Predator Hunting

[jmick]

Let me start this out by saying that I am in no way against hunting if the animals in the given area are way over populated and they are the general prey items of the given area (deer, elk, various birds, rabbit, etc).
However, I do think it is wrong for people to kill predators (bears, wolves, lions, birds of prey, etc). Why, because they are the ones that keep most "game" animals in check and when you take them out of the ecosystem it throws off the balance. Here in the Midwest there are way too many deer and vermin because the majority of the top of the food chain predators are gone. Most of these animal pose little or no threat to us. Occasionally you hear about a coyote who killed someone’s little dog who was chained up outside. Well that is on you, if you live in an area like this then you should either get a larger dog or a fence so you don’t have to chain up your dog and make it defenseless.
On top of all of this, there is little sport in sitting in a tree stand all day waiting for an animal to get into range so you can blast it at 20 yards. If you want to make it a true hunt you should stalk your prey and at least give it a chance rather then blasting it while it is clueless of your presence.

 

[darthtang aw]

I agree...deer stand hunting is lame....Did this once and it was just an excuse to sit in a tree and drink alcohol and hope to get to shoot at something that walks under you.

 

[kclester]

lol you guys really dont have a idea of what your saying.....i just think its ammuseing how ignorant yall are about the subject but yet you continue to talk crap about it.....and the word "blast" is stretching the truth i would like to see you make a 40- 50 yard shot with a bow its not exactly reffered to as BLAST and i dont know about where you live hut here in WV bears are not predators they are herbavors but continue thinking what you like

 

[mike22cha]

I believe bears are omnivores.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by kclester
lol you guys really dont have a idea of what your saying.....i just think its ammuseing how ignorant yall are about the subject but yet you continue to talk crap about it.....and the word "blast" is stretching the truth i would like to see you make a 40- 50 yard shot with a bow its not exactly reffered to as BLAST and i dont know about where you live hut here in WV bears are not predators they are herbavors but continue thinking what you like

Very few hunters use bow as to gun. And sitting in a tree stand with a gun is not hunting. Stalking your prey is. I have done it. I will admit, bow hunting is totally different and you have to get close with a bow. But stand "hunting" with a gun when the target walks under you is not hunting. Just my opinion.

 

[kclester]

you are right gun hunting is VERY easy and it does take alot of the sport out of it but i do use a bow and thats all i use...............and jmick you need to read this
http://animals.about.com/od/carnivor...canblackbe.htm
just read the diet part and the KEY word is rarely

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by kclester
you are right gun hunting is VERY easy and it does take alot of the sport out of it but i do use a bow and thats all i use...............and jmick you need to read this
http://animals.about.com/od/carnivor...canblackbe.htm
just read the diet part and the KEY word is rarely

Even if 2% of their over all diet is deer fawn that 2% could be anywhere from 2-10 a year. They are opportunistic and will eat what is available and if they stumble onto a baby deer you better bet they are going to eat it. On top of this, they will also eat sick and weakened animals, which is good for the over all population.
Anwer me this, do you think it is good for the ecosystem to kill them if their numbers are not to high? Also, if their numbers are high then why is that so?

 

[russy pelican]

Bears and coyotes become overpopulated and nuicance (sp) animals, and need to be hunted or control-killed in some areas. Birds of prey and big cats are far too fragile to become problematic population-wise. And for what it's worth, I've deer hunted from a tree stand for almost 30 years and have only shot one deer that way. If you think deer just walk right up to you, you are ignorant about hunting.

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Russy Pelican
Bears and coyotes become overpopulated and nuicance (sp) animals, and need to be hunted or control-killed in some areas. Birds of prey and big cats are far too fragile to become problematic population-wise. And for what it's worth, I've deer hunted from a tree stand for almost 30 years and have only shot one deer that way. If you think deer just walk right up to you, you are ignorant about hunting.
I agree that they both can become nuisence animals if they are allowed to. If you live in Bear country then don't leave your garbage out at night so they can get into it. If you live in an area that has a high population of Coyotes then don't chain you little dog outside at night and if you do and it become coyote food then that's on you for not having a proper fence or a bigger dog.
If you are a good shot and have a quality rifle then 40 yards is close enough to consider it walking right up to you. I have a good friend who hunts who had a deer come up to within 15 feet from him, he shot it in the neck and the slug ended up in the back side of the deer.

