Public figures.... I don't care who they're sleeping with!

crimzy

crimzy

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Ah sex scandals...
General Patraeus resigned. Tiger Woods career just fell apart. Virtually every area has seen political figures outed for their extramarital affairs, use of prostitutes or some other behavior in their personal lives which is deemed "deviant" by someone. In Detroit, the police department saw an overhaul in the high ranking officials due to personal behavior. I'm just tired of it. I don't deem public figures to be of morally superior character than the rest of the people so I don't think that type of behavior is/should be news. To me, it's just tabloid garbage, gossip fodder for bored women, or a weapon to be used by the opponents of these figures. I don't want to read about it nor hear about it... but maybe that's just me.
Patraeus resigned and in theory (albeit unlikely) could face a court marshall for his extramarital affair. How many American lives are endangered by this?
What happened to the days of Wilt the Stilt and/or JFK? Why do we have to look for moral outrage based on what these people do in their private lives? They are no worse than the rest of the people, who seem to get up on their pulpit in judgment just because they can. I actually feel bad when the marital problems that so many people face become front page headlines just because the person involved has an important job.
Just my personal $.02...
 
mantisman51

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In general I agree with you. I wouldn't vote for a philanderer, but in the case of Patraeus, the thinking is that he may have given classified info to his biographer/reporter squeeze. If that's not the case and he was simply knocking boots, I find it unconscionable that the Republicans would attack a good man and warrior just to score points against The Messiah.
 
reefraff

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It isn't so much that they are screwing around. It's that they are STUPID ENOUGH to screw around. Opens them up to blackmail.
 
crimzy

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393487/public-figures-i-dont-care-who-theyre-sleeping-with#post_3500878
It isn't so much that they are screwing around. It's that they are STUPID ENOUGH to screw around. Opens them up to blackmail.
Every single human on the planet is "stupid enough" to screw around. The only reason there is a blackmail threat is because of the affect it could have on their careers and/or public image. If it was a non-issue, which I believe it should be, then there would be no threat...
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by crimzy http:///t/393487/public-figures-i-dont-care-who-theyre-sleeping-with#post_3500869
Ah sex scandals...
General Patraeus resigned. Tiger Woods career just fell apart. Virtually every area has seen political figures outed for their extramarital affairs, use of prostitutes or some other behavior in their personal lives which is deemed "deviant" by someone. In Detroit, the police department saw an overhaul in the high ranking officials due to personal behavior. I'm just tired of it. I don't deem public figures to be of morally superior character than the rest of the people so I don't think that type of behavior is/should be news. To me, it's just tabloid garbage, gossip fodder for bored women, or a weapon to be used by the opponents of these figures. I don't want to read about it nor hear about it... but maybe that's just me.
Patraeus resigned and in theory (albeit unlikely) could face a court marshall for his extramarital affair. How many American lives are endangered by this?
What happened to the days of Wilt the Stilt and/or JFK? Why do we have to look for moral outrage based on what these people do in their private lives? They are no worse than the rest of the people, who seem to get up on their pulpit in judgment just because they can. I actually feel bad when the marital problems that so many people face become front page headlines just because the person involved has an important job.
Just my personal $.02...
Welcome to the Morality Clause of today's Republican and Tea Party...
 
crimzy

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393487/public-figures-i-dont-care-who-theyre-sleeping-with#post_3500893
Welcome to the Morality Clause of today's Republican and Tea Party...
As much fun as partisan politics are, I think this issue goes far beyond any political party and beyond politics in general. This hyper-sensitive, self-righteous atmosphere is pervasive through society in general. Athletes, actors, and any other public figure is basically held to the same standards as politicians with regards to the sex scandals. People just seem to care so much about this crap... I just don't.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by crimzy http:///t/393487/public-figures-i-dont-care-who-theyre-sleeping-with#post_3500888
Every single human on the planet is "stupid enough" to screw around. The only reason there is a blackmail threat is because of the affect it could have on their careers and/or public image. If it was a non-issue, which I believe it should be, then there would be no threat...
Been married twice. Cheating has never crossed my mind. Not everyone thinks it's cool to betray their partner. If a person can't be loyal to their marriage what else will their loyalty be questionable on? I could vote for someone who has had an affair but all things being equal I'd go for the one that hadn't.
 
