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rainbow grouper

rainbow grouper

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so the english government cut the funding for youths and youth clubs and stuff and benefits by 70%! And then sit there wondering why theres been much more theft lately da what a no brainer there bored of course, and i know that doesnt make it right but still it calls out the stupidity of the government . p lease politics. Also in england and in most countries its impossible not to break the law as the it is illegal to knowingly fund terrorists and by the english definition of a terrorist the goverment are terrorists, and paying taxes is funding the government you are knowingly funding terrorism. So to keep to law you have to break the law what is with that
 
beth

beth

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Grouper, just asking, why are you so anti-government, police, etc? Its interesting to see that, though I'm not sure its the healthiest way to think and live. Since you come from England, it is interesting to see other people's perspective. Is this a common perspective in England, or your perspective?
Our understanding of what is happening in England, like the USA, is that we are having economic problems and debt problems, which is why you see that social programs are being slashed. Essentially, both our governments have overspent, gone in to debt, and now the debt is over our heads and its time to pay up. This will mean a lot less extras, such as social programs, for citizens.
You will find many on this forum that feel that parents should take responsibility for their children's upbringing, not the government creating programs for youth. If you think about it, prior to 50 years ago, there was no such thing as youth programs---and somehow kids managed to grow up without being delinquents. Myself included.
 
flower

flower

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Originally Posted by rainbow grouper http:///t/387800/politics-honetly#post_3414959
so the english government cut the funding for youths and youth clubs and stuff and benefits by 70%! And then sit there wondering why theres been much more theft lately da what a no brainer there bored of course, and i know that doesnt make it right but still it calls out the stupidity of the government . p lease politics. Also in england and in most countries its impossible not to break the law as the it is illegal to knowingly fund terrorists and by the english definition of a terrorist the goverment are terrorists, and paying taxes is funding the government you are knowingly funding terrorism. So to keep to law you have to break the law what is with that
Well, I'm not much into politics, but I really scratched my head on this one.
Do young people really resort to theft becasuse they are ..bored???? and it's the Governments fault....really??? Why would you think government is terrorism?
We fund the government so they can regulate where the money is best spent on the country. Roads, careing for the elderly and sick, protection, such as fire fighters, police, soldiers and such. We also allow them to keep a pretty penny to do so.
Sometimes the government doesn't spend it as wisely as some folks think they should and sometimes they take more than the pretty penny they already feel entitled to, so the political bashing begins....but terrorism????
 
mantisman51

mantisman51

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It's hard to guess what grouper is thinking, but I know a few folks in Merry Old England who have said that the average Briton feels alienated in their own country. They have imported a huge number of people from a continent south of Europe who live 100% on government assistance and absolutely hate England and the British and are quite vocal about it, while their government cracks down harder and harder on the British people. A large section of London now has street signs calling it "Londonistan". Meanwhile the government has a PR campaign calling the British hateful and racist and that they need to be more tolerant. So they are in effect being turned into strangers in their own country. I get the anger and alienation, but like the last riots showed, they are playing into the hands of the people that want to overthrow the government and install a Shariah system in its place. The entrenched bureaucracy is definitely not sympathetic to the British people, but will move mountains for the newcomers. I have no ideas for a solution. England is a country on the edge of oblivion-the absolute end of an empire and the real cradle of Western Civilization.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/387800/politics-honetly#post_3414975
It's hard to guess what grouper is thinking, but I know a few folks in Merry Old England who have said that the average Briton feels alienated in their own country. They have imported a huge number of people from a continent south of Europe who live 100% on government assistance and absolutely hate England and the British and are quite vocal about it, while their government cracks down harder and harder on the British people. A large section of London now has street signs calling it "Londonistan". Meanwhile the government has a PR campaign calling the British hateful and racist and that they need to be more tolerant. So they are in effect being turned into strangers in their own country. I get the anger and alienation, but like the last riots showed, they are playing into the hands of the people that want to overthrow the government and install a Shariah system in its place. The entrenched bureaucracy is definitely not sympathetic to the British people, but will move mountains for the newcomers. I have no ideas for a solution. England is a country on the edge of oblivion-the absolute end of an empire and the real cradle of Western Civilization.
I know several in England myself, They dont feel alienated...but they are a tad worried about the budget and immigration issue.
Grouper is the exception, not the norm.
 
