Prop 8

jennythebugg

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every time i have this convo with anyone they will say it will affect how much i pay in insurance and taxes but they never elaborate..i guess im dense or something, i need the elaboration
 

socal57che

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There is a photographer in New Mexico that was sued for refusing to photograph a homosexual couple's union. The photographer lost.
If a gay couple enters a church, mosque, or synagogue and they are denied being married by that entity, they can and will sue them. Religious organizations will either compromise their beliefs or give up their tax exempt status at the very least. Even without the tax exempt status, they are still open to law suits. Refer to the precident set by the case against the photographer.
The opportunity for people to sue the church out of existence is becoming a possibility.
People that have come to Ca to be married are returning to their home states and contesting their home states position of not recognizing their marriage. A first grade class here in Ca was taken to witness a gay wedding as a field trip. I, for one, don't want the school teaching my kids that homosexuality is right and good. I reserve the right to make that decision.
 

m0nk

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Originally Posted by jennythebugg
http:///forum/post/2827126
every time i have this convo with anyone they will say it will affect how much i pay in insurance and taxes but they never elaborate..i guess im dense or something, i need the elaboration

I don't see how it would affect either of those. Taxes don't increase based on how many people file as married, and insurance would only keep from getting more expensive (in their annual increases) if more people signed up on the same company, regardless if it's at a couples rate. These people must just not know what they're talking about.
 

aquaknight

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This has been one of the funniest things in a long time. California voted a resounding no to overturn the ban on gay marriage and Florida voted a big yes to define marriage as between one man and one women.
But yet somehow, this was one of Obama's key political stances and he won both states. Wow....
 

jdl

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Originally Posted by jennythebugg
http:///forum/post/2827115
you know i think that the ban would make more sense to me if someone could explain how a gay marriage is gonna affect anyone other than the folks that are getting married

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ballot_measures
why do gay couples want to get married anyway? Why does anyone want to get married? The fantasy of marriage may seem wonderful and perfect, but in todays society, 2 people can be super happy without claiming to the world that they are married.
 

jennythebugg

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hmm good one AK , well a class trip shouldnt be taken to anyones wedding gay or straight thats just dumb, but if they would just legalize gay marriage there are plenty of churches that would marry them and places would pop up specializing in gay marriage wouldn't that actually help our economy a little bit ?
 

jennythebugg

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Originally Posted by JDL
http:///forum/post/2827154
why do gay couples want to get married anyway? Why does anyone want to get married? The fantasy of marriage may seem wonderful and perfect, but in todays society, 2 people can be super happy without claiming to the world that they are married.

I know i was super happy with my tobin and we were not married , but why should they be denied the right to get married if they want to?
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by JDL
http:///forum/post/2827154
why do gay couples want to get married anyway? Why does anyone want to get married? The fantasy of marriage may seem wonderful and perfect, but in todays society, 2 people can be super happy without claiming to the world that they are married.

Insurance, property rights, inheritance, tax breaks,.. pick one. If you're not legally married (and don't live in a common law state), you have no rights in regards to each others personal property. If your 'spouse' dies, his family can take all his/her belongings and leave you with nothing. You could be deathly ill in the hospital, and your 'spouses' family can keep you from having any contact or being involved with the decisions regarding their health. You could buy a house together, live there for 20 years, but if your spouse is listed as the primary owner, his family can kick you out if he/she dies, and there's nothing you can do. They get the married couple tax breaks, as opposed to single taxes. Most gay couples could care less about the 'formal church ceremony'. That want the legal benefits that are afforded to hetero$exual married couples.
 

coral keeper

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Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2827131
There is a photographer in New Mexico that was sued for refusing to photograph a homosexual couple's union. The photographer lost.
If a gay couple enters a church, mosque, or synagogue and they are denied being married by that entity, they can and will sue them. Religious organizations will either compromise their beliefs or give up their tax exempt status at the very least. Even without the tax exempt status, they are still open to law suits. Refer to the precident set by the case against the photographer.
The opportunity for people to sue the church out of existence is becoming a possibility.
People that have come to Ca to be married are returning to their home states and contesting their home states position of not recognizing their marriage. A first grade class here in Ca was taken to witness a gay wedding as a field trip. I, for one, don't want the school teaching my kids that homosexuality is right and good. I reserve the right to make that decision.
AGREED!
 

aquaknight

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2827178
Insurance, property rights, inheritance, tax breaks,.. pick one. If you're not legally married (and don't live in a common law state), you have no rights in regards to each others personal property. If your 'spouse' dies, his family can take all his/her belongings and leave you with nothing. You could be deathly ill in the hospital, and your 'spouses' family can keep you from having any contact or being involved with the decisions regarding their health. You could buy a house together, live there for 20 years, but if your spouse is listed as the primary owner, his family can kick you out if he/she dies, and there's nothing you can do. They get the married couple tax breaks, as opposed to single taxes. Most gay couples could care less about the 'formal church ceremony'. That want the legal benefits that are afforded to hetero$exual married couples.
If this really was true, there wouldn't be all this business with the term 'marriage.' If they just wanted equate rights, they'd be push for 'equal rights for civil unions."
 

scotts

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8 years ago we passed a law defining marriage as between a man and a woman. It passed with 61% of the vote. This was struck down as unconstitutional so prop 8 was the same working, but a constitional amendment. It passed with 52% of the vote. I told my daughter that in 10 years she will be able to vote and overturn this. She did not trick or treat this year at any houses that had a Yes on 8 sign in the front yard. Sometimes your kids really make you proud.

