shinobi9119
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EuroReef or ASM?? Overall, just wanted to see what people think.
Protien skimmer question?
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shinobi9119
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hello kevin havent seen u in a while
stanlalee
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ASM was designed from scratch to be a cheaper alternative to Euroreefs except now there isn't that much difference in price between equavalent models (ASM went up, Euroreef went down) so there is really no reason to chose ASM over Euroreef unless you find it significantly cheaper. Euroreefs are built with better materials.
shinobi9119
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thanks
zman1
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Here are two physical size comparables - Type, Footprint, height, Chamber diameter.
For me about a $120 dollars is still a big difference. This makes ASM 25% less. Less of a difference than it used to be, but still significant...
This is how I chose ASM over Euro reef at the time when I bought my G-4X.
ASM G-4X Skimmer - In Sump
Body Size (in) 8 1/2
Height (in) 30
Footprint (in) 13 x 14
Pump (Sedra) 9000
$359.99 This Site https://www.saltwaterfish.com/
Euro-Reef RS250 Skimmer w/pump
Sump space required for skimmer: 12" x 14"
Height: 30"
Reaction chamber diameter: 8" Reaction chamber
Pump (included): SP5- Euro-Reef modified GEN-X 6000 water pump
Price $478.00 One big online site
Price: $477.99 Another Big online site
Extrusion or Cell Cast who care- As far as I am concerned they could all be white PVC. I adjust mine looking down from the top based on foam level and not through the side. So Cell Cast can be clearer means nothing to me and not worth paying more far it.
For me about a $120 dollars is still a big difference. This makes ASM 25% less. Less of a difference than it used to be, but still significant...
This is how I chose ASM over Euro reef at the time when I bought my G-4X.
ASM G-4X Skimmer - In Sump
Body Size (in) 8 1/2
Height (in) 30
Footprint (in) 13 x 14
Pump (Sedra) 9000
$359.99 This Site https://www.saltwaterfish.com/
Euro-Reef RS250 Skimmer w/pump
Sump space required for skimmer: 12" x 14"
Height: 30"
Reaction chamber diameter: 8" Reaction chamber
Pump (included): SP5- Euro-Reef modified GEN-X 6000 water pump
Price $478.00 One big online site
Price: $477.99 Another Big online site
Extrusion or Cell Cast who care- As far as I am concerned they could all be white PVC. I adjust mine looking down from the top based on foam level and not through the side. So Cell Cast can be clearer means nothing to me and not worth paying more far it.
zman1
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Here is a post
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/200826/skimmer-question#post_1513875
This was when they carried the CS which is the same design for the new lower cost RS model. Basically this allowed them to drop the CS without just dropping the price and make all the the CS owners angry that they had been ripped way off. They don't carry the CS line anymore - I wonder why.
ASM has gone down over the last 18 months and Euro-Reef has dropped a lot with the new RS series but still 25% higher... Maybe the RS is using Extrusion now and definitely lower margins?
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/200826/skimmer-question#post_1513875
This was when they carried the CS which is the same design for the new lower cost RS model. Basically this allowed them to drop the CS without just dropping the price and make all the the CS owners angry that they had been ripped way off. They don't carry the CS line anymore - I wonder why.
ASM has gone down over the last 18 months and Euro-Reef has dropped a lot with the new RS series but still 25% higher... Maybe the RS is using Extrusion now and definitely lower margins?
joncat24
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Euro reef all the way. The rs180 compares to the g4 for only $60 more money. For that you get cell cast acrylic, quick disonnect union, almost twice the air input and a WAY better pump than the sedra pump that comes with the asm. The euroreef modded gen-x pumps are awesome, quiet and powerful with evry low energy consumption.
But before I would buy either of these, I would get an Octopus for way less money and same constuction as euroreef.
But before I would buy either of these, I would get an Octopus for way less money and same constuction as euroreef.
hammerhed7
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I am currently running an ASM mini G on my 46 reef, and I am very happy with it, it is quiet, and skims like nobody's business
zman1
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I am not sure how to compare the sedra 5000 to the Gx4100. Euro-reef customers may expect more since the Rs180 is $100 higher than the ASM4 on one of the sites I used earlier that sells both. However, Euro-reef sold Sedra for years too.