 

[kclester]

russy made a great point but to anser your question if their numbers are Low then its not a smart idea to kill a bear but hwere i live they have really started to thrive in the last 6-10 years numbers have increased alot....but if the numbers are low they wont be many bears killed anyways because they are alot around here and they were only a handful in county that i live in were killed so if they were low numbers then they would be many killed anyways but not its not a good ide.....and its NEVER a good idea to show a sow with cubs or a sow period....its the hunters responsibility to make sure of the gender of the bear sows should never be killed.......but you are not totattly in the wrong i the numbers are low then i think the hunter needs to make the decision to not shot the bear even if it is a true tropphy......but when they have good numbers and the season is in then in my opinion there is nothgn wrong with it

 

[russy pelican]

Originally Posted by Jmick
If you live in Bear country then don't leave your garbage out at night so they can get into it. If you live in an area that has a high population of Coyotes then don't chain you little dog outside at night and if you do and it become coyote food then that's on you for not having a proper fence or a bigger dog.
I live in bear country, OBVIOUSLY you don't put your garbage out until the morning of trash pickup. But I have had my garage door torn apart by a bear trying to get into it, as well as a fence torn apart because they smelled bird seed from a feeder. When they get overpopulated, they starve, so forage anywhere for food, and become dangerous and destructive. They MUST be thinned in my county.
Originally Posted by Jmick
If you are a good shot and have a quality rifle then 40 yards is close enough to consider it walking right up to you. I have a good friend who hunts who had a deer come up to within 15 feet from him, he shot it in the neck and the slug ended up in the back side of the deer.
That's a nice anecdotal story, but not how hunting in western NC works. The forests are thick and the terrain hilly, a high powered rifle is of no more use than a shotgun, and the deer are "spooky." Stalking or hunting from the ground would never bring you a kill. Never. I'm sure in some areas, stand hunting would be considered unsportsmanlike, but not here.

 

[earlybird]

Lets add sharks to that list.

 

[reefreak29]

i would like to know why its ok to hunt animals(witch im totally against) but its against the law to fight dogs and roosters. or if a child kills an animal he might be a serial killer some day but its ok for adults

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by kclester
lol you guys really dont have a idea of what your saying.....i just think its ammuseing how ignorant yall are about the subject but yet you continue to talk crap about it.....and the word "blast" is stretching the truth i would like to see you make a 40- 50 yard shot with a bow its not exactly reffered to as BLAST and i dont know about where you live hut here in WV bears are not predators they are herbavors but continue thinking what you like
Kinda silly to tell people they don't know what they are talking about, then mis-classify an ominvore as an herbavore...

 

[earlybird]

I think it's okay to kill animals as long as they don't have a name. Just kidding. I had someone tell me the other day that Vick should get 20 yrs. People are crazy.
I don't hunt but have no problem with those who do. It's still in our nature.
I don't mind telling you guys. I killed a mosquito this moring but it was self defense.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Russy Pelican
Bears and coyotes become overpopulated and nuicance (sp) animals, and need to be hunted or control-killed in some areas. Birds of prey and big cats are far too fragile to become problematic population-wise. And for what it's worth, I've deer hunted from a tree stand for almost 30 years and have only shot one deer that way. If you think deer just walk right up to you, you are ignorant about hunting.
predators do not become over populated unless man has done something to mess up the environment and somehow is artificially feeding them.

 

[earlybird]

Don't get me started on feeding these guys. Had a guy get busted for feeding a gator down my canal. They killed the gator instead of the man. I think he got fined.
Not a predator but there are a lot of people in FL that feed manatees. Drives me nuts. I'm a boater and follow all laws regarding manatee zones and slow speeds but it's boaters that get the blame for manatee deaths. All because Dorris bought some fancy lettuce to feed the manatee and letting them know that boats provide food. Stupid people.

 

[earlybird]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Kinda silly to tell people they don't know what they are talking about, then mis-classify an ominvore as an herbavore...
That's a carrot right?

 

[kclester]

i said their diet was 90% plants and such when pretty much considers them herbanours but i didnt say they DOnt eat me maybe you should read where this post origanly came from......its just the facts bear are basically herbavours yea they do eat meat which does make them an omnivore but all im saying is the 90 % of their diest is plants and such 5 % meat 5% bugs and such and there is NOTHING wrong with hunting it is natural your late late relatives would not have survivrd if it wasnt from hunting its just the way i chose to live my life.....most of the people around here grew up hunting and they take great pride in it....and i would love for some city slicker or anyone for that matter to come here and tell me i cant go hunting so bad things would go on around here if they ever passed the law to make it illegal to hunt

 

[veni vidi vici]

Since the beggining of man we have hunted for food so why is it wrong now?
Genesis 9:3
3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
Deuteronomy 12:15
15 Nevertheless, you may slaughter your animals in any of your towns and eat as much of the meat as you want, as if it were gazelle or deer, according to the blessing the LORD your God gives you. Both the ceremonially unclean and the clean may eat it.
And BTW we are the top of the food chain. The thing that seperates us from the rest of the animals on this planet is awareness of self and the superior ability to adapt and survive via sharp sticks or high powered rifles.
And my favorite quote from Ted Nugent "Rack um And Stack Um" BTW whos wearing leather shoes ,aligator wallet,ostrich boots and had hamburger for lunch?