of three new fish die isnt true. out of the seven fish i purchased, only one of them have died, and that was because of a damsel bullying it to death.

 

[vivioo7]

yea i kind of thought that was an excuse but i didnt know for sure. they are bangaii cardihals. i cant figure out why it died its bothering me. i didnt actually buy them my dad did so it might not have been healthy but i think it should still have lived, the lfs is usually pretty good. i drip acclimated them but only for an hour and a half could that have made such a big difference?

 

[sepulatian]

Originally Posted by vivioo7
http:///forum/post/2677144
yea i kind of thought that was an excuse but i didnt know for sure. they are bangaii cardihals. i cant figure out why it died its bothering me. i didnt actually buy them my dad did so it might not have been healthy but i think it should still have lived, the lfs is usually pretty good. i drip acclimated them but only for an hour and a half could that have made such a big difference?
Unless your water conditions are far from the LFS's, an hour and a half is fine. Bangaii are one of the breeds of cardinal that do not do well in groups except in larger systems. They are usually peaceful at first though. Did you see torn fins or anything like that? I really think the fish was just not healthy to begin with.

 

[vivioo7]

Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2677172
Unless your water conditions are far from the LFS's, an hour and a half is fine. Bangaii are one of the breeds of cardinal that do not do well in groups except in larger systems. They are usually peaceful at first though. Did you see torn fins or anything like that? I really think the fish was just not healthy to begin with.
i didnt give a real thorough check but i didnt notice anything.

 

[srfisher17]

I think more fish are lost in our hobby than many people realize, or want to admit. Just look at everything they go throught to get to your living room. But to claim 1/3 are lost is absurd....maybe that would be a fair statement for *****, but not a reputable dealer.

 

[nemo_66]

Originally Posted by srfisher17
http:///forum/post/2677460
But to claim 1/3 are lost is absurd....maybe that would be a fair statement for *****, but not a reputable dealer.
+1

 

[vivioo7]

i just saw number two layin down gasping and he was healthy so there must be something wrong with my water but i cant think of what it would be

 

[florida joe]

Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2676590
Your LFS was giving you an excuse. The cardinal may not have been healthy to begin with. Did you notice bite marks or anything on him?
Sir Q are bite marks always a sign of impending death on a male

 

[sepulatian]

Originally Posted by vivioo7
http:///forum/post/2677826
i just saw number two layin down gasping and he was healthy so there must be something wrong with my water but i cant think of what it would be
Test your water and post the readings. We will see if we can figure this out for you.
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/2677834
Sir Q are bite marks always a sign of impending death on a male
Oh no, not at all. Many males, such as clowns, routinely take the abuse of their female and seem to rather enjoy it. My female still bites her male. He can't seem to get enough of it though.

 

[florida joe]

Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2677911
Test your water and post the readings. We will see if we can figure this out for you.
Oh no, not at all. Many males, such as clowns, routinely take the abuse of their female and seem to rather enjoy it. My female still bites her male. He can't seem to get enough of it though.
So a bite may in fact be a contributing factor in some cases due to secondary infection. But with the short time line the OP suggested infection would not be the cause of death

 

[sepulatian]

Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/2677931
So a bite may in fact be a contributing factor in some cases due to secondary infection. But with the short time line the OP suggested infection would not be the cause of death
Some bites can be bad enough to cause death overnight. Sometimes fish die from shock after an attack. Secondary infection can happen from bites as bacteria sets in. If no severe bites were present, then I do not think that it was the cause of death here. I don't know if the LFS had these Bangaii together in the tank there or not. They will fight with each other and that can result in death, or the fish that is being chased will hide in the rock work and die. There is no real way of knowing in this case without specific details.

 

[florida joe]

Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2677944
Some bites can be bad enough to cause death overnight. Sometimes fish die from shock after an attack. Secondary infection can happen from bites as bacteria sets in. If no severe bites were present, then I do not think that it was the cause of death here. I don't know if the LFS had these Bangaii together in the tank there or not. They will fight with each other and that can result in death, or the fish that is being chased will hide in the rock work and die. There is no real way of knowing in this case without specific details.
Did not see a specific reference to Banggai, But you are absolutely correct for all their docile looking slow swimming they can in gage in some pretty fierce battles among them self’s

 

[sepulatian]

Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/2677962
Did not see a specific reference to Banggai, But you are absolutely correct for all their docile looking slow swimming they can in gage in some pretty fierce battles among them self’s
They are Bangaii. I asked

Originally Posted by vivioo7
http:///forum/post/2677144
yea i kind of thought that was an excuse but i didnt know for sure. they are bangaii cardihals. i cant figure out why it died its bothering me. i didnt actually buy them my dad did so it might not have been healthy but i think it should still have lived, the lfs is usually pretty good. i drip acclimated them but only for an hour and a half could that have made such a big difference?