Question about fire hazards/GFCI

fishfreak24

New Member
I'm seeing a lot of different information on "GFCI"s and fire hazards and currents and my HEAD HURTS.

I haven't found a thread where it specifically (and easily understood) goes through what equipment you need that's fire safe.
So if I need to use a surge protector (power strip), what kind of electrical equipment would I need? Short answers would be acceptable
I'm not exactly a scientist lol
 

jemshores

Member
You can purchase a GFCI plug (insert) at H Depot/Lowes, then plug your power strip into it. Should anything happen it will trip and stop power to the strip. Also a power outage or surge will trip it,thus resetting it. But fire safety is key concerning water accidents!
 
i am new to the fish world, but not new to the fire world. Water and electricity do not mix, so special considerations must obviously be made. When it comes to surge protectors, along with most everything else in this hobby, do not buy the cheapest one you can find. In my opinion, a good surge protector will be one of the best investments you cna make. I find the best place to buy these is at Best Buy, but you can get them at Lowes too.
I would also to that you need to put drip loops in all of your cords running from your tank. No matter how good the surge protector is, things malfunction and adding drip loops is just another level of protection
Hope this helps a little.
~grace
 

flower

Well-Known Member

GFCI outlets have their own breaker...any flux in the power it trips, shutting off instantly, once the problem is solved it can be reset.
Before I installed my tank, I had 4 quad GFCI outlets installed. Two high and two low, my tank sits right between them.
Before the GFCI outlets I used power strips and I personally think they are dangerous.
We spend so much money on a fish tank...$15.00 for a GFCI outlet is just smart.
 

scsinet

Active Member
It's important to draw a key distinction here...
Surge protectors and GFIs are two entirely different types of equipment that do two entirely different things. IMO the two terms are too often used interchangeably.
Additionally, not all power strips are surge protectors. LOTS of people assume that every power strip is a surge protector.
Surge protectors really offer no benefit to a saltwater tank. Surge protectors are designed to protect sensitive electronic equipment from power line issues. They do not protect against the common aquarium power issues such as water getting into electrical connections, water coming into contact with hot electrical conductors, or the "I got shocked when I put my hand in the water" situation. In short, it makes no difference whether you have a surge protector or not in your aquarium. Most of us use some sort of multi-outlet arrangement (power strips) on our tanks. As FirefighterEMTP said, your focus here should be a quality power strip. It doesn't matter if it features a surge protector or not. I personally prefer to use tripp-lite power strips that are made of metal, not molded plastic, and are rated for 20 amps. Most power strips feature a circuit breaker - any quality power strip will, and you should be sure yours have them. This will protect against overloads, but again, not from ground faults. Surge protectors might be useful for things like aquarium controllers or electronic ballasts that are sensitive to power surges, but honestly, all but the most expensive surge protectors are crap anyway and offer no real protection. Focus on quality of construction.
Mounting your powerstrips high in the stand, is critical, and ensuring that all power cords that run to some point above them have drip loops is also critical. You always need to think about the "leak scenario" and project where water will accumulate or is likely to splash, and NOT locate your power strip there.
Now, GFIs... As we all learned in high school science, an electrical circuit has to be complete... a path has to exist from the source of electricity to the item being powered, then back to the source. In a proper circuit, the current flows are exactly equal coming from and returning to the power source (the wall outlet in this case). A GFI works by monitoring the current flowing in both directions. Should these currents mismatch, it means that current is flowing through an alternate path, such as through your body. It more-or-less instantly breaks the circuit and cuts off all power. The national electric code mandates GFIs to be used in all areas where water is present - kitchens, bathrooms, basements, garages, outdoors - and when you consider that saltwater is even more conductive than freshwater, it makes the use of a GFI near an aquarium even more important. Although a GFI is designed to protect lives, they will also trip in most scenarios where water gets into a grounded power strip - usually FAR sooner than a circuit breaker will trip.
As for what GFI to use, there are three common varieties... you can get one that installs in your breaker panel, replacing the breaker that feeds the tank. They are fairly easy to install, but it involves working in the breaker panel which I would not recommend to anyone who does not feel 100% comfortable doing it. It's also the most expensive. The second type is a GFI that replaces a wall receptacle. Most of us have these in our bathrooms and kitchens. These are what I use, and are also the least expensive option. The third type is one that plugs into an outlet, and allows you to then plug the equipment into them. They can be in the form of a power strip featuring a GFI (again, this is different from a surge protector), or in the form of a small box with a plug on one side and a outlet on the other. They are the easiest to install but are also one of the more expensive options.
Regardless of what you do, a GFI, self installed, should cost less than $50, or less than $150 to have an electrician do it. As far as I'm concerned, it's an absolute necessity on any saltwater tanks.
Does that clear things up?
 