mantisman51

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I've been married almost 25 years and it has not been a challenge to keep my body parts away from anyone not married to me and expect politicians and anyone in authority to do the same. As Reef said, if you can't be trusted in something as fundamentally important as marriage, I don't think you can be trusted too much in anything else until proven otherwise. Now does that mean someone shouldn't be able to hold an office or position of authority if they have cheated? No. But I would treat them with mistrust until they've demonstrated that doesn't define their character.
 
reefraff

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You have a lot of people who wont run because they don't want their family trashed. Sarah Palin is a prime example. There was no reason for people to make her daughter an issue. Something as dumb as your kid getting busted for weed or serious as a brother who was caught embezzling will get drug out of the weeds and people just don't want to go through it.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by crimzy http:///t/393487/public-figures-i-dont-care-who-theyre-sleeping-with#post_3500898
As much fun as partisan politics are, I think this issue goes far beyond any political party and beyond politics in general. This hyper-sensitive, self-righteous atmosphere is pervasive through society in general. Athletes, actors, and any other public figure is basically held to the same standards as politicians with regards to the sex scandals. People just seem to care so much about this crap... I just don't.
Those two parties eschew moral and religious beliefs. The religious sect in this country is who makes the biggest deal about infidelity. As you, I could honestly care less what anyone does in their personal lives regarding sex and what or how many partners they have. Back in the 60's and 70's, this type of behavior was commonplace, and no one would even blink if they heard some celebrity or politician had some form of personal "descretion". This has been going on for decades. The main reason it's different now is because of the technological advances in the last 10 years, and how the mainstream and social media's can disseminate the information so quickly. Some celebrity could be seen walking out of a hotel with someone besides their spouse, and if you didn't have 20 papparazi idiots stuffing cameras in their face, some hotel worker or guest was taking a picture or video on their cell phones. Instead of that getting out in days or weeks, it's out on Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube within minutes.
 
darthtang aw

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This is exactly why we have the politicians we have.
If we are willing to look the other way when our appointed "leaders" will blatantly lie and hurt their own families....as a society we have no excuse to complain when they throw society under the bus,either through lies or what not.
The acceptance through not caring is continuing the course of degenerating the family structure. if you don't care when someone cheats on their spouse you are accepting this behavior.
Bionic, dont act like all political parties are exempt from this. This is not a political party specific problem. It is a society issue.Andit has become more accepted as time has gone onbecause as a society our moral code has deteriorated because we have not demanded a higher standard from our leaders and role models.
Would any of you say it is none of your businessif your daughters boyfriend or husband had an extra marital affair? Why is it fine for people that are "role models" but not fine for the regular people in your daily lives?
And contrary to your belief Bionic, this type of activity was not commonplace historically. But then again, you probably believe and remember the 60-70's were all bra burning and against the vietnam war...when that was a small but very vocal contigent of the population.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/393487/public-figures-i-dont-care-who-theyre-sleeping-with#post_3500943
If we are willing to look the other way when our appointed "leaders" will blatantly lie and hurt their own families....as a society we have no excuse to complain when they throw society under the bus,either through lies or what not.
The acceptance through not caring is continuing the course of degenerating the family structure. if you don't care when someone cheats on their spouse you are accepting this behavior.
Bionic, dont act like all political parties are exempt from this. This is not a political party specific problem. It is a society issue.Andit has become more accepted as time has gone onbecause as a society our moral code has deteriorated because we have not demanded a higher standard from our leaders and role models.
Would any of you say it is none of your businessif your daughters boyfriend or husband had an extra marital affair? Why is it fine for people that are "role models" but not fine for the regular people in your daily lives?
And contrary to your belief Bionic, this type of activity was not commonplace historically. But then again, you probably believe and remember the 60-70's were all bra burning and against the vietnam war...when that was a small but very vocal contigent of the population.
I lived it in the late 60's and 70's. I saw it first hand. I guess you didn't see it living in the sticks...
If you honestly think is something new, and hasn't happened a MULTITUDE of times in the past, then you're living in a cave. Who determines the "moral compass " of this nation? The Religious Morality Police? Whose "standard" are we suppose to follow? Because you read it in some book, every person has to abide by those rules? That's the benefit in living in a Republic that has a Democratic process. One sector of the population doesn't dictate what the rest of the population can or can't do. I imagine that's one of the freedoms the Founding Fathers thought of when creating the 1st Amendment. You disagree with the premise of infidelity or your definition of "immoral", that's your business. If that's the attitude, then let's just shoot anyone who supports or practices prostitution. Let's make it a felony if you violate the sanctity of marriage. Start chopping off body parts of men who are caught cheating. Throw the women in a pit and stone them to death for cheating on their husbands. Sound familiar?
Here's a thought. You can join the rest of these nutjobs who think just because Obama was re-elected, they should secede from the Union and start their own country. You can create your own laws, your own "Bill Of Rights" and dictate what's moral or not. Sad to say, I'm ashamed to be a Texan today....
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/12/15117305-petition-for-texas-to-secede-from-us-reaches-threshold-for-white-house-response?lite
 
