Please Help Ich
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1journeyman
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Adding to the refugium will do nothing as it is attached to your display tank.
contrary to the adds, there is no 100% reef safe medication.
I'm going to move this to the disease forum so that you can get the best advice. Also, use the search feature to look up "hyposalinity".
contrary to the adds, there is no 100% reef safe medication.
I'm going to move this to the disease forum so that you can get the best advice. Also, use the search feature to look up "hyposalinity".
fedukeford
Active Member
Did you QT the tangs? if you didnt they might have come in with ich in the devoloping stages and infected your hippo tang. Try feeding Garlic Extreme, or crushed garlic mixed in with the food for a couple days and they might be able to fight off the ich on their own.
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sepulatian
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They may be able to fight it temporarily, but ich is now in your entire system and all fish have been exposed. Do you have a qt tank set up?
jlem
Active Member
Almost every tank has Some sort of ICH in the system all of the time. I would argue that there is not person on this board with a reef tank that has never noticed a little white spot or blemish on there fish that comes and goes but never becomes a problem. Most fish can fight off the little bugs that all tanks have just as they do in nature for as long as the water is in good quality and the fish fed a healthy diet. Before you go doing anything drastic you should start feeding the fish garlic and do a few good water changes. The water changes will improve water quality and the Garlic could very well boost the immune system to help the fish fight the ICH off untill the surge in ICH subsides to a managable level that all tanks have. I added some new rock 4 months ago to my system when I moved from a 125 to a 150 after 5 years. Within a week My Tangs where coated with white spots. I improved water quality with some large water changes ( I had a small cycle ) and increased my Garlic feeding and after a few weeks the fish where looking much better and now 3 months later I have no signs of Ich. I know that it is in the tank but the fish naturally fight it off just like they do in nature. I notice a spot or two every so often and had for years as I am sure most hobbiest do ( I doubt they will admit it ).
1journeyman
Active Member
Originally Posted by jlem
Almost every tank has Some sort of ICH in the system all of the time............
??? Are we going back to believing in spontaneous generation ?
Ich isn't a magical gremlin. There are simple procedures to keep it forever out of your tank.
Almost every tank has Some sort of ICH in the system all of the time............
??? Are we going back to believing in spontaneous generation ?
Ich isn't a magical gremlin. There are simple procedures to keep it forever out of your tank.
jlem
Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
??? Are we going back to believing in spontaneous generation ?
Ich isn't a magical gremlin.
It's a Magical little white spot
All it takes is one spot to keep it in your tank in small amounts that are easily controlled by healthy fish. If you tank water quality deteriorated I bett that your fish would start showing signs of something and probably some sort of white spot because they would be weakened. I could be wrong but then again so could you.
??? Are we going back to believing in spontaneous generation ?
Ich isn't a magical gremlin.
It's a Magical little white spot
All it takes is one spot to keep it in your tank in small amounts that are easily controlled by healthy fish. If you tank water quality deteriorated I bett that your fish would start showing signs of something and probably some sort of white spot because they would be weakened. I could be wrong but then again so could you.
jlem
Active Member
Originally Posted by jlem
It's a Magical little white spot
All it takes is one spot to keep it in your tank in small amounts that are easily controlled by healthy fish. If you tank water quality deteriorated I bett that your fish would start showing signs of something and probably some sort of white spot because they would be weakened. I could be wrong but then again so could you.
It's a Magical little white spot
All it takes is one spot to keep it in your tank in small amounts that are easily controlled by healthy fish. If you tank water quality deteriorated I bett that your fish would start showing signs of something and probably some sort of white spot because they would be weakened. I could be wrong but then again so could you.
1journeyman
Active Member
Originally Posted by jlem
It's a Magical little white spot
No, it's a parasite with a known life cycle....
Ich cannot appear in a tank. It must be introduced.
It's a Magical little white spot
No, it's a parasite with a known life cycle....
Ich cannot appear in a tank. It must be introduced.
sepulatian
Moderator
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
No, it's a parasite with a known life cycle....
Ich cannot appear in a tank. It must be introduced.
I 100% agree with 1journeyman!!! Ich is not just there in all systems. It is introduced. Many times aquarists do not realize that they have introduced it because it does not just come in on fish. It can be introduced while in the dormant stage on rocks, coral, anything. That is why it so important to QT ALL new arivals. Without a host ich cannot live.
No, it's a parasite with a known life cycle....
Ich cannot appear in a tank. It must be introduced.
I 100% agree with 1journeyman!!! Ich is not just there in all systems. It is introduced. Many times aquarists do not realize that they have introduced it because it does not just come in on fish. It can be introduced while in the dormant stage on rocks, coral, anything. That is why it so important to QT ALL new arivals. Without a host ich cannot live.
jlem
Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
No, it's a parasite with a known life cycle....