However, there are post after post about how loud the Gen X are on another very very large hobby site like this one - One refered them as a train and other is-
"the eheim 1262 is $265 from euro-reef, and worth every penny.
I replaced my loud gen X 4100 pump with it and I'm very happy.
it does seem to generate a different size bubble though and subsequently needs to be adjusted differently than the Gen-X.
I was so impressed that I bought a ehiem 1260 for my return pump as well. The eheims' seem to impart a little more heat to the water though, as my tank went up about half a degree after the swap out."
However, there are post after post about how loud the Gen X are on another very very large hobby site like this one - One refered them as a train and other is-
"the eheim 1262 is $265 from euro-reef, and worth every penny.
I replaced my loud gen X 4100 pump with it and I'm very happy.
it does seem to generate a different size bubble though and subsequently needs to be adjusted differently than the Gen-X.
I was so impressed that I bought a ehiem 1260 for my return pump as well. The eheims' seem to impart a little more heat to the water though, as my tank went up about half a degree after the swap out."
shinobi9119
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with all that said for my 75 gallon tank which should i get. Most of the prices are really close and get farthr apart as you go up in size. I have found that for my size tank a euro reef is a little cheaper than ASM. But I have just started lookinginto octopus reef skimmers and they seem good as well. I have found one that is about the same price as the euro reef i amlooking at. SO Euro reef, or Octopus???
stanlalee
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Originally Posted by zman1
Here are two physical size comparables - Type, Footprint, height, Chamber diameter.
For me about a $120 dollars is still a big difference. This makes ASM 25% .
For larger models the price difference is larger (people purchasing those size skimmers generally dont concern themselves as much with the cost of equipment) but for smaller models the price difference when it exist isn't really worth the savings. The size differences below are either insignificant or offset by inferior pump. but when you consider even RS series are made from cast cell acrylic bodies vs ASM PVC, the difference in warranty and the fact everything you need to know and find out for help/service with Euroreef is as simple as going to Euro-reef.com while ASM is a bit of a mystery I dont think the negative $40 to $50 savings is that big of a deal.
From same popular online store that sells both:
ASM G1X:
Reaction Chamber Diameter: 5.5"
Height: 22.5"
Pump: Sedra 3500
Price:$219.95
Warranty: 90 days 2yrs on pump only
vs
Euroreef RS80:
reaction chamber diameter: 5"
Height: 22"
Pump: Euro-Reef modified SEDRA KSP-3500A
Price: $219.95
extruded acrylic version: $179
Warranty: 1 year on pump and pump parts, 5 year warranty on skimmer fabrication, life-time warranty on needle-wheel impeller.
ASM G2
Reaction chamber diameter: 6.5"
Height: 21.25"
Pump: Sedra 2500
Price:$239
Warranty: 90 days 2yrs on pump only
vs
Euroreef RS100
Reaction chamber: 6"
Height: 20"
Pump: Euro-Reef modified SEDRA KSP-3500A
Price: $289
Warranty: 1 year on pump and pump parts, 5 year warranty on skimmer fabrication, life-time warranty on needle-wheel impeller.
Here are two physical size comparables - Type, Footprint, height, Chamber diameter.
For me about a $120 dollars is still a big difference. This makes ASM 25% .
For larger models the price difference is larger (people purchasing those size skimmers generally dont concern themselves as much with the cost of equipment) but for smaller models the price difference when it exist isn't really worth the savings. The size differences below are either insignificant or offset by inferior pump. but when you consider even RS series are made from cast cell acrylic bodies vs ASM PVC, the difference in warranty and the fact everything you need to know and find out for help/service with Euroreef is as simple as going to Euro-reef.com while ASM is a bit of a mystery I dont think the negative $40 to $50 savings is that big of a deal.
