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[krowleey]

you dont think people leave for the fact that ppl are tag teaming and bashing someone because of his methods? news flash there is NO certain way to do things in this hobby its all debated, and everyone has thier own beliefs. thats what this MB is all about, not come to swf.com to research what the adm thinks is the best way to keep a saltwater tank, thats bogus.

 

[beaslbob]

I just can't help but wonder if with all this if blue steel's question got answered. that is what this particular thread is supposed to be all about.
To answer the more specific posts
1). Most reef tanks as well as FO tanks have plant life in them.
2). "my" methods are absolutely the easiest and most goof proof for any newbie.
3) anything said on this board (unless quoted) is always the opinion of the poster.
If anyone has any specific questions of concerns other than the benefits of plant life (thread topic) it might be nicer to start a new thread or even email me at beaslbob@aol.com.

 

[krowleey]

i wasnt knockin you Kip, i have high respect for you and your tanks. i just feel it isnt right to put someone down or use the "ill leave" excuse to alienate a persons idea's or beliefs, i think personally its pretty childish. do i use tap water? hell no do i have macros in my display? hell no i took the time to get many ppls ideas about setting my tank up, and anyone new really should do that bottom line. but i know thats not possible

 

[doodle1800]

First of all - Blue Steel - sorry for this thread going this way..
2nd - Kip - I try to look at both sides of an argument, I try to be impartial, but I tend to be for the underdog and give that person a chance, or benefit of the doubt at first. I don't like to believe everyone, the majority, at first. Now I haven't read all of Bobs posts, of course, but I do read some of his posts and in my mind I have the idea that plant life does have advantages. When you say something like hobby accepted standards - well, this hobby has come a long way in the last 20 years and I think the standards are still being defined. Bob's ideas are different, are they wrong? Are they proven to be wrong where other hobbyists fail and stop trying the salt water hobby? Has anyone said or posted against Bob and his ideas and said - because of you Bob, I'm quitting? The arguments that you, Thomas, and Bang and whoever else has professional "expert" advice against Bob are based on what you've read and your experiences. Bob's experiences have given him, in his opinion, a successful, satisfying hobby. I truly believe he does not lie, and that his intentions are sincere - to help people.
My suggestion? - Have a Bob police, like a Tang police. Everytime he posts, just come on and say - I disagree with Bob and here's why.
i need a chill pill

 

[doodle1800]

Originally posted by Kip4130
left winged ideas are ok.. if you accept them at that... but does the lead representative from that party need to pounce on every newby's question with his unporven, self conflicting methodologies?


no he doesn't, shouldn't..... but this thread was open invitation for him
you're right - end of discussion (for me 2)...sorry for coming on strong today guys.. pretty argumentative, obviously..

 

[doodle1800]

Originally posted by Kip4130
have a good one fellas... and no hard feelings towards anyone here

Are there hard feelings here from this thread anyone? If there are - sorry about that..

 

[jgonier]

Personally, I was getting sick of hearing nothing but plants from bob all the time too, BUT, now I'm getting tired of hearing all the slams the second he posts. I have read alot of posts on this board and I have noticed two things.
1) When people ask for advice, people give their responses and then the next person gives theirs and so on. The reader then decides from those responses a path that they chose to follow based on those responses.
2) Same as above, BUT, the second bob posts, the suggestions stop coming for the person who asked the question. It has now become a bash fest and the original topic has now been forgotten. I wouldn't be surprised if the original poster just said forget it, I'll look elsewhere for my answer.
I say we stick to option #1 above. IF you do not agree with a posters suggestion, then just say "I do not agree", and then give YOUR suggestion and leave it at that.
I too am a newbe and enjoy reading posts on different things from this board however, it is getting pathetic to have to sift through all the bashing going on to get to the answer I am looking for.
Just My 2¢

 

[barry cuda]

I gotta chime in here. First of all - As a new aquarist who's just starting to cycle his first tank, I know NOTHING in any real, practical sense. I've acquired a fairly decent stock of "book knowledge" through reading here and elsewhere, but still, that doesn't stack up against practical experience at all. So take that into account when you read my opinions.
That said, I think it's time to ease up on Bob. Yes, everything he says flies in the face of the conventional wisdom about marine aquaria. Yes, he's kind of a one-trick pony. Yes, the constant harping about "plant life" gets kind of old. However, he's entitled to his opinion, and entitled to express it. Newbies would be advised to keep in mind that many others here disagree with his advice...however, taking everything with a grain of salt is ALWAYS a good idea when taking advice off the Web, in an open forum or not.
Those who disagree with Bob's methods and advice are free to post to that effect, and IMO there's no need to ponder administrative action against him. Bob will almost certainly continue to give newbies advice that a lot of you consider questionable...and I'm sure the rest will continue to disagree. That's just the nature of a discussion board IMO. I believe administrative actions like banning are best applied to those who engage in personal attacks or other antisocial behavior, not dispensers of controversial advice.
Just my $.02.

 

[nm reef]

Very few members may care to hear this...but I am sick...simply fed up...with the circus circulating around beaslbob.
I don't agree with the way he presents his information and I believe that his advice may contribute to problems for the folks that follow it.
I use macro algaes as a minor part of the overall filtration of my system and I do believe that algaes can be beneficial...but...I prefer not to allow any micro and/or macro algaes to consume or overrun my system.
Its true there are differences of opinion and its very true that there are numerous ways to establish a marine system....each marine system is different from all the others...no two are exact duplicates. We should all try to develop a system and method that provides adaquate chances for our livestock to survive and thrive.
The debate will continue for as long as this hobby exists.....
...but the circus surrounding beaslbob needs to end before this site becomes a laughing stock....I have decided to basically ignore the circus and advise members to refrain from contributing to threads of this nature. It is my hope that members in need of guidance or help will be able to sift thru the info provided and make rational decissions based on the info they find here. Bottom line is this game with beaslbob has become a very negative circus and it should be held in check.
For those reasons I am closing this thread and in the future will delete and/or close any thread that degrades into a verbal exchange between members.
I've had enough and this site has suffered enough from this circus....thread closed.:nope: