Pistol Shrimp?

yellow ace

Member
I thought that Pistol Shrimp were bad hitchhikers that you could get from live rock, but alot of people have been talking about there goby/pistol shrimp pairs. Are these two different species with the same common name, or are the "bad" pistol shrimp and "good" pistol shrimp?
-Ace
 

nm reef

Active Member
You may be thinking of "mantis shrimp" ... pistols are closely related but seldom pose problems....mantis can be downright dangerous
 

yellow ace

Member
oh, ok...Well I knew mantis shrimp were a problem, but I thought people got rid of pistol shrimp becuase of their annoying clicking at night. Maybe I was mistaken...
-Ace
 

celacanthr

Active Member
I would have to disagree, I don't believe that they are closely related. Mantis shrimp are in the order Stomatopoda, whereas pistol shrimp are found in the order Decapoda (I am not sure wether you Italicize orders or not, so I will leave them un-italicized). But I guess that it is a matter of opinion, since you could say that they are relatively close.
But I do agree that you (Yellow Ace) probably have pistol and mantis shrimp mixed up.
Oh, and I agree that mantis shrimp can be a VERY big problem. Oh, and if you do happen to ever see one, DO NOT try and touch it!
Oh, and also, you could make some money, or get some nice corals, because many people (myself included) are looking for mantis shrimp, and are probaly willing to trade for one.
 

yellow ace

Member
I'm sorry, I do not have any mantis shrimp or pistol shrimp at the moment, but I am buying Lr soon and wanted to know whether to keep pistol shrimp or not. Thanks for the information! Here is an article (I did not write it) about Mantis Shrimp Vs. Pistol shrimp:
# At the very basic level, the two are very different critters, with pistol shrimps belonging to a completely different group of organisms which include lobsters and crabs, while mantis shrimps make up the only living order in a superorder called the hoplocarida. You can tell both apart very quickly by the ff:
# Pistol shrimps have two relatively large claws (one significantly larger than the other) that it holds extended in front of it, while mantis shrimps hold their enlarged forelimbs very close to their bodies.
# The carapace of a pistols is relatively "long" (ie. covers the head and thoracic segments), whereas in mantises the carapace is extremely short, which makes them look more "wormlike" because of the exposed abdomen and some thoracic segments. This makes the mantises very flexible, and they like rolling around a lot inside their burrows or cavities.
# Pistols seem to have a very normal looking shrimplike "rostrum" (I don't own a pistol, so I'm basing this on pics), which is a sharplike extension jutting outwards from their head, while mantis shrimps do not clearly show this structure.
# The eyes of pistols are recessed, whereas mantises have extraordinarily stalked and eminently moveable eyes.
# Mantis shrimps have a pair of "winglike" antennal scales along the sides of their head, which you can very clearly see if you look at them face to face.
# Pistol shrimps make those clicking noises by using one of their specially modified claws. Based from different sources, these are either used in mating, hunting (by stunning small prey), and in fighting with other pistol shrimps. Mantises cannot make clicking noises per se.... instead, any clicking noises from a mantis shrimp are due to using its forelimbs to hit something else, either inanimate objects or (more likely) hardshelled prey such as snails or hermit crabs.
# Whether or not pistols are deadly to other inhabitants of the aquarium seems to be an open debate. Some have said they do eat others, while I've read in some reference books that they feed on already dead stuff. I suppose it's really a combination of both, with the shrimp feeding on much smaller prey when the opportunity arises. The mantis is deadly to others (especially when it's pretty hungry), although one mantis that I have has (so far) left other inhabitants alone when kept amply fed. I've seen pics of gobies and pistols cooperating, while I'm sure the mantis would rather eat the fish than live with it.
 

celacanthr

Active Member
Oh, yeah, you are right, that some people do get rid of pistol shrimp because of the popping, especially if the tank is in the persons bedroom, sorry I had started writing my post before i saw your reply to NMreef's.
 

yellow ace

Member
Oh, CELACANTHr, how much would you pay for a mantis shrimp? (just in case I come across one :thinking: ) And, if you don't mind, why would you want one? I know some people have designated mantis tanks (which, I would do if I was up to it, with mantis becuase harmful and all, becuase they are so pretty!).
-Ace
 

celacanthr

Active Member
Well, any selling or buying you have to do off of this site, since only trading is allowed. Anyways, in monatary value, most common hitchiker mantis shrimps you could probably squeeze out 10 dollars at most (and make the person pay shipping of course) for a slicer, 15 max probable, and for some of the more colerful ones, or for the rarer ones, the price range varies.
Oh, and I am trying to settup a mantis tank, so I myself can study up on them up close and (through glass) personal.
 

yellow ace

Member
That sounds awesome! Sorry, when I said money, I meant value...i.e. 1 damsel etc... Ok, well I'll get in touch with you if I find a mantis shrimp!
-Ace
 
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