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reef_dart21

reef_dart21

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3195559
No but we have a pretty good idea how slowly humans evolve so there should be fossil samples of our skeletal changes over time.
You would think we would have a seamless fossil record, however the environment isnt to kind to the earth. Our continents moved like 3 times (of course a theory) so would you expect alot of the fossils to be lost?
 
yearofthenick

yearofthenick

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Originally Posted by Reef_Dart21
http:///forum/post/3194931
If evolution was a 7 day affair we would evolve each week but too bad only POPULATIONS evolve NOT INDIVIDUALS through time.
The term "7 days" is a big controversy... many think it's allegorical.
 
yearofthenick

yearofthenick

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Originally Posted by Reef_Dart21
http:///forum/post/3194950
The bible is just a book written by a person. How does it prove or disprove anything? Like i said once before find me evidence such as noahs ark, then i might start doubting evolution. Like i also said before nostradomus made succesful predicitons (about 10 succesful out of 1000 predictions) but not through the power of god, he used astrology. Should i start worshipping the stars just because he made a few lucky guesses that lacked any detail.
What I find the most difficult to accept is the blatant double-standard that our modern society accepts.
Alexander the Great. His story is in every history book and is taught at schools world-wide. Prove it. Prove that he existed. We can't. We only have a SINGLE scroll depicting Alexander the Great and his legacy. For all we know, it could be a really old children's tale. But there are over 900 scrolls that have been found depicting Jesus' death AND resurrection. Yet it is pushed under the rug because it could be considered credible enough to help the case for the bible.
Caesar. Everyone knows Caesar. We have about 1,000 scrolls referencing Caesar, about 1/3 of which are also used IN the bible. (Ironic?)
But we have 24,000 scrolls collectively depicting the events that took place in the New Testament.
Double Standard.
Google it. Pretty easy to find the facts on this one.
 
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dragonzim

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Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3195985
What I find the most difficult to accept is the blatant double-standard that our modern society accepts.
Alexander the Great. His story is in every history book and is taught at schools world-wide. Prove it. Prove that he existed. We can't. We only have a SINGLE scroll depicting Alexander the Great and his legacy. For all we know, it could be a really old children's tale. But there are over 900 scrolls that have been found depicting Jesus' death AND resurrection. Yet it is pushed under the rug because it could be considered credible enough to help the case for the bible.
Caesar. Everyone knows Caesar. We have about 1,000 scrolls referencing Caesar, about 1/3 of which are also used IN the bible. (Ironic?)
But we have 24,000 scrolls collectively depicting the events that took place in the New Testament.
Double Standard.
Google it. Pretty easy to find the facts on this one.

Not really a double standard if you take into consideration that Alexander the Great and Caesar were never depicted as having risen from the dead, turning water into wine, healing people and whatever else was attributed to Jesus. No one that I know of disputes that a guy named Jesus actually lived, even the Jewish people. What is disputed is the whole son of god, messiah thing and all the supposed miraclesmagical acts that he performed.
 
flower

flower

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Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3196034
Not really a double standard if you take into consideration that Alexander the Great and Caesar were never depicted as having risen from the dead, turning water into wine, healing people and whatever else was attributed to Jesus. No one that I know of disputes that a guy named Jesus actually lived, even the Jewish people. What is disputed is the whole son of god, messiah thing and all the supposed miraclesmagical acts that he performed.

Jumping in.
There are plenty of accounts of the prophets to name a few
  • raising the dead
  • Feeding the multitudes
  • Taken into the heavenlies
  • healing the sick
  • being killed for their beliefs
    calling fire from heaven
    Let’s not forget the 10 plagues. So miracles/magical is acceptable...even the son of G-d stand is acceptable. Adam was a son of G-d. Also mentioned is the sons of G-d came before him and the Satan was among them in the account of Job.
    The reason I believe "Jesus" is not accepted as Messiah by Jews are:Calling him a god, or equal with The Holy One.
    Has not fulfilled ALL pertaining to Messiah prophesies.
    The modern Christian version of Jesus (Messiah) removing the covenant
 
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dragonzim

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Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3196043