From same popular online store that sells both:
ASM G1X:
Reaction Chamber Diameter: 5.5"
Height: 22.5"
Pump: Sedra 3500
Price:$219.95
Warranty: 90 days 2yrs on pump only
vs
Euroreef RS80:
reaction chamber diameter: 5"
Height: 22"
Pump: Euro-Reef modified SEDRA KSP-3500A
Price: $219.95
extruded acrylic version: $179
Warranty: 1 year on pump and pump parts, 5 year warranty on skimmer fabrication, life-time warranty on needle-wheel impeller.
ASM G2
Reaction chamber diameter: 6.5"
Height: 21.25"
Pump: Sedra 2500
Price:$239
Warranty: 90 days 2yrs on pump only
vs
Euroreef RS100
Reaction chamber: 6"
Height: 20"
Pump: Euro-Reef modified SEDRA KSP-3500A
Price: $289
Warranty: 1 year on pump and pump parts, 5 year warranty on skimmer fabrication, life-time warranty on needle-wheel impeller.
stanlalee
Active Member
Originally Posted by Shinobi9119
SO Euro reef, or Octopus???
Octopus is going to be MUCH cheaper for equivalent size, also made of cast cell acrylic and have 5yr warranty, 1yr on pump. Coralvue is easy enough to get ahold of which as far as I know is the distributor. Inferior pumps I'm told (ocean runner knock offs but not as reliable) and probably not as sharp on the details as Euroreefs but there is significant value.
SO Euro reef, or Octopus???
Octopus is going to be MUCH cheaper for equivalent size, also made of cast cell acrylic and have 5yr warranty, 1yr on pump. Coralvue is easy enough to get ahold of which as far as I know is the distributor. Inferior pumps I'm told (ocean runner knock offs but not as reliable) and probably not as sharp on the details as Euroreefs but there is significant value.
zman1
Active Member
That's fine. Warranty on Euro-Reef, where did you get this information? Their (euro-reef) web site doesn't say any of this, only --- If you need a copy of the warranty registration form, click HERE for a PDF version. Simply fill it out and fax along with a copy of the original sales receipt. I did call their Warranty help line and got voice mail.
Why I ask is because this is on their WEB site --- Lifetime doesn't cost $55
"Replacemnt Parts For Pumps
SP2 Complete Impeller Assembly (Sedra KSP3500 & Dolphin DP560/650)
Item #40602
Click the product link above to review product details.
Your Price: 55.00"
"For Euro-Reef SP2 Pumps (Modified Sedra KSP3500 & Dolphin DP560/650 ): This Complete Impeller Assembly consists of one (1) needle wheel, two (2) bushings, one (1) spacer, one (1) ceramic shaft and one (1) magnet. This is pre-assembled."
Note: I didn't misspell REPLACEMENT. This is a copy paste from their website.
Why I ask is because this is on their WEB site --- Lifetime doesn't cost $55
"Replacemnt Parts For Pumps
SP2 Complete Impeller Assembly (Sedra KSP3500 & Dolphin DP560/650)
Item #40602
Click the product link above to review product details.
Your Price: 55.00"
"For Euro-Reef SP2 Pumps (Modified Sedra KSP3500 & Dolphin DP560/650 ): This Complete Impeller Assembly consists of one (1) needle wheel, two (2) bushings, one (1) spacer, one (1) ceramic shaft and one (1) magnet. This is pre-assembled."
Note: I didn't misspell REPLACEMENT. This is a copy paste from their website.
stanlalee
Active Member
Originally Posted by zman1
That's fine. Warranty on Euro-Reef, where did you get this information? Their (euro-reef) web site doesn't say any of this, only --- If you need a copy of the warranty registration form, click HERE for a PDF version. Simply fill it out and fax along with a copy of the original sales receipt. I did call their Warranty help line and got voice mail.
Why I ask is because this is on their WEB site --- Lifetime doesn't cost $55
"Replacemnt Parts For Pumps
SP2 Complete Impeller Assembly (Sedra KSP3500 & Dolphin DP560/650)
Item #40602
Click the product link above to review product details.
Your Price: 55.00"
"For Euro-Reef SP2 Pumps (Modified Sedra KSP3500 & Dolphin DP560/650 ): This Complete Impeller Assembly consists of one (1) needle wheel, two (2) bushings, one (1) spacer, one (1) ceramic shaft and one (1) magnet. This is pre-assembled."
