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srgvigil

srgvigil

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Originally Posted by bhfccsr198
http:///forum/post/2478468
Well I Understand That But I Have Never Had A Ick Outbreak Or Any Other Disease In My Tank.the Hippo And The Kole Tang Are Small The Hippo Is Going To Leave Soon To But The Kole Is Staying.it Is No Different Then When You Go Into A Petstore Anyone And See 5 Yuellow Tangs In A 20gallon Atleast I Got A 754 Foot Of Swimming Room
You can keep a tang in a nano and not have any disease outbreak
It is the living conditions
What if we were to lock you into a dog travel crate
Sure it may never be as big as the world around you
but thats ok
because your healthy and living
do you get the point im getting at?
(Im trying to be introduced into the Tang Police)
 
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h2ocrazy

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King
You are relating to fish as humans?? Well, if you want to go that route, then think of a baby more like a little goby not a tang, a tang is more like a chimpanzee, they need space, they have demands, they need to swim. Just like a baby will need to walk, it will not be happy in a room with no space to move freely. If you really don't care about the quality of life of your fish and justify it as just a purchase for your own entertainment, you should have just stuck to your video games and not this hobby.
As far as the way they are kept in stores, it is the same with any animal. You don't go to any store to buy a dog, cat,..whatever and see it out running in a field ro back yard. It doesn't mean you can stick them in a cage and that alone be sufficient.
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by bhfccsr198
http:///forum/post/2478523
Im with king it really doesnt matter what size your tank is it will never be as big as the fishes former home the ocean:

Few people have ranches the size of the Southwest; Should no one keep horses as pets?
Few people have large deserts or rain forests in their backyards; should no one have reptiles and birds as pets?
It's all about perspective.... As a hobbyist it is your responsibility to provide the best habitat possible. If you can't do that; get different fish or get a larger tank.
 
ccampbell57

ccampbell57

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OMG - another one of these threads. It seems like we are getting into this topic waaaaay too much lately.
BHF - personally, your hippo tang will be fine in the 75g tank till it is around 6". I personally think that the Black tang would fit for a while as well. My LFS has 3 black tangs in separate 75g holding tanks and they look a little stressed. It seems that they are much more active than the yellow and purple tangs I have seen.
I dont mind your stocklist and think that the you could add the fish. I would just have a plan for the future just in case.
 
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h2ocrazy

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Honestly, there is no arguing with irrational people, one thing is to give them the best home possible and another is thinking what you are doing is the best thing. Bottom line is if people want to keep a great white in their swimming pool they will do it if they can, especially if money is not an issue, but it doesn't make you right because you can do it. Just makes you ignorant, with a tad bit of self grandeur.
Originally Posted by ccampbell57
http:///forum/post/2478559
I dont mind your stocklist and think that the you could add the fish. I would just have a plan for the future just in case.
Plan for the future? If you plan for the future then don't get something that is going to outgrow your tank.
 
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king_nothing_

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Originally Posted by h2ocrazy
http:///forum/post/2478549
King
You are relating to fish as humans?? Well, if you want to go that route, then think of a baby more like a little goby not a tang, a tang is more like a chimpanzee, they need space, they have demands, they need to swim. Just like a baby will need to walk, it will not be happy in a room with no space to move freely. If you really don't care about the quality of life of your fish and justify it as just a purchase for your own entertainment, you should have just stuck to your video games and not this hobby.
As far as the way they are kept in stores, it is the same with any animal. You don't go to any store to buy a dog, cat,..whatever and see it out running in a field ro back yard. It doesn't mean you can stick them in a cage and that alone be sufficient.
im saying that you can keep a one inch long fish in a 75 gallon tank until it gets to the size that it wil be when fully grown. how is that wrong? youve GOT to be kidding me. you're telling me that the fish "knows" that EVENTUALLY it's gonna need more room? no, it doesn't. All the fish knows is "im hungry im hungry im swimming ok this is enough im hungry ok good he fed me im swimming im hungry im hungry im crapping im hungry"....i think you get the point.
I have a savannah monitor thats about 8 inches long, but eventually it's going to be 3 feet or more. Do I have it in a huge home-made enclosure NOW? no. course not. Is there somethign wrong with that? no. course not. not as long as when the lizard DOES get to the size he needs a bigger enclosure, i provide him with that. And I will. But for NOW theres no reason to say "oh, i don't have a huge-ass cage, i shouldn't have this monitor, even though in 2 or 3 years when its finally getting to that size, I WILL have that size cage".
please. the ONLY argument to be had here is the fact that by getting a (for example) baby fish that grows to 16 inches and keeping it in a 75G aquarium THEN upgrading, is more expensive to the individual hobbiest later. If someone wants to spend the money later as opposed to now....WHO CARES????? other than him, of course. The fish sure as hell doesnt. As long as it gets to its proper sized tank when the time comes.
 