Jumping in.
There are plenty of accounts of the prophets to name a few
  • raising the dead
  • Feeding the multitudes
  • Taken into the heavenlies
  • healing the sick
  • being killed for their beliefs
    calling fire from heaven
    Let’s not forget the 10 plagues. So miracles/magical is acceptable...even the son of G-d stand is acceptable. Adam was a son of G-d. Also mentioned is the sons of G-d came before him and the Satan was among them in the account of Job.
    The reason I believe "Jesus" is not accepted as Messiah by Jews are:Calling him a god, or equal with The Holy One.
    Has not fulfilled ALL pertaining to Messiah prophesies.
    The modern Christian version of Jesus (Messiah) removing the covenant
Yes, but that is all coming from the bible, which is the book in contention by many to be a work of fiction in the first place.
 
yearofthenick

yearofthenick

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Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3196050
Yes, but that is all coming from the bible, which is the book in contention by many to be a work of fiction in the first place.
DragonZim, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Double standard. Don't call it fiction if you call Alexander the Great a fact. Miracles or not, it's a double standard. Something must be shown for those thousands of scrolls. Keep in mind also that much of the new testament is not holy fire and miracles. About 99% of that stuff is in the first 4 books alone, all talking about Jesus' life. The rest is pretty neat to read... you guys make it seem like it's all dragons and wizards... the truth is that the bible is more a book of morals than anything else.
 
flower

flower

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Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3196151
DragonZim, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Double standard. Don't call it fiction if you call Alexander the Great a fact. Miracles or not, it's a double standard. Something must be shown for those thousands of scrolls. Keep in mind also that much of the new testament is not holy fire and miracles. About 99% of that stuff is in the first 4 books alone, all talking about Jesus' life. The rest is pretty neat to read... you guys make it seem like it's all dragons and wizards... the truth is that the bible is more a book of morals than anything else.

You are incorrect,
There are ONLY 5 books of scripture. The first 5 begins at Genesis and ends with Deuteronomy, "Jesus" is not mentioned, but a Messiah is alluded to.
Then you have the Judges and Chronicles of the Kings beginning at Samuel. Then you have the Holy Writings of the prophets. (In Christian books), last you have the accounts of Jesus life and letters of his followers.
 
yearofthenick

yearofthenick

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Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3196193

You are incorrect,
There are ONLY 5 books of scripture. The first 5 begins at Genesis and ends with Deuteronomy, "Jesus" is not mentioned, but a Messiah is alluded to.
Then you have the Judges and Chronicles of the Kings beginning at Samuel. Then you have the Holy Writings of the prophets. (In Christian books), last you have the accounts of Jesus life and letters of his followers.
Flower, I'm getting pretty tired of this. I believe in the New Testament, you don't. I thought we established that when I said I was a Christian and you were Jewish. To me, there are quite a few more books than just the first 5, or the Torah. You don't need to be antagonistic with me about my faith. YES, the first four books in the New Testament DO depict Jesus' life, and much of what is said about miracles in the New Testament are contained within the first four books: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John. I was talking about the New Testament, and I don't know how you could get that I was talking about the old testament:
Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3195985
What I find the most difficult to accept is the blatant double-standard that our modern society accepts.
Caesar. Everyone knows Caesar. We have about 1,000 scrolls referencing Caesar, about 1/3 of which are also used IN the bible. (Ironic?)
But we have 24,000 scrolls collectively depicting the events that took place in the New Testament.
Double Standard.
Google it. Pretty easy to find the facts on this one.
 
yearofthenick

yearofthenick

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But this thread was never meant to become a thread arguing the validity of the bible or God or evolution. This was a thread to ask people what they thought about leaders who are in charge. My question was purposed to get a pulse on those who are of many different faiths and beliefs to see how they felt of those who get "Paid to Care." So here we are, 5 pages later, with everyone at each others' throats.
All I want to know is what you think of religious leaders. Do you think it's a noble life to live or a life of couch potatoes who don't want to get a "real" job?
 
yearofthenick

yearofthenick

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To hell with it (no pun intended). I'm going to start a new thread. Let's try this again, and please, don't get all pope-stick on me, beating everyone with religion.
 
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