crimzy

crimzy

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If we are willing to look the other way when our appointed "leaders" will blatantly lie and hurt their own families....as a society we have no excuse to complain when they throw society under the bus,either through lies or what not.
The acceptance through not caring is continuing the course of degenerating the family structure. if you don't care when someone cheats on their spouse you are accepting this behavior.
Bionic, dont act like all political parties are exempt from this. This is not a political party specific problem. It is a society issue.Andit has become more accepted as time has gone onbecause as a society our moral code has deteriorated because we have not demanded a higher standard from our leaders and role models.
Would any of you say it is none of your businessif your daughters boyfriend or husband had an extra marital affair? Why is it fine for people that are "role models" but not fine for the regular people in your daily lives?
And contrary to your belief Bionic, this type of activity was not commonplace historically. But then again, you probably believe and remember the 60-70's were all bra burning and against the vietnam war...when that was a small but very vocal contigent of the population.
You are suggesting that the fashion in which someone finds sexual gratification makes him/her more likely to be a traitor to this country or it's citizens? That's quite a stretch. You might as well argue that one who smokes cigarettes or drinks coffee is more like to be a heroine addict.
Here's the truth... having an affair or seeing a prostitute does not affect one's ability to hit a ball into a hole or make foreign policy decisions. These are just people. If you expect them to be some moral compass then you're simply setting yourself up for disappointment. But then again, maybe that's what people want... people love to be outraged, love to judge others (though not in comparison to ourselves but to some moral absolute). Sitting in judgment of others, probably makes people feel better about their own lives.
I'm not interested in that kind of hypocrisy. I'm not going to sit here and anonymously profess my claimed virtue and in the same breath imply that I have the moral credibility to judge another for a private indiscretion. I'm far from perfect... I've made more mistakes in my life than I could possibly share on here... and admit it or not, so have each of you. But that's a large part of our personal evolutions. People complain about political correctness going too far... this is the same principle... I don't need to be outraged at what someone does in their private life.
I'm just bored of tabloid gossip being presented to me as news. A police officer, father of 3 was murdered locally today. That story was quickly glossed over between the real societal issues of "who's doing who"... it's pathetic but they report based on what the people want to see...
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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I lived it in the late 60's and 70's.  I saw it first hand.  I guess you didn't see it living in the sticks...
If you honestly think is something new, and hasn't happened a MULTITUDE of times in the past, then you're living in a cave.  Who determines the "moral compass " of this nation?  The Religious Morality Police?  Whose "standard" are we suppose to follow?  Because you read it in some book, every person has to abide by those rules?  That's the benefit in living in a Republic that has a Democratic process.  One sector of the population doesn't dictate what the rest of the population can or can't do.  I imagine that's one of the freedoms the Founding Fathers thought of when creating the 1st Amendment.  You disagree with the premise of infidelity or your definition of "immoral", that's your business.  If that's the attitude, then let's just shoot anyone who supports or practices prostitution.  Let's make it a felony if you violate the sanctity of marriage.  Start chopping off body parts of men who are caught cheating.  Throw the women in a pit and stone them to death for cheating on their husbands.  Sound familiar?
Here's a thought.  You can join the rest of these nutjobs who think just because Obama was re-elected, they should secede from the Union and start their own country.  You can create your own laws, your own "Bill Of Rights" and dictate what's moral or not.  Sad to say, I'm ashamed to be a Texan today....
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/12/15117305-petition-for-texas-to-secede-from-us-reaches-threshold-for-white-house-response?lite
Always with the extremes. Has anyone implied such actions concerning infedility? And you call me nut job? Based off some of your extreme reactions and swings, this is how I envision you loading up The Aquarium, if you spoke German of course.
[VIDEO]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8pR1rZZHEs[/VIDEO]
I have no issue with "free love". If two people choose to live that way fine. But THAT is not what is being discussed. We aren't even discussing morality if you look at it on a basic level. We are discussing a man breaking his vow to his wife. A man Lying and cheating on his wife. A man that vowed to remain loyal to his partner. If you have no problem with liars and people willingly violating promises that are simple in nature to keep, Then you should have no problem with your daughters husbands cheating on them. look your daughters in the face, and tell her it is ok. Don't judge, don't be angry...it is perfectly fine.
As for seceding from the Union...Texas says that yearly. Me a nut job? I haven't commented once in a bad manner to President Obama being re-elected have I? In fact I have been relatively quiet in these political and religious threads. On the other hand I have been watching you pop off quite regularly in a most maniacal and crazed manner.
 
