One Simple Question. LR Affected By Hypo?

rastaangel

rastaangel

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So after going threw 2 huge parasite outbreaks and losing BOTH of my huge lionfish... All cuz I dont run a QT...
I learned my leason...
1. Always have a QT running...
2. Dont assume someone else can maintain a stable emergency QT...
So I have a simple question... Can a few peice of live rock rubble survive threw hyposalinty? Cuz I am setting up a perm. QT and im going to hypo every new fish I get for 3 weeks...
 
king_neptune

king_neptune

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You don't really want to put LR or LS in a QT.Most are setup with plastic pvc ect, and are taken down when not in use.
I use HOB filters on my QT, beetween that and WC when fish are in it...everything is fine.
But to answer your question, yes. The bacteria will survive, but all the micro fauna and everything else will die.
And I don't know what the long term is, it certainly isn't helpful to the bacteria to keep it under constant stress.
Honestly a far better solution is to set up a QT tank a few days prior to buying a new fish. Having something permanent can just lead to stagnate nasty water. If your not careful by doing proper maintenance, you will have it backfire in your face when you put a fish in it.
Also you really don't want to hypo every new fish you get. Its bad for them to go under hypo.Would you go on a three week drinking binge? Its not lethal...but its bad for your kidneys and liver. Just put them in a QT free of LR and LS and you will interrupt the ICH life cycle. That right there will be enough to observe them individually and should signs of ich arise, you can treat from there while they are in QT.
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Just put them in a QT free of LR and LS and you will interrupt the ICH life cycle.
????????????
 
florida joe

florida joe

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I am assuming the QT has some kind of mechanical filtration that harbors nitrification. I just don’t understand the statement of interrupting the life cycle of ich
 
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jstdv8

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FWIW I treat every new fish with copper for 4 weeks.
I don't beleive in the QT system where you just observe, this does not guarantee anything.
Copper and hypo are not guaranteed either, but as close as you can get)
Also treating for 3 weeks may or may not be a waste of time since the ich life cycle can be as long as 31 days total from the time the cyst drops to when the last tomite dies in the copper/hypo
I do 4 weeks for this reason.
The ich cycle does peak at 7 days though so at three weeks you are lilley to get most of them, but even one cyst that is allowed into the systme can create 200 tomites and then its all over.
 
king_neptune

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Originally Posted by Jstdv8 http:///forum/thread/382271/one-simple-question-lr-affected-by-hypo#post_3335091
The ich cycle does peak at 7 days though so at three weeks you are lilley to get most of them, but even one cyst that is allowed into the systme can create 200 tomites and then its all over.
Exactly, honestly I wish I could find that old article that claimed in labs sometimes they can survive up to 70 days in the free swimming stage.
When I did my battle with the ICH, I separated all my fish from my DT for 70 days. I didnt see it past the first week, but I wasnt taking any chances.
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Originally Posted by King_Neptune http:///forum/thread/382271/one-simple-question-lr-affected-by-hypo#post_3335107
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Originally Posted by florida joe http:///forum/thread/382271/one-simple-question-lr-affected-by-hypo#post_3335058
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Just put them in a QT free of LR and LS and you will interrupt the ICH life cycle.
????????????
I know Joe, you've dissagred with me on this before. But Ive proven it myself, and have been ICH free ever since. Go try it, you can learn a thing or two.
i would love to learn a thing or two from you so why not explain how if i bring a fish home from the LFS and this fish has ich i can brake its life cycle by just placing it in a QT
 
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jstdv8

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Quote:
Originally Posted by King_Neptune http:///forum/thread/382271/one-simple-question-lr-affected-by-hypo#post_3335109
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Originally Posted by Jstdv8 http:///forum/thread/382271/one-simple-question-lr-affected-by-hypo#post_3335091
The ich cycle does peak at 7 days though so at three weeks you are lilley to get most of them, but even one cyst that is allowed into the systme can create 200 tomites and then its all over.
Exactly, honestly I wish I could find that old article that claimed in labs sometimes they can survive up to 70 days in the free swimming stage.
When I did my battle with the ICH, I separated all my fish from my DT for 70 days. I didnt see it past the first week, but I wasnt taking any chances.
only articles i could find that were greater that 28 days in cyst for outside the fish were either in much colder water or they were in freshwater.
It appears to me that at the temps that we keep our reefs at that 28 days is as long as any of these biologists has documented.
 
