Please Help The Slow Kid!

dagzag

New Member
I have looked at and read as many post as I could and I have learned alot, but I still feel uneasy about jumping into this hobby. I would really like to know what I need to get started, mind you I am the slow kid and I need as many details as I can get. my budget does not really have a limit but I have 300 dollar to start and if thats not enough I am willing to spend more. To start what size tank,filter,etc....
 

leopard_babe

Active Member
depending on the size tank and type of filters you want you might need more then 300. I am not good about telling you what is the less expensive way to go. i will give this question a shot. Anyone else can jump in at anytime.
 

chris17

Member
I am no expert but I will try my best, answer these questions to help everybody out , so they can help you better.....
What size aquarium would you like to have??
Do you want live rock in it or not??
Will it be a aggresive tank or a reef tank( community tank )??
What kind of fish or inverts do you want???
Do you already have a tank and stand??
If you answer these few questions and post the reply, I will be able to help you out even more, along with every body else..............talk to ya later............:)
 

leopard_babe

Active Member
You need to decide what kind of tank you want. A FOWLR: is a fish only with live rock. Or a reef, which has different marine creatures that are not fish. If you want to know more about reef tanks check out the reef forum. i don't know how to explain it.
Just for the record I usually buy the best of the best, or start with something cheap and slowly add the more high tech, or more expensive things to my tank. y prices might be a little off. this hobby takes patients. It is great. Just look at some of the pictures on this site. that should give you reason enough to want to be in this hobby. Here goes:
1 tank
Size is up to you. My theory the bigger the better. A bigger tank to starts saves you money in the long run. I started with a 46 and now I have a 180. When I move out I want a 200+
1 stand
1 filter (there are 2 types a wet/dry and a canister)
I have a wet dry (with a protein skimmer, I'll get to that in a minute). My filter was probably about $150 + the protein skimmer. I don't know anything about canister filters. I think that is a cheaper way to go for starter, but I am NOT sure. You will have to ask someone else about canister filters.
Protein skimmer (optional)
You DO NOT need this right off of the bat. I had one from the begining, and I am glad that I bought it. It takes all of the protein out of your tank, by producing bubbles, and then it spits the proetin into a little cup. You need to empy the cup. I do that once a day. I HIGHLY recomend one, but I don't think that you need one right away.
1 heater
My heater was about $20
Lights
My tank was about $300 with the stand and came with lights.
Substrate
This is what you want to put in the bottom of the tank. I have something called live sand, you can also have crushed coral. You can also make your own live sand which is cheaper, however I have never done that. I bought three 20lbs bags of live sand which cost about $50-$60 bucks.
Live rock
You can put live rock in your tank. This can occationaly be expensive, but the fish love to hide in it. I have slowly added more rock to my tank as time has gone on.
Optional things (these are things I have added to my tank over time)
Powerhead
Depending on the kind of tank that you want, and they type of fish, you might like to have one of these. it helps the water circulation. I bought a cheap one to start off with, and it was like $20. I lost several fish due to ot enough oxygen/circulation in the water. So I purchased one of thse, and it helped me a lot.
Ro/di water
THis is something to take note of. There have been some disputes on this board about water. I feel that you should use ro/di water. i have VERY CLEAN tap water, but I noticed the water in my tank being much clearer after I started to use Ro/di. You can get it for like 30 cents a gallon at meijer. When I filled my tank I used tap water and added a chemical that took out the chlorine. Ro/di reverse osmosis/distilled. If you do use tap water you HAVE TO add a dechlorinator.
Test kit
You will need to use a test to check the levels in your tank. The important levels to check in a FOWLR are:
- Ph
- Nitrite
- Nitrate
- Ammonia
You will often here people say what are your level? These are the levels they are talking about.
hydrometer
this measures the specific gravity of the tank. That means how much salt is in the tank. You should have your salt at 1.021-1.025, this number will very from person to person. i find that my fish like the water best at about 1.023.
Salt
I buy already mixed saltwater from my lfs (local fish store). You will need to mix the salt in the water to create the "saltwater fish tank".
I hope this helps (HTH). If you have any futher questions let us know. Just so you know this hobby is not cheap. I am not saying that it ha to be expensive, but if you want to spend just $300 it might be kind of hard. I am constantly buying new things for my tank.
Leopard
 

donmgicwon

Member

Originally posted by Leopard_babe
1 tank
Size is up to you. I started with a 46 and now I have a 180. When I move out I want a 200+
My tank was about $300 with the stand and came with lights.
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Where on earth did you get a 180 w/stand and lights for $300.00?
:D
 

leopard_babe

Active Member
My 46 bow was 300.
My 180w/stand was $450 plus the $150 canopy.
I am a bargin shopper when it comes to the BIG tanks. I know a couple of websites that I was looking at. When I told my lfs I was gonna get my tank on line he said he would met any price. So I found it at a LFS. The tank was 300 and the stand was 150. Or something like that. The canopy I had to get made seperately.
 