darthtang aw

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You are suggesting that the fashion in which someone finds sexual gratification makes him/her more likely to be a traitor to this country or it's citizens? That's quite a stretch. You might as well argue that one who smokes cigarettes or drinks coffee is more like to be a heroine addict.
Here's the truth... having an affair or seeing a prostitute does not affect one's ability to hit a ball into a hole or make foreign policy decisions. These are just people. If you expect them to be some moral compass then you're simply setting yourself up for disappointment. But then again, maybe that's what people want... people love to be outraged, love to judge others (though not in comparison to ourselves but to some moral absolute). Sitting in judgment of others, probably makes people feel better about their own lives.
I'm not interested in that kind of hypocrisy. I'm not going to sit here and anonymously profess my claimed virtue and in the same breath imply that I have the moral credibility to judge another for a private indiscretion. I'm far from perfect... I've made more mistakes in my life than I could possibly share on here... and admit it or not, so have each of you. But that's a large part of our personal evolutions. People complain about political correctness going too far... this is the same principle... I don't need to be outraged at what someone does in their private life.
I'm just bored of tabloid gossip being presented to me as news. A police officer, father of 3 was murdered locally today. That story was quickly glossed over between the real societal issues of "who's doing who"... it's pathetic but they report based on what the people want to see...
You are correct, it doesn't have anything to do with their ability to hit a golf ball...oh wait...how has Tiger been doing? But I digress.
My point is this. If a sports athlete breaks all the sports records, does illegal drugs, cheats on his wife, accussed of raping a woman...and so on.....and then your child says I want to grow up to be like him....it might give you pause....The news media during John Waynes era never outed him or reported him to be extremely racist...generations grew up admiring him...is the admiration warranted based off his true actions during his life.
Extend the same scenario to our political leaders. as I said, if a politician will hide stuff from his wife and hold the person he is suppossed to love and adore in such little regard....how credible is he as a leader and doing what is best for us?
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393487/public-figures-i-dont-care-who-theyre-sleeping-with#post_3500947
I lived it in the late 60's and 70's. I saw it first hand. I guess you didn't see it living in the sticks...
If you honestly think is something new, and hasn't happened a MULTITUDE of times in the past, then you're living in a cave. Who determines the "moral compass " of this nation? The Religious Morality Police? Whose "standard" are we suppose to follow? Because you read it in some book, every person has to abide by those rules? That's the benefit in living in a Republic that has a Democratic process. One sector of the population doesn't dictate what the rest of the population can or can't do. I imagine that's one of the freedoms the Founding Fathers thought of when creating the 1st Amendment. You disagree with the premise of infidelity or your definition of "immoral", that's your business. If that's the attitude, then let's just shoot anyone who supports or practices prostitution. Let's make it a felony if you violate the sanctity of marriage. Start chopping off body parts of men who are caught cheating. Throw the women in a pit and stone them to death for cheating on their husbands. Sound familiar?