Ich cannot appear in a tank. It must be introduced.
Your right, but it does not have to coat fish in order to stay in a tank either. It only takes 1 spot here and there to keep it going. So lets just agree to disagree. Of course I would never dare say that your tank has a little white spot lurking around though
No, it's a parasite with a known life cycle....
Ich cannot appear in a tank. It must be introduced.
Your right, but it does not have to coat fish in order to stay in a tank either. It only takes 1 spot here and there to keep it going. So lets just agree to disagree. Of course I would never dare say that your tank has a little white spot lurking around though
jlem
Active Member
Originally Posted by sepulatian
I 100% agree with 1journeyman!!! Ich is not just there in all systems. It is introduced. Many times aquarists do not realize that they have introduced it because it does not just come in on fish. It can be introduced while in the dormant stage on rocks, coral, anything. That is why it so important to QT ALL new arivals. Without a host ich cannot live.
You just stated what I said. It is not in every tank ( my post said that ). I have also read books that range the dormant stage from 6 weeks to months, so unless you know something that the Marine Biologist know ( and they don't even agree ) then no one knows for sure do we. I just don't believe that you can notice a little white dot every time if it is only 1 or 2 and that is all it takes to keep it going in the tank, just like in nature.
Well this is like beating a dead horse so talk to you guys later. Don't you love all the different opinions that make this hobby so great.
I 100% agree with 1journeyman!!! Ich is not just there in all systems. It is introduced. Many times aquarists do not realize that they have introduced it because it does not just come in on fish. It can be introduced while in the dormant stage on rocks, coral, anything. That is why it so important to QT ALL new arivals. Without a host ich cannot live.
You just stated what I said. It is not in every tank ( my post said that ). I have also read books that range the dormant stage from 6 weeks to months, so unless you know something that the Marine Biologist know ( and they don't even agree ) then no one knows for sure do we. I just don't believe that you can notice a little white dot every time if it is only 1 or 2 and that is all it takes to keep it going in the tank, just like in nature.
Well this is like beating a dead horse so talk to you guys later. Don't you love all the different opinions that make this hobby so great.
1journeyman
Active Member
Originally Posted by jlem
Your right, but it does not have to coat fish in order to stay in a tank either. It only takes 1 spot here and there to keep it going. So lets just agree to disagree. Of course I would never dare say that your tank has a little white spot lurking around though
Ich has a life cycle of around 4 weeks. Now, there are reported cases of it occasionally going into some sort of cyst and lasting longer.
The point is, if you QT your fish and they show no signs of ich then you can add them to your display with no fear of adding ich.
This all is IF you practice proper QT procedures. If you do not then sure you could accidentally add ich to your display and until you remove all of the fish and allow the display to be fallow for 4-6 weeks you're always going to have ich in your tank.
Not trying to argue with you, but I want the original poster and other readers of this thread to understand ich. It is a completely avoidable scourge.
sepulatian
Moderator
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Ich has a life cycle of around 4 weeks. Now, there are reported cases of it occasionally going into some sort of cyst and lasting longer.
The point is, if you QT your fish and they show no signs of ich then you can add them to your display with no fear of adding ich.
This all is IF you practice proper QT procedures. If you do not then sure you could accidentally add ich to your display and until you remove all of the fish and allow the display to be fallow for 4-6 weeks you're always going to have ich in your tank.
Not trying to argue with you, but I want the original poster and other readers of this thread to understand ich. It is a completely avoidable scourge.
Again, I 100% agree. It is also true that the scientist don't agree. If you look at the facts, it makes perfect sense though. Ich, as a parasite, must be introduced into the system. If you want to go one step further you can Hypo all fish comming in and QT all other inhabitants for 6-8 weeks. I know plenty of people with succesfull systems and no ich whatsoever. And you said
Almost every tank has Some sort of ICH in the system all of the time.
I am not trying to argue with you either, but aquarists should not think that ich is always there and there is nothing to be done about it.
sepulatian
Moderator
Originally Posted by reefermon
would a uv sterlize destroy the ich forever?
No, UV sterilizers only get free floating ich. Ich is only free floating after filling up on your fish before it gets to the bottom to be dormant and then multiply. Hyposalinity or copper is the only two ways to treat ich. Being the ich is in your display, do you have any inverts, LR, LS, corals, mushrooms etc?
would a uv sterlize destroy the ich forever?
No, UV sterilizers only get free floating ich. Ich is only free floating after filling up on your fish before it gets to the bottom to be dormant and then multiply. Hyposalinity or copper is the only two ways to treat ich. Being the ich is in your display, do you have any inverts, LR, LS, corals, mushrooms etc?