nacl-man

Member
I think the first thing will be to decide what size tank you want to start on. That really determines how much you need to spend on equipment.
A 55 gallon is usually around the range people like to start w/ IME.
FOWLR (fish only live rock) is a popular route to go.
A quickly thought-out list of how I would start...
1) the cost of the tank and stand, whatever that is where you live. the tank should come with lights to get you going. if at all possible get one with a built in overflow... trust me you will thank yourself later. those are usually in the 75 gallon or up range.
2) Live rock, about $200.00 to $300.00 if you buy all 50+ pounds online. Personally, if I had it to do over again, I would get about (in your case) 40 pounds of base rock and purchase 20-40 pounds of live rock from this site. That will help defray the cost. (numbers are if you want a 55, need more rock the bigger the tank gets)
3) A couple of power-heads, for a 55 two Maxi-Jet 900's will be great, that is about $40.00 give or take plus some lower powered ones to put behind your rockwork... another $20.00 or $30.00
4) Substrate, 'dead' sand is OK. or be the cool guy on your block and go bottomless! (not literally, the tank, the tank).. you could go all live sand which would kick butt but also drain your pocket book.
5) Skimmer, don't skimp here but it isn't needed right away IMO. That'll be about $200.00 - $300.00 down the line, once you upgrade to a sump.
6) A hang on filter for mechanical and chemical media, lets call it $50.00. You will throw this out once you upgrade to a sump. Which will cost another couple of hundred for the over flow and all the plumbing and the pump...
7) Let's not even start with the test kits / salt mix, ro/di units, and all that mess you need... i think Lepord_Babe is covering those bases... call that another $300.00
This hobby isn't cheap! But it is great in the long run. Take a word of advice from someone who has been there: don't buy the cheap stuff when you start... you'll only end up wasting money when you buy the good stuff later. Also, seriously consider setting up with a sump from the get go.
 

dagzag

New Member
I do not have a tank, but I have looked at a couple of pet stores and only one had a saltwater tank you could buy with all the set up. It came with a 27 gallon tank, hood and light, undergavel filter system, a filter with a proten scmr, crushed coral, and $25 for fish and a few other things like a net etc... for 700 dollars I thought that might be a little high but I was not sure, I would like to have live rock in a tank but I really don't know how big a tank I should get
 

leopard_babe

Active Member
Totally I spent 1000 on my first set up. The filter is what made it expensive. My tank was 46 bowfront.
You cannot have an undergavel filter in a saltwater fish tank. I feel that 700 is alot for what you have described. I will read what you have posted again.
I guess if I were to price it out it could be worth it. You will have to get a different filter. I think that if you bought everything seperate then it would cost about $500 then a filter. Does this set up come with a stand?
 

leopard_babe

Active Member
Yay NACl man. Someone who agrees with me. I believe that we have covered many things. I am sure that you have questions, so don't be afraid to ask.
 
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essop3

Guest
That is too high for a 29 gallon. A high lfs here sells a 75 for 990. These guys are pretty close. I would count on $1000 for a 55-75 gallon setup. I've got about $1500, give or take, in my 125.
do a search for 007's saltwater 101. he is doing a really good weekly series.
 

donmgicwon

Member

Originally posted by essop3
. I would count on $1000 for a 55-75 gallon setup. I've got about $1500, give or take, in my 125.

Wow, three months in and I already have over $3000.00 in my set up. I bargain shopped like crazy (the dutch in me) and got the tank and stand + 4-20# bags of LS for free.
 

squidd

Active Member
Instead of looking at What "kind" of tank you want or What "size" you want, you may want to ask yourself "What kind of FISH" do I want to put in my tank...
By choosing your inhabitants FIRST you can avoid a lot of the pitfalls of having a tank that is too small (they'll outgrow it) or the incorrect lighting (anemones don't do well under N.O. lights) or the wrong filtration system (you probably don't want UV lights or Mechanical filtration on a REEF but they do well on a FOWLR)
This should help you in narrowing down the many choices out there.
And you'll end up with the tank you want rather than finding inhabitants for the tank you got...
 

nacl-man

Member
Squidd...
I agree, however when first starting out the size of the tank determines the total initial cost. Let's face it, a 125 is going to cost a heck of a lot more than a 55. You can always upgrade lights and such later, and a 55 is a very decent starter tank IMO. You do make a good point though, and if you are sure you will like the hobby then by all means get the right size tank for the critters you want.
Of course, if money is no object (and whoever says that is either totally loaded or has insane credit card debt), get a 200 gallon and call it a day :)
Not flaming ya' just saying that the initial outlay of cash is a very important thing to think about for the new hobbyist, heck they may not even like it!
 

latino277

Member
i agree with Squidd.
you need to ask your self what is a must have for my tank. my was a blond naso tang. so I needed a long tank.
I then asked my self where do I want to put this thing. I found a 7' wall that my wife wanted me to put a fake fire place... so much for that idea!!!!

and that is how my 125 came about.
 

leopard_babe

Active Member
. i like that. My mom was like this wall is so bare, what can I put there. I was like well my 180 can go there. That is how I got my 180.
 
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