srfisher17

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Quote:
Originally Posted by florida joe http:///forum/thread/382271/one-simple-question-lr-affected-by-hypo#post_3335125
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Originally Posted by King_Neptune http:///forum/thread/382271/one-simple-question-lr-affected-by-hypo#post_3335107
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Originally Posted by florida joe http:///forum/thread/382271/one-simple-question-lr-affected-by-hypo#post_3335058
Quote:
Just put them in a QT free of LR and LS and you will interrupt the ICH life cycle.
????????????
I know Joe, you've dissagred with me on this before. But Ive proven it myself, and have been ICH free ever since. Go try it, you can learn a thing or two.
i would love to learn a thing or two from you so why not explain how if i bring a fish home from the LFS and this fish has ich i can brake its life cycle by just placing it in a QT
I don't get this either. It sounds like King Neptune is saying that the dormant stage cannot survive without LR or LS. I think this stage can survive anywhere in a QT system. What am I missing?
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Originally Posted by srfisher17 http:///forum/thread/382271/one-simple-question-lr-affected-by-hypo#post_3335181
Quote:
Originally Posted by florida joe http:///forum/thread/382271/one-simple-question-lr-affected-by-hypo#post_3335125
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Originally Posted by King_Neptune http:///forum/thread/382271/one-simple-question-lr-affected-by-hypo#post_3335107
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Originally Posted by florida joe http:///forum/thread/382271/one-simple-question-lr-affected-by-hypo#post_3335058
Quote:
Just put them in a QT free of LR and LS and you will interrupt the ICH life cycle.
????????????
I know Joe, you've dissagred with me on this before. But Ive proven it myself, and have been ICH free ever since. Go try it, you can learn a thing or two.
i would love to learn a thing or two from you so why not explain how if i bring a fish home from the LFS and this fish has ich i can brake its life cycle by just placing it in a QT
I don't get this either. It sounds like King Neptune is saying that the dormant stage cannot survive without LR or LS. I think this stage can survive anywhere in a QT system. What am I missing?
If by dormant you mean its divisional stage yes it can happen anywhere there is sufficient saltwater osmotic pressure differential
 
rastaangel

rastaangel

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I only intend to use the LR until my homemade biofilter is up and running then it will be dryed out then put back into my sump.
And the way I see it, if I put a fish in a QT it could be in there for 3 weeks before it shows anything at the point I might have put it into my DT... why not hypo it right from the get go for 3 weeks then by the time the SG is back at 1.024 it will have been a month then I know 100% that it is parasite free
 
king_neptune

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deejeff442

deejeff442

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i put a few new fish in my qt two weeks ago .two days ago the hippo and sailfin tangs show ich.
i just finished the last water change to 1.009.
hypo does not harm fish short term.
i would copper but i like hypo since i have a bigger 55 gallon qt.if it was a smaller tank for evaporation purposes i would go the copper route.
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Quote:
Originally Posted by King_Neptune http:///forum/thread/382271/one-simple-question-lr-affected-by-hypo#post_3335223
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Originally Posted by mkroher http:///forum/thread/382271/one-simple-question-lr-affected-by-hypo#post_3335075
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Originally Posted by King_Neptune http:///forum/thread/382271/one-simple-question-lr-affected-by-hypo#post_3335040
Just put them in a QT free of LR and LS
... and create an ammonia spike, and poison the fish.
LR and LS arent the only means of filtration for a QT.
I can see this is just going to be another one of those DSB vs. Bare ottom fights.
I withdraw.
please dont withdraw i so want to learn something,
Please expand on your QT tank braking the life cycle of ich
As far as my limited knowledge of the ick parasite goes I only know of a few ways to brake the life cycle of ick that are accepted by the majority of the salt water experts
Using a toxin against them…..copper
Not providing a host ……fallow tank
Not affording them osmotic pressure differential…. hypo
 
srfisher17

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Quote:
Originally Posted by florida joe http:///forum/thread/382271/one-simple-question-lr-affected-by-hypo#post_3335241
Quote:
Originally Posted by King_Neptune http:///forum/thread/382271/one-simple-question-lr-affected-by-hypo#post_3335223
Quote:
Originally Posted by mkroher http:///forum/thread/382271/one-simple-question-lr-affected-by-hypo#post_3335075
Quote:
Originally Posted by King_Neptune http:///forum/thread/382271/one-simple-question-lr-affected-by-hypo#post_3335040
Just put them in a QT free of LR and LS
... and create an ammonia spike, and poison the fish.
LR and LS arent the only means of filtration for a QT.
I can see this is just going to be another one of those DSB vs. Bare ottom fights.
I withdraw.
please dont withdraw i so want to learn something,
Please expand on your QT tank braking the life cycle of ich
As far as my limited knowledge of the ick parasite goes I only know of a few ways to brake the life cycle of ick that are accepted by the majority of the salt water experts
Using a toxin against them…..copper
Not providing a host ……fallow tank
Not affording them osmotic pressure differential…. hypo
Why would anyone use LR or LS in a QT? It makes no sense ---unless you plan on throwing it out before you move to the next QT session.
 
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