Please Don't post a problem and say..

sw65galma

Active Member
My water Parms are perfect....
Chances are...if you are posting a problem...they are not "Perfect"
So please post as much info as you can no matter how trivial it may seam...
Including any additions, fluctuations during the day..anything that might help us help you..
Post ALL Tank Specs, Lighting and hardware, any additions...and the most recent additons of anything inlcuding rock..
It's like asking a mechanic why is my car making a noise?
We need more info.....
Just a friendly service announcement :cheer:
 

stone

Member
OMG, thanks for that post Itsl like every one posting a problem has Perfect water. I dont even read threads like that any more.
Mike
 

ophiura

Active Member
LOL :D You right on that. I think there was a thread awhile back on what got people's attention and what turned people off from answering a post, and that was on there.
If it is perfect, pat yourself on the back :yes: and brag but give people the opportunity to look for things you don't see or know. Lots of times, for example, people have issues with inverts and their speicific gravity is "perfect" for a FO system! (1.021). Fatal, of course, for many inverts. Some people don't know to test for alk, or calcium...and unless we see a list of parameters we may think they are tested.
But I will definitely admit that I'll generally give only a couple of "we need water parameters" before abandoning a thread. OK, maybe not the first post but if not in following posts after the question is asked, well. If I don't see that info, then perhaps people really don't want help or don't want to listen, or they don't want to list their parameters so that probably answers the question right there. It is frustrating because it is critical. Lots of other people who will give a tooth and any other info needed for help and that is a better way to spend what time I have :yes:
 
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thomas712

Guest
Originally Posted by sw65galma
My water Parms are perfect....
Chances are...if you are posting a problem...they are not "Perfect"
What can I say but.
Rock on SW65GALMA I see that kind of problem 20 times a day here. Saltwater is not like freshwater. You have to become part chemist to be in this hobby. Also part plumber and marine biologists.
Thomas
 

sw65galma

Active Member
Originally Posted by mudplayerx
Some of us know what perfect parameters are because we are nerds and keep journals of our testing days :p

Ya but still post them, because 2 heads are better than one...You may be missing the obvious because you being so into it, may be focused on something...
I do it all the time.
 

sw65galma

Active Member
Originally Posted by Thomas712
What can I say but.
Rock on SW65GALMA I see that kind of problem 20 times a day here. Saltwater is not like freshwater. You have to become part chemist to be in this hobby. Also part plumber and marine biologists.
Thomas
Sooo true....
 

sw65galma

Active Member
Originally Posted by ophiura
If it is perfect, pat yourself on the back :yes: and brag but give people the opportunity to look for things you don't see or know. Lots of times, for example, people have issues with inverts and their speicific gravity is "perfect" for a FO system! (1.021). Fatal, of course, for many inverts. Some people don't know to test for alk, or calcium...and unless we see a list of parameters we may think they are tested.
Exactly!! "perfect" can mean tons of things....
And tank size...
Someone says I got a Phosphate problem and I have 10 fish and it's in a 100 gal, that will mean something different than 10 fish in a 30gallon.
 

mudplayerx

Active Member
Originally Posted by sw65galma
Exactly!! "perfect" can mean tons of things....
And tank size...
Someone says I got a Phosphate problem and I have 10 fish and it's in a 100 gal, that will mean something different than 10 fish in a 30gallon.
I agree with what your saying, but I'd say any reading at all of phosphate is a problem. :)
 

mudplayerx

Active Member
I wanted to make clear that I agree with the poster. When asking for advice, try to supply all of your most recent water parameters. It makes it much easier for everyone to help you out. Regardless of how much you and I think we know, it is always best to supply all of the information needed to keep our pets healthy.
 

salty cheese

Active Member
Originally Posted by Schubert
WHAT?! But my parameters are ALWAYS perfect! I mean heck - my ammonia is usually less than 1 !
That's a joke, right? :thinking: :)
 

sw65galma

Active Member
Originally Posted by mudplayerx
I agree with what your saying, but I'd say any reading at all of phosphate is a problem. :)
True but i meant the fix for the same problem could be different for those 2 scenerios.
 

bacffin

Member
Is there a guideline sticky that helps us newbie’s know what to post? Like a list of paramaters. It might be helpful to those who don't have any idea and to help keep the rhetoric down. Just a suggestion. I'll help make one if it is possible.
Bruce :thinking:
 
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thomas712

Guest
Originally Posted by Bacffin
Is there a guideline sticky that helps us newbie’s know what to post?
Actually yes there is. One that I like is in the Disease forum written by a former mod JWTrojan44:
It's important to be as specific and detailed as possible with your problem, much as you would with a family doctor when you are ill.
Some things to be included in your original post/question;
1. State the problem as you see it and provide details.
2. List symptoms...white spots, not eating, labored breathing, etc.
3. How long the fish has been exhibiting these symptoms.
4. What is in the tank; other fish, live rock, corals, inverts.
5. State the tank size, and how long the tank has been up and running.
5. Diet; what are you feeding the fish, and do you use any supplements like selcon, zoe, zoecon or garlic.
6. How long have you had the particular fish and have there been any new additions.
7. Was the fish quarantined prior to placing it in your main tank, and do you have a quarantine tank that you can use? EVERYONE SHOULD!!!)
8. Have you tried any treatments thus far before posting here. And, if so, describe what you have done.
9. Water parameters!!! ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, temperature and salinity. These are very important to know. Please don't say "my water quality is good". Give real numbers. It could be the key to solving the problem.
Some of these things may not seem relevant but they are, and many of them can aid the moderators and members knowledgeable in disease to quickly give you advice that will aid in getting your fish back to good health. It's almost a sure bet that these questions will be asked if you don't provide the information, so save time and frustration and be as inclusive as you can in your first post.

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Much of this information is very helpful when dealing with a problem. Many of the repetitive things like tank size, filtration and hardware can simply be written up in your word processor and cut and pasted repeatedly. None of us are perfect and many of us do not know each others experince in the hobby. If say a known poster like Bang Guy or NMReef were to tell me that their water checked out fine I wouldn't question it, otherwise many of us do wonder. So many other posters say their water is fine but they are only testing ammonia, nitrites and nitrates and they think they are alright with these numbers, come to find out its a reef tank and they don't know how to test for alkalinity or calcium and the overlooked magnesium. The list goes on. As long as we help each other out, ask questions and go through a process of elimination we should all be alright. We should all be paitent and ask the same questions as many of these threads go on and on. Most important is the water paramiters. Unless we can actually see those numbers those trying to help will always wonder, always ask "what do you mean by water checks out"? "What did you test for"? It will always be thus.
Thomas
 
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