Parasites on my clown?
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lopeyc
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jarvis, i hope you're right!
I'm measureing dH -- that's the test kit I got along with the tank and everything in it, part of a package of tests by Tetratest.
I'm going to get a calcium test tomorrow. for some reason a guy at a lfs talked me out of it the other day...
this pic was taken 10 minutes ago...
I'm measureing dH -- that's the test kit I got along with the tank and everything in it, part of a package of tests by Tetratest.
I'm going to get a calcium test tomorrow. for some reason a guy at a lfs talked me out of it the other day...
this pic was taken 10 minutes ago...
wrassecal
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lopeyc - I don't know what got your clown either but, you knew from previous advice that you might have problems with fish. You need to get a qurantine tank up ASAP. You can set it up quickly like mentioned in your brittle star thread. We don't really know what's going on with the clown but it is quite possible with the spots that all your fish are at risk and you need to get that clown into a stress free environment as soon as you can.
fishman830
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lopeyc i like your tank, 'specially your yellow tang and flame angel 
wrassecal
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Originally posted by lopeyc
wrassecal: i hear ya on the QT. However, there are NO spots on my fish. These are EXTERNAL things resting on his skin.
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant small cyst looking white bumps, they can be as small as a grain of salt or larger. They are external.
lopeyc
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no, that doesn't describe this.
he's got the splinters -- the biggest one he's now managed to break off most of it. and then sort of detritus-looking stuff elsewhere.
there's quite a bit of "dust" in and around my live rock, so if he did go head-to-head with the big bristle, then some of it may be just that: detritus. I'm thinking of getting a mechanical backpac filter, as my only mechanical filter is the sump.
i'm going to leave him be for the night and see what happens.
g'night.
he's got the splinters -- the biggest one he's now managed to break off most of it. and then sort of detritus-looking stuff elsewhere.
there's quite a bit of "dust" in and around my live rock, so if he did go head-to-head with the big bristle, then some of it may be just that: detritus. I'm thinking of getting a mechanical backpac filter, as my only mechanical filter is the sump.
i'm going to leave him be for the night and see what happens.
g'night.
lopeyc
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now I just hope all the stress doesn't cause some secondary problem (for me or the fish!).
and i hope he doesn't fight any more marine porcupines.
he has one light scratch that goes from almost head to tail. he looks like the moorish idol from Nemo, for those who've seen it -- scarred up.
and i hope he doesn't fight any more marine porcupines.
he has one light scratch that goes from almost head to tail. he looks like the moorish idol from Nemo, for those who've seen it -- scarred up.
lopeyc
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Originally posted by MichaelTX
if its a bristle worm they will go away on there own just have to watch for signs of infection but most fish will recover within a few days or so.
here is your list.
there are 8 fish in the tank besides the maroon clown: flame angel, yellow tang, bi-color blennie, cotton-tail damsel, clark clown, canary wrasse, yellow-tailed blue damsel, magenta dottyback. The tang and the wrasse are each maybe 3" and the others are all small, between 1" and 2". I've had the tank a month and am planning to set up a second tank ASAP so that I can move the bigger fish out.
remeber after you get another tank all setup and going you can always get new fish to go in it.
this is what I would remove if it was my tank.
the tang (because of swimming room and if it takes longer than a few months the tang could start to develope HLLE which is really bad for them and can kill them- the main cause of this in tangs is swimming room.
the wrasse
flame angel- really needs a bigger tank to be happy
and the dottyback for aggression reasons.
that would leave you with the bleeny the 2 damsels and the 2 clowns. after the new tank is up and going you can always get these fish again.
the reason for the difference in opion your loking at the guy that set up the tank a year agoand probably went off the LFS advice. and it has worked for him but in all reality the tank stock is who is suffering. give you an idea to stunt the growth of fish it takes a lot of stress and unnatural methods. my yellow tang that I have is about 7 inches now when I got him about a year ago he was at 2 inches that 5 inches of growth in a year. and the one you have is at 3 inches and supposed have been in the tank for a year. see the difference.
HTH some
Mike
I've been considering this generous advice very seriously for a week, realizing that the status quo is not so good. But I'm attached to these particular fish already, silly as that may seem. So here's what I've decided, if anybody has thoughts on the wisdom of it:
-- I have the money and in two weeks I'll have the time to purchase a 90g or 125g tank and cured live rock.
-- I'll then take down my current 37g tank, saving all the water, then move the bigger tank into the same spot (I only really have one appropriate spot in my small apartment.)
-- Then I'll move all water and inhabitants into the new tank, adding new water to make up the difference.
-- I'll then turn the old tank into a sump and turn my current sump into either a refugium or a quarantine tank.
Questions:
-- Will adding 60-80g of water mean I'll have an ammonia bloom? Or will this be just like a large water change?
-- How much live rock should I buy.
-- Should I try and quarantine my inhabitants away from the new tank to let the new live rock die-off process out?
-- should I get rid of my damsels in the move?
-- how deep a sand bed would I want in the new tank?
offshore80
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Hmm, a Maroon clown can be a very nasty fish. I have one and he rules the tank. I can't see any fish in your tank that could hurt him. The spines/splinters you mention in his neck? could they be his cheek spines? That's what makes them so deadly. They can nail a fish with those and really hurt them.
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michaeltx
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The spines/splinters you mention in his neck? could they be his cheek spines?
these were all around the front of the fish. but do you have info on this I have never heard that one before.
--Will adding 60-80g of water mean I'll have an ammonia bloom? Or will this be just like a large water change?
I would age the water for a week or more before changing over to the new tank this way the water has some time to stablize out before adding it to the old water. there is still a possibility of a mini cycle though.
--How much live rock should I buy
really depends on how much you have but strive for a look that pleases you and equals to as close to 1 to 1-1/2 pounds per gallon of water.
---Should I try and quarantine my inhabitants away from the new tank to let the new live rock die-off process out?
diffenately keep the fish away from rock that hasnt cured. you can get the rock and cure in rubbermaid containers and then add to the tank a little at a time to keep a cycle from taking place.
---should I get rid of my damsels in the move?
I would but I dont like the damsels attitude they can be really nasty as the get bigger. but I love the colors but not a good community fish IMO
---how deep a sand bed would I want in the new tank?
do a search for DSB SSB (shallow sand bed) they both have thier pros and cons so if you research those and make a decsion that right for you. I have a DSB in my main tank but when I redid it I didnt add a DSB I went with a shallow bed in the tank and a DSB in the sump and refugium.
I am glad that you are taking the advice though it will help you and the fish in the long run. I would go the 125 though and predrilled but thats me.
Mike
these were all around the front of the fish. but do you have info on this I have never heard that one before.
--Will adding 60-80g of water mean I'll have an ammonia bloom? Or will this be just like a large water change?
I would age the water for a week or more before changing over to the new tank this way the water has some time to stablize out before adding it to the old water. there is still a possibility of a mini cycle though.
--How much live rock should I buy
really depends on how much you have but strive for a look that pleases you and equals to as close to 1 to 1-1/2 pounds per gallon of water.
---Should I try and quarantine my inhabitants away from the new tank to let the new live rock die-off process out?
diffenately keep the fish away from rock that hasnt cured. you can get the rock and cure in rubbermaid containers and then add to the tank a little at a time to keep a cycle from taking place.
---should I get rid of my damsels in the move?
I would but I dont like the damsels attitude they can be really nasty as the get bigger. but I love the colors but not a good community fish IMO
---how deep a sand bed would I want in the new tank?
do a search for DSB SSB (shallow sand bed) they both have thier pros and cons so if you research those and make a decsion that right for you. I have a DSB in my main tank but when I redid it I didnt add a DSB I went with a shallow bed in the tank and a DSB in the sump and refugium.
I am glad that you are taking the advice though it will help you and the fish in the long run. I would go the 125 though and predrilled but thats me.
Mike
wrassecal
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I went from a 55 gal to a 135. I already had 125 lbs of lr in the 55 and I used all the water and all the livestock, some new dry southdown sand with the other live sand on top. When going to tank that much larger even if you use all of your existing stuff you are still going to go through a cycle. It may be minimal and it may be major just like a new tank. The best thing I had going for me was the 125 lbs of live rock that had been in the 55 for several months. I still had a mini cycle and diatom blooms and the other stages of a new tank. I also kept everything in the 55 for 2 weeks while I let the new saltwater in the 135 circulate and reach the proper PH. With what you have I don't think you would be able to just "switch" out the tanks with all the livestock you have with that kind of upgrade. It's a good idea but, you would need to keep your current tank going while your new tank cycled IMO.
lopeyc
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Originally posted by Offshore80
Hmm, a Maroon clown can be a very nasty fish. I have one and he rules the tank. I can't see any fish in your tank that could hurt him. The spines/splinters you mention in his neck? could they be his cheek spines? That's what makes them so deadly. They can nail a fish with those and really hurt them.
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I wouldn't say he rules the tank -- like the dottyback, he's a little tentative at feeding time.
And no, these were not his cheek spines, which are small, maroon and symetrical. These were in his face; there's a picture I posted in the disease board.
Thanks Michael and Wrassecal for the advice and experience.
jlem
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I can't believe you Lopey. You have totally ignored every piece of advice given to you. You were advised to start a quarantine tank which you didn't.
Advised numurous times to get rid of the tang. But it is your favorite so that of course means to keep it.
I could go on and on. I will reply to every thread that you start about how pointless it is to give you advise because it is a waist of time. Once you actualy make an effort to keep your fish alive and healthy I will stop.
Advised numurous times to get rid of the tang. But it is your favorite so that of course means to keep it.
I could go on and on. I will reply to every thread that you start about how pointless it is to give you advise because it is a waist of time. Once you actualy make an effort to keep your fish alive and healthy I will stop.