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h2ocrazy

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No argueing with irrational people like I said. You are assuming he will upgrade or get him a better home. It seems he just wants them for his own entertainment. They live long years, just like your lizard. While you at least plan on upgrading for your lizard, it seems he doesn't he will just get rid of this fish and get another small fish as he plans on doing now. Like I said I will not argue any more. No point, if you think you are providing the best care for them even when you are neglecting them, do as you will, just don't ask for others opinions and think everyone will agree with you.
 
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king_nothing_

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Originally Posted by SrgVigil
http:///forum/post/2478538
You can keep a tang in a nano and not have any disease outbreak
It is the living conditions
What if we were to lock you into a dog travel crate
Sure it may never be as big as the world around you
but thats ok
because your healthy and living
do you get the point im getting at?
(Im trying to be introduced into the Tang Police)

a baby tang in a 75 is HARDLY a tang in a nano. in a nano it would not be able to physically move. in a 75 it can. and thereinlies the difference. it would be like locking me in my house. because PROPORTIONALLY, my house is about the same ratio to me as my fish tank is to my fish. I would be able to function perfectly, and not get sick, but i would get bored out of my mind. Fish dont get bored, because they are not sentient creatures. Therefore I don't see the problem. If the fish can easily swim around, and you can look at the tank and see that it has no problems (like the baby tang in a 75) then WHAT is the problem??? Other than what other people have told you is "not the right thing to do".
and no, i don't have a tang in my 75....im just agruing a point. I never WILL have a tang in a 75 either, because tangs are overrated, ugly, and waaayyyyy too common. So I'm not one of those guys trying to justify their own actions. I'm trying to justify the actions of others.
 
ccampbell57

ccampbell57

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H2O - I use myself as an example. I have a 180. I had it fully stocked 6 months ago with the fish that I would have in there till they died. In the past months I started to plan my ~400g in wall tank. So, in realizing that I will have this much larger tank in 12 months, I have started to basically use my 180 as a beginning QT so that when the big guy is up and running I will not have any issues with introducing sick fish.
My fish are happy and doing great. I would not EVER leave them be in my tank full term if I was not upgrading. That is what I mean by having a plan.
 
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king_nothing_

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and also, i see no problem with getting rid of a fish when it gets too big for your tank and replacing it with a new fish. whats the problem with that???? my GOD. that's not even REMOTELY unethical. You trade in the fish to the fish store, get credit for it and use that same credit to buy a fish thats more suitable. The person that re-buys your fish that got too big will have enough room for it, and it will go to a fine home. Because noone is so dumb that they look at a 14 inch grouper (for example) and think "hey, this would go great in my 55". they may do it for a tang though. but even then, thats not your fault at ALL. Not your problem, either. You did the ethical thing by trading it in and getting a more suitable pet.
 
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h2ocrazy

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OMG, Point is you guys have a plan, and he does not. You can justify sticking fish in a smaller tank until they grow for your larger tank. I applaud your planning. Adding a fish to later try and get rid of it is not proper planning and if you think this is correct then I guess fish aren't the only non-sentient beings.
Too each their own principles. If you think you are correct, then you must be correct. Do as you wish. JUST DON'T ASK FOR OPINIONS IF YOU WILL NOT LIKE PEOPLE'S COMMENTS.
 
ccampbell57

ccampbell57

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I agree with you on that H2O. Planning IMO does not mean getting rid of the fish.
I happen to deeply love my fish (my wife, friends, and many members on this board can attest to that) and will do anything for them. I would NEVER allow some other person to take the life of my fish into their hands...no matter how experienced they are.
Just read my thread about the Blueline trigger I bought and had to return due to my Niger kicking the crap out of it. It went to a customers tank that my LFS maintains (500g) and died due to the fact the maintenance crew was new and shocked all the fish.
 
bhfccsr198

bhfccsr198

Member
h20 thanks for saying that i dont plan and i am just useing this for my entertainment only well that is some what true same with you and everyone else on this board. but i have had a 125 gallon and i down graded do to i moved to a smaller house but i am in the process of getting rid of the purple and the tanng is a half dollar size when it get large i will get rid of it and the kkole is full grown and fine plus i will be posting pics tommorow
 
bhfccsr198

bhfccsr198

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Just To Let Everyone Know Im Takeing My Purple Tang And Baby Hippo To Lfs Tommorow Unless Some One Wants To Make A Offer I Also Have A Green Carpet Ann That Going Also
 
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