You know the funny thing they don't tell you about the 1st grade field trip, it was the teacher's wedding. She took the class to her wedding. The superintendent of schools said it was wrong, because the kids should not be taken to any weddings, they should be in school teaching.
You know it is interesting because on the same day that we erased one form of discrimination, we made another form legal.
 

m0nk

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Originally Posted by Scotts
http:///forum/post/2827253
8 years ago we passed a law defining marriage as between a man and a woman. It passed with 61% of the vote. This was struck down as unconstitutional so prop 8 was the same working, but a constitional amendment. It passed with 52% of the vote. I told my daughter that in 10 years she will be able to vote and overturn this. She did not trick or treat this year at any houses that had a Yes on 8 sign in the front yard. Sometimes your kids really make you proud.

You know the funny thing they don't tell you about the 1st grade field trip, it was the teacher's wedding. She took the class to her wedding. The superintendent of schools said it was wrong, because the kids should not be taken to any weddings, they should be in school teaching.
You know it is interesting because on the same day that we erased one form of discrimination, we made another form legal.

 

sharkbait9

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Hmmm. Ok I’ll get flamed for this and that ok, I could not care less.
The problem with gay marriage is not the “gay” part at all, it’s the “marriage” that is the problem.
If gay people want to unit or have “ a union” that’s fine. I don’t think anyone would have a problem with those terms. When you add “gay” and “marriage” together it undermines the sanctity and values of marriage and that is what gets people all worked up.
Its simple as man and wife, not all those clichés, “not adam and steve” and bla bla bla.
Man with women continues life. Not man with man or women and women. Yes, I get it “that’s how life is created marriage does not create life“.
Whether anyone wants to admit to it, this country was founded under very simple “terms” with church leading the way. Yes some people feel so obliged to get on a soap box and spout off their beliefs and what not and that fine, but for those people they fail to realize that more straight couple still want the sanctity and values set forth by being married under the eyes of the lord. So I guess all the straights are wrong and bigots and hateful people?
While the gay community is still a minority. Everyone one else must change and give up their values to appease a few others, where and how is that fair?
Does gay marriage effect me personally?, no not really. Does it affect anyone? Only the gay community.
I work in EMS and the job alone has a more gay work force then any other I am part of, so I work very closely with gay people , and while I listen to people that it does effect, they still have not come up with a valid reason either, at least in my eyes.
Really, why would a gay couple want to be part of a religion that shuns the alterative life style anyway??
You want to be married under the eyes of a belief that shuns your life style???? The answer I most frequently get, we want to change the churches view, I was raised in the “X” religion and want to continue being “X”. Fine answers but not a valid reason to take away and change a whole religion on the principle that it does not suit your life style.
If something does not suite your life style you don’t buy it, you don’t use it, you don’t change it.
You find something that fits and works for your life style.
Mostly, and this is me. We have lost all value in life, we can’t have losers, only winners, everyone gets a trophy, no one leave unhappy.
No should be poor, no one should be rich, everyone should have a house and car and live the American dream, what ever that is now. No more hard work no one has to go out and earn what they want. People have become so self serving and not know what its like to want and know the difference of need.
Life is full of disappointments and kids need to start to learn that again.
Personally I ask people to start to teach your bratty kids before they get too old and learn the hard way and try and rob my house and meet face to face with a 40cal.
 

kingsmith

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Originally Posted by sharkbait9
http:///forum/post/2828235
If gay people want to unit or have “ a union” that’s fine. I don’t think anyone would have a problem with those terms. When you add “gay” and “marriage” together it undermines the sanctity and values of marriage and that is what gets people all worked up.
I don't know I would say the current divorce rate amount of people cheating on eachother and the extreme lack of morals( at least in the traditional religious sense of marriage) has destroyed any sanctity that went hand and hand with the idea of marriage
 

groupergenius

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Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2827131
If a gay couple enters a church, mosque, or synagogue and they are denied being married by that entity, they can and will sue them. Religious organizations will either compromise their beliefs or give up their tax exempt status at the very least. Even without the tax exempt status, they are still open to law suits. Refer to the precident set by the case against the photographer.
The opportunity for people to sue the church out of existence is becoming a possibility.

Isn't it odd that the same group that screams for separation of Church and State so loudly have no quams of having the State shut down the Church.
 

aquaknight

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shartbait, I have said that before. Everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too. I asked why is the gay community stuck on the term 'marriage' and not okay with 'civil union.' They say that regilion and church doesn't matter to them, but when steps are taken to help preserve Church's rights, they are up in arms. I just don't get it either...
Originally Posted by KingSmith
http:///forum/post/2828245
I don't know I would say the current divorce rate amount of people cheating on eachother and the extreme lack of morals( at least in the traditional religious sense of marriage) has destroyed any sanctity that went hand and hand with the idea of marriage
And this is the most common, and yet extremely poorest excuse ever. So if the murder rate in Chicago continues it's upward trend, the sanctity of 'not killing your fellow man' so be done anyway with too?
 

bigarn

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Keep it behind closed doors and not shoved down our throats and i'm fine with it. (I need a barf icon)
 

kingsmith

Member
Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2828249
And this is the most common, and yet extremely poorest excuse ever. So if the murder rate in Chicago continues it's upward trend, the sanctity of 'not killing your fellow man' so be done anyway with too?

Then by that logic if hetrosexuals can break the rules of marriage what does it matter if a homosexual does? Wait I know lets continue to keep people repressed so they are forced to pretend they are strait and further make a mockery of the so called sacred sacrement of marriage.
Prediction: in its continued effort to compromise it values to bring in more members and stay profitable major religous groups will change their stance on Gay being immoral. certaintly would not be the first time
 
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