Note: I didn't misspell REPLACEMENT. This is a copy paste from their website.
I dont get it, just because they will sell you an impeller assembly means its not under warranty? Perhaps you have a sedra pump and would like to bring it to euroreef specs. perhaps you bought one used. perhaps you are using it commercially. perhaps you bought it unauthorized. perhaps you didn't register like your suppose to. anyhow I got the warranty info off of M.D. authorized dealer who list the warranty for all the products they sell. the page also says go thru your authorized dealer first and if they cant assist then call and they will get back to you within 24-48hrs.
cut and paste straight off the site:
"If you have questions about our products, we encourage you to contact you local Authorized Euro-Reef Dealer.
If you have questions that you are unable to have answered by one of our dealers, you can e-mail us at: er.tech@euro-reef.com or you can call us at 949-215-0849 M-F 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. PST
We will do our best to reply within 24-48 hrs, but sometimes we're just so busy making your skimmers, it may take a little longer than usual. Please bear with us when you experience delays."
were is ASM's website, address, phone ect?
That's fine. Warranty on Euro-Reef, where did you get this information? Their (euro-reef) web site doesn't say any of this, only --- If you need a copy of the warranty registration form, click HERE for a PDF version. Simply fill it out and fax along with a copy of the original sales receipt. I did call their Warranty help line and got voice mail.
Why I ask is because this is on their WEB site --- Lifetime doesn't cost $55
"Replacemnt Parts For Pumps
SP2 Complete Impeller Assembly (Sedra KSP3500 & Dolphin DP560/650)
Item #40602
Click the product link above to review product details.
Your Price: 55.00"
"For Euro-Reef SP2 Pumps (Modified Sedra KSP3500 & Dolphin DP560/650 ): This Complete Impeller Assembly consists of one (1) needle wheel, two (2) bushings, one (1) spacer, one (1) ceramic shaft and one (1) magnet. This is pre-assembled."
Note: I didn't misspell REPLACEMENT. This is a copy paste from their website.
I dont get it, just because they will sell you an impeller assembly means its not under warranty? Perhaps you have a sedra pump and would like to bring it to euroreef specs. perhaps you bought one used. perhaps you are using it commercially. perhaps you bought it unauthorized. perhaps you didn't register like your suppose to. anyhow I got the warranty info off of M.D. authorized dealer who list the warranty for all the products they sell. the page also says go thru your authorized dealer first and if they cant assist then call and they will get back to you within 24-48hrs.
cut and paste straight off the site:
"If you have questions about our products, we encourage you to contact you local Authorized Euro-Reef Dealer.
If you have questions that you are unable to have answered by one of our dealers, you can e-mail us at: er.tech@euro-reef.com or you can call us at 949-215-0849 M-F 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. PST
We will do our best to reply within 24-48 hrs, but sometimes we're just so busy making your skimmers, it may take a little longer than usual. Please bear with us when you experience delays."
were is ASM's website, address, phone ect?
joncat24
Active Member
Originally Posted by Shinobi9119
with all that said for my 75 gallon tank which should i get. Most of the prices are really close and get farthr apart as you go up in size. I have found that for my size tank a euro reef is a little cheaper than ASM. But I have just started lookinginto octopus reef skimmers and they seem good as well. I have found one that is about the same price as the euro reef i amlooking at. SO Euro reef, or Octopus???
If it were me, I would buy the recirc needlwheel 110 from octopus for $233. That would be perfect for a 75 gallon tank. Awesome skimmer at a very good price.
with all that said for my 75 gallon tank which should i get. Most of the prices are really close and get farthr apart as you go up in size. I have found that for my size tank a euro reef is a little cheaper than ASM. But I have just started lookinginto octopus reef skimmers and they seem good as well. I have found one that is about the same price as the euro reef i amlooking at. SO Euro reef, or Octopus???
If it were me, I would buy the recirc needlwheel 110 from octopus for $233. That would be perfect for a 75 gallon tank. Awesome skimmer at a very good price.