scopus tang

Active Member
Here's a link to a thread on installing GFCI outlets yourself, unfortunately the pictures are no longer available, but it may still help.
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/318076/diy-normal-receptical-to-gfci
 

fishfreak24

New Member
That ABSOLUTELY clears things up!
I always thought that surge protectors/power strips were the same thing and just were two different names for the same object. But I guess that makes a lot more sense. I have a MILLION power strips laying around, but I probably will invest in one of the metal ones you were talking about to be safe.
I'll go to Home Depot or Lowes or something as SOON as possible.
Thanks guys
 

nycbob

Active Member
gfi outlet or plug is very important. everyone should hv them. youtube actually has many videos on how to install gfi outlet.
 
Originally Posted by SCSInet
http:///forum/post/3208425
It's important to draw a key distinction here...
Surge protectors and GFIs are two entirely different types of equipment that do two entirely different things. IMO the two terms are too often used interchangeably.
Additionally, not all power strips are surge protectors. LOTS of people assume that every power strip is a surge protector.
Surge protectors really offer no benefit to a saltwater tank. Surge protectors are designed to protect sensitive electronic equipment from power line issues. They do not protect against the common aquarium power issues such as water getting into electrical connections, water coming into contact with hot electrical conductors, or the "I got shocked when I put my hand in the water" situation. In short, it makes no difference whether you have a surge protector or not in your aquarium. Most of us use some sort of multi-outlet arrangement (power strips) on our tanks. As FirefighterEMTP said, your focus here should be a quality power strip. It doesn't matter if it features a surge protector or not. I personally prefer to use tripp-lite power strips that are made of metal, not molded plastic, and are rated for 20 amps. Most power strips feature a circuit breaker - any quality power strip will, and you should be sure yours have them. This will protect against overloads, but again, not from ground faults. Surge protectors might be useful for things like aquarium controllers or electronic ballasts that are sensitive to power surges, but honestly, all but the most expensive surge protectors are crap anyway and offer no real protection. Focus on quality of construction.
Mounting your powerstrips high in the stand, is critical, and ensuring that all power cords that run to some point above them have drip loops is also critical. You always need to think about the "leak scenario" and project where water will accumulate or is likely to splash, and NOT locate your power strip there.
Now, GFIs... As we all learned in high school science, an electrical circuit has to be complete... a path has to exist from the source of electricity to the item being powered, then back to the source. In a proper circuit, the current flows are exactly equal coming from and returning to the power source (the wall outlet in this case). A GFI works by monitoring the current flowing in both directions. Should these currents mismatch, it means that current is flowing through an alternate path, such as through your body. It more-or-less instantly breaks the circuit and cuts off all power. The national electric code mandates GFIs to be used in all areas where water is present - kitchens, bathrooms, basements, garages, outdoors - and when you consider that saltwater is even more conductive than freshwater, it makes the use of a GFI near an aquarium even more important. Although a GFI is designed to protect lives, they will also trip in most scenarios where water gets into a grounded power strip - usually FAR sooner than a circuit breaker will trip.
As for what GFI to use, there are three common varieties... you can get one that installs in your breaker panel, replacing the breaker that feeds the tank. They are fairly easy to install, but it involves working in the breaker panel which I would not recommend to anyone who does not feel 100% comfortable doing it. It's also the most expensive. The second type is a GFI that replaces a wall receptacle. Most of us have these in our bathrooms and kitchens. These are what I use, and are also the least expensive option. The third type is one that plugs into an outlet, and allows you to then plug the equipment into them. They can be in the form of a power strip featuring a GFI (again, this is different from a surge protector), or in the form of a small box with a plug on one side and a outlet on the other. They are the easiest to install but are also one of the more expensive options.
Regardless of what you do, a GFI, self installed, should cost less than $50, or less than $150 to have an electrician do it. As far as I'm concerned, it's an absolute necessity on any saltwater tanks.
Does that clear things up?
Man.. are you looking for a job..? i think we have an opening in fire prevention...
 

scsinet

Active Member
Originally Posted by FirefightrEMTP
http:///forum/post/3208795
Man.. are you looking for a job..? i think we have an opening in fire prevention...
Next time I head your way for a weekend on the beach, maybe I'll look you up and you can show me what kind of oceanside homes they provide the FD guys, and I'll consider it.
 
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