Professional Sports Players Who Self Destruct!

[vpotts28]

Originally Posted by seasalt101
never saw the babe play although i seriously respect his homeruns more than anyone elses the avg. llifespan of a baseball today in the mlb is less than 5 pitches back then they used them till you could not even recognise the baseball as a baseball they must of been pretty mushy very hard to hit a homerun with, and i do not know if he won any cy young or golden glove awards...tobin

Can't really call Babe Ruth in to this. The guy played 22 Seasons, had a career batting average of .342, 714 HRs, had two seasons of 20 wins or more, and a career ERA of 2.28. See if any current or future baseballs ever see those numbers. It is unbelievable. The greatest baseball player of all time, and most recognizable.

 

[ice4ice]

Originally Posted by crimzy
Ocean... not sure I understand Clinton Portis and AI???
What about Lawrence Taylor? Tommy Morrison? Magic Johnson?
How do you figured Magic self-destructed ? Yes - he had AIDS from sleeping around but I wouldn't say he self-destructed ...
Oh yeah - LT self-destructed big time.

 

[crimzy]

Originally Posted by Vpotts28
Can't really call Babe Ruth in to this. The guy played 22 Seasons, had a career batting average of .342, 714 HRs, had two seasons of 20 wins or more, and a career ERA of 2.28. See if any current or future baseballs ever see those numbers. It is unbelievable. The greatest baseball player of all time, and most recognizable.
Yes but he never faced the likes of Bob Gibson, Satchell Paige or the multitude of international players in todays game. His stats are tainted because, in his era, he did not play against all of the best players.

 

[seasalt101]

Originally Posted by crimzy
Yes but he never faced the likes of Bob Gibson, Satchell Paige or the multitude of international players in todays game. His stats are tainted because, in his era, he did not play against all of the best players.
and on the same note those players mentioned never faced the babe it isn't fantasy baseball here...tobin

 

[seasalt101]

1st thanks for the babes stats i knew they were good but i forgot how good, and all the old school baseball talk made me think of ty cobb he fell apart pretty good too...tobin

 

[vpotts28]

Originally Posted by seasalt101
1st thanks for the babes stats i knew they were good but i forgot how good, and all the old school baseball talk made me think of ty cobb he fell apart pretty good too...tobin
Well the thread here is players who have self destructed. Ty Cobb played 24 seasons, yes he was nuts, but he loved the game. Ty Cobb and Babe Ruth are untouchable. Cobb career .366 BA, 4189 Hits, that is disgusting.

 

[seasalt101]

yeah when i was a kid i got ejected from more than 1 game for going in spikes up i know that passion to win, but ty his own team hated him i'm sure you knew that though...tobin

 

[ocean1st]

Originally Posted by Vpotts28
Well the thread here is players who have self destructed. Ty Cobb played 24 seasons, yes he was nuts, but he loved the game. Ty Cobb and Babe Ruth are untouchable. Cobb career .366 BA, 4189 Hits, that is disgusting.

Not that you can or should take away any of the accomplishments of the older baseball players..... but the majority of the pitches they saw were ... fastball fastball fastball fast ball , slower fastball, fastball.
The Curve, slider, knuckle, splitter, fork, change up, and screwball werent really around back then.

 

[vpotts28]

Originally Posted by crimzy
Yes but he never faced the likes of Bob Gibson, Satchell Paige or the multitude of international players in todays game. His stats are tainted because, in his era, he did not play against all of the best players.
Its easy to say well Satchell Paige was better than those pitchers who came before him, because some of us saw them play. But Babe played against pitchers like Walter Johnson 417 wins (2nd all time), Grover Alexander 373 wind (3rd all time), Christy Mathewson 373 Wins (4th all time). Granted those pitchers pitched more often there wasn't a 5 man rotation, they pitched every other day. Bob Gibson did the same thing though. But the type of pitches have evolved since then, the Babe didn't get to face nasty pitches.

 

[seasalt101]

Originally Posted by Ocean1st
Not that you can or should take away any of the accomplishments of the older baseball players..... but the majority of the pitches they saw were ... fastball fastball fastball fast ball , slower fastball, fastball.
The Curve, slider, knuckle, splitter, fork, change up, and screwball werent really around back then.
but like i stated earlier the balls were so beat up so there was not alot of choice in delivery i doubt they were even round which would do who knows what to a pitch...tobin

 

[vpotts28]

Originally Posted by seasalt101
yeah when i was a kid i got ejected from more than 1 game for going in spikes up i know that passion to win, but ty his own team hated him i'm sure you knew that though...tobin
He was a nasty ol' man, dirty as can be. He made people fear him, and I love it. I wish he were playing today with these prima donnas. I want to see Jeter cry when Ty came sliding into second, with a spike to the groin.

 

[seasalt101]

man you ain't kidding i think are closest example of will to win but without the dirty side was pete rose man seeing jeter get one oh yeah pause rewind play pause rewind play all day long...tobin

 

[vpotts28]

Here is a name from the past. Those of us who remember. There was a kid drafted by the Phoenix Suns in '91 his name was Richard Dumas. Rookie season he averaged 15 ppg, and had sick talent. He was banned the entire next year for drugs. He played two more seasons, but never could get it together. Drugs and Alcohol took it all away. He was on sportscenter highlights every night. Could have had it all.

 

[seasalt101]

what ever happened to mark fidrich the bird same thing when he pitched he won then poof he was gone...tobin

 

[rylan1]

Dumas was sick...
Len Bias has got to be #1...
Marcus Vick... not so much Michael.
what about Vin Baker??

 

[vpotts28]

Originally Posted by seasalt101
what ever happened to mark fidrich the bird same thing when he pitched he won then poof he was gone...tobin
The Bird was just nuts.

 

[vpotts28]

What About Dennis Rodman?????

 

[seasalt101]

Originally Posted by Vpotts28
What About Dennis Rodman?????
good call man your area of the country man and me being from cali everyone saying i was from the land of fruits and nuts hmmmmm...tobin

 

[crimzy]

Does the Cincinnati Bengals count here?

 

[vpotts28]

Originally Posted by crimzy
Does the Cincinnati Bengals count here?
Absolutely