rainbow grouper

rainbow grouper

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well the government in england has taken over. We have practically no say in what happens whatever the government says is what happens full stop. The government in england pays attention to themselves and only themselves also the government are taking into account the foreigners say and ignore the british citizens and most of us are getting pretty tired of it. My mum and dad are also very anti politics as well and by the legal definition of terrorism in england the government are terrorists, and well the funding bit its a new generation there use to what they had and what they had was clubs where they can go out and have fun. You get very few kids who stay near there homes most are aloud wherever they want and thats what there use to.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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I grew up literally in the middle of an oil field. We didn't need a government program to stay out of trouble, more or less. It isn't like we ever would have thought of steeling or vandalizing because we were bored. When I hit high school we moved to the city, There was a park which we never hung out at. No after school programs. Same deal, we found things to do that didn't involve taking or destroying other people's property. Maybe me and those I hung out with were just raised better....
 
mantisman51

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I agree Reef. I was raised poor as could be on a small farm. When I say poor, I mean very, very poor. Not today's DVD/Xbox/LCD tv poor. I went to school with other kids who had everything the other kids of the 70's and 80's had, but I never stole or looted or did drugs because I didn't have what everyone else had. However, being treated with suspicion like a stranger while a foreign invasion takes place, is something we haven't experienced. Sure we have illegal immigration, but being almost all of us are from immigrants, it isn't the same. I don't justify the crime, but I understand the anger. It's easy for us conservatives to lay down the law and order line, but it really isn't that simple in England.
 
rainbow grouper

rainbow grouper

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/387800/politics-honetly#post_3415041
I agree Reef. I was raised poor as could be on a small farm. When I say poor, I mean very, very poor. Not today's DVD/Xbox/LCD tv poor. I went to school with other kids who had everything the other kids of the 70's and 80's had, but I never stole or looted or did drugs because I didn't have what everyone else had. However, being treated with suspicion like a stranger while a foreign invasion takes place, is something we haven't experienced. Sure we have illegal immigration, but being almost all of us are from immigrants, it isn't the same. I don't justify the crime, but I understand the anger. It's easy for us conservatives to lay down the law and order line, but it really isn't that simple in England.
thank you mantis but as far as kids go i say it again diffrent gen diffrent people
 
beth

beth

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Also if you are saying that to me same to you you haven't the foggiest idea about britain
Agree with that. Which is why I was asking about it.
British vote in their government.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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thank you mantis but as far as kids go i say it again diffrent gen diffrent people
The only difference is the entitlement mentallity of today. Sounds to me like the "kids" are crying because they had their ball taken away. So they decide to throw rocks instead....
 
reefraff

reefraff

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It isn't just kids, there were plenty of adults protesting when the retirement age was raised to GULP! 60 years old.
 
beth

beth

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I'm afriad it is the growing pains of a socialist society.
Nice to have all the services and benefits for a few decades, but then it all comes crashing down. Our turn next.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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It's like the US and Social Security. It was create as old age pension at at time when the average life expectancy for a male adult was 1 year younger than the age when you could start collecting social security. It was NEVER intended to be your source of retirement income, it was to supplement personal savings. The excess taxes collected for the program was spent rather than invested
Now people expect it to support them in their old age. We give it to people who never paid into the system, the age limit hasn't come close to keeping up with life expectancy increases.
But now you talk about reforming the system so it will be around in 20 years and the Greed Geezers aka AARP has a cow. Well, there isn't a choice. Cold hard economics demonstrate that when you have X number of people set to retire collecting X amount of money and only Y amount of money coming into the system something has got to change. It isn't going to make anyone happy.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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It isn't just kids, there were plenty of adults protesting when the retirement age was raised to GULP! 60 years old.
Well....with people living longer that is expected...as the money set aside for retirement can no longer be equal to the number of years people are living. The alternative is go back to dying earlier......which do you prefer? Or a massive cut in the government provided healthcare to transfer those funds into retirement.......
What would you choose? Live longer and retire later or retire early and die by age 65 on average.
 
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