Here's a thought. You can join the rest of these nutjobs who think just because Obama was re-elected, they should secede from the Union and start their own country. You can create your own laws, your own "Bill Of Rights" and dictate what's moral or not. Sad to say, I'm ashamed to be a Texan today....
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/12/15117305-petition-for-texas-to-secede-from-us-reaches-threshold-for-white-house-response?lite
I also was around in the 60's and 70's, even a tiny slice of the 50's if you want to get technical and while people have been cheating as long as they've been getting married it wasn't wide spread and acceptable. You had a small sliver of people doing the swinger lifestyle but that was with the spouses consent. And it isn't even a religious argument. If you enter into a contract with someone don't you honor the terms? It's no different with marriage.
And if you grew up anywhere in Texas you were with the hicks in the sticks compared to where I grew up so save it. You are either exaggerating or were brought up around a pretty sleazy group of people.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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I also was around in the 60's and 70's, even a tiny slice of the 50's if you want to get technical and while people have been cheating as long as they've been getting married it wasn't wide spread and acceptable.  You had a small sliver of people doing the swinger lifestyle but that was with the spouses consent. And it isn't even a religious argument. If you enter into a contract with someone don't you honor the terms? It's no different with marriage.
And if you grew up anywhere in Texas you were with the hicks in the sticks compared to where I grew up so save it. You are either exaggerating or were brought up around a pretty sleazy group of people.
He lived on a farm for a longtime...remember............
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by crimzy http:///t/393487/public-figures-i-dont-care-who-theyre-sleeping-with#post_3500964
You are suggesting that the fashion in which someone finds sexual gratification makes him/her more likely to be a traitor to this country or it's citizens? That's quite a stretch. You might as well argue that one who smokes cigarettes or drinks coffee is more like to be a heroine addict.
Here's the truth... having an affair or seeing a prostitute does not affect one's ability to hit a ball into a hole or make foreign policy decisions. These are just people. If you expect them to be some moral compass then you're simply setting yourself up for disappointment. But then again, maybe that's what people want... people love to be outraged, love to judge others (though not in comparison to ourselves but to some moral absolute). Sitting in judgment of others, probably makes people feel better about their own lives.
I'm not interested in that kind of hypocrisy. I'm not going to sit here and anonymously profess my claimed virtue and in the same breath imply that I have the moral credibility to judge another for a private indiscretion. I'm far from perfect... I've made more mistakes in my life than I could possibly share on here... and admit it or not, so have each of you. But that's a large part of our personal evolutions. People complain about political correctness going too far... this is the same principle... I don't need to be outraged at what someone does in their private life.
I'm just bored of tabloid gossip being presented to me as news. A police officer, father of 3 was murdered locally today. That story was quickly glossed over between the real societal issues of "who's doing who"... it's pathetic but they report based on what the people want to see...
I think every state is now no fault divorce. If a person doesn't want to be with their spouse they should get out of it the right way. It's an issue of character. We should expect our leaders to be better than average, not make excuses for them being worse.
 
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