overdosing

devilboy

Member
if you have seen my last 2 posts about a shrimp being found in the skimmer, and not knowing if its my emerald crab or a molt. i was wondering if it could be from overdosing, i have been dosing alot of superbuffer, and calcium to keep them levels in check since they will not stay up. as i was told by bang guy to check magnesium. and i found out my mag was low, thats why my my dKH, and CA would not stay put. and when i was dosing them 2, i was told to add some iodine. with possibly losing 2 inverts, could it be from me overdosing? maybe the iodine?
 

fishieness

Active Member
i personaly would nto dose iodine. It is actualy poisonis to inverts. Only a time bit is needed in yoru system which is obtained through water changes. Iodine causes the shrimp to molt because that is how they get rid of toxins. They store them in their exoskeleton. It can lead to their death.
 

jonnywater

Member
Is it IODINE or IODIDE!!!!!??? Because I find it rather odd that someone would put an item like that on the market.??? Maybe you would have to use a 1/4 of a drop that comes out of an extremely small eye dropper. Most of these are kind of toss and serve though. For instance I add an additive that contains all the heavy metals. Which helps hard corals, live rock and soft coral absorb the nutrients in the water more easily. Things containing copper, DUHDUHDUHHHH!!!!!! it is in such a small dose though, that it will not harm inverts. (under .0001 mg). It is a amino acid and metal trace element so all are in extremely small doses.
Similar to way that I am only adding snails to my tank instead of hermit crabs. From what I have read, there is not a hermit crab on the EEEEEEEEntire PLANET!!! That will not pull a snail out of it's shell. So I opted for snails. The Scarlett Reef and Neon stripe blue legs are supposed to be less likely to do it, but it isnt worth the chance. I have 50 nassarius vibex, 20 trochus and am getting about 10-15 cerith snails. All of them are supposed to get along.
Your water chemistry however is more or less like every other chemical compound on earth. I can make a reccomendation - however it is your decision if you try to use it. Most bottles say things like "add 1 capefull for 50 gallons". Start at about a tenth of what it says and continue with that during the same dosing days and after two weeks see if everything is improving. Seeing as how people use MANY different substrates and other things including activated carbon (which reduced trace elements in a tank), it shouldnt be exact like every tank is put together the same. That is what I am doing right now. Now that MY tank is nearly completely cycled, I am adding trace elements and filling it up to the first threaded line instead of putting two whole capfulls in like it recommends. After two weeks if I do not see a hike in coral expansion or coralline growth, I will go up to the second thread.
Also many of it varies based on what you have in your tank. If you have 10 pounds as opposed to 100 pounds of LR, you are obviously going to need a lesser dosage of whatever the bottle may call for.
 

devilboy

Member
its kent marine concentrated iodine.
ingredients are:
deionized water, potassium iodide, calcium iodide, sodium hydrogen carbonate, sodium carbonate, sodium tetraborate
and thats all it says
 

fishieness

Active Member
i personaly do not add anything that i cant test for
as far as trace elements, a quality salt mix will replenish all you need IMO unless you have some serious SPS or something else.
and you mentioned coraline or coral growth in your tank and it is almost cycled? You wont be seeing either of those for a while. so your plan may have to wait for a little bit.
and yes, iodine is sold. it is needed in small amounts. your salt gives that. anymore is deadly.
 

jonnywater

Member
Right, its iodide. which eventually does turn in to iodine. Which of course is in a much less harmfull form and the tank will only extract what it needs of that.
Like I said though. If you are having problems, most of the stuff will hopefully stay alive during your trial process. If the thing calls for one capfull....I actually think i just read a bottle of it about an hour ago. I think it called for 2 capfulls (or maybe it was one) for every 40 gallons of water twice a week. Now what I might consider doing is instead of adding entire capfulls of concentrated liquid, I would use the first thread in the cap, and just add that. Try that for two weeks and see if it improves anything. If you dont have signifigant coralline algae growth, I would go to the second thread in the cap and try that for two weeks......then so on and so forth. I would just start at minimal amounts and see what your tank actually needs. Build up slowly till you get to the perfect amounts, then go a TINY bit over that. It's really trial and error. There are three different additive companies on the market though. I am not really to into some of them because some seem extremely concentrated. Look at the doses on the back of Seachem or Trop Marin bottles and you will see what I am talking about. They vary A LOT by dosage.
 

jonnywater

Member
Actually, even though I am only several of weeks in.....I am getting rather heavy coralline algae growth. I only have my first 20 pounds in there and am waiting on another 75. When I first put it in, the coralline algae started to "white out" and lose areas to green hair algae on the rock. Now that I am adding smaller doses of additives, the corraline algae that was turning white, has become completely purple again, and is even spreading to more parts of the rock along with maroon patches of it. There is even a tiny bit encrusting on the glass already (maybe the size of a dime).
 

1journeyman

Active Member
As mentioned above, regular water changes with a quality salt will add all of the "trace" elements you need.
Standard rule is to only dose what you can test for.
 
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