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jessica47421

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Hello I am new to the salt water world but Im very intrested in learning all I can to have a good running salt water tank. so far I have it going the salt is at 1.024 and I have gotten one clown fish and he has been doing good for 2 days now.
but I do have some questions for you experienced salt water ppl. fist off i have a 24 hr lighting system that i have on timers what is a good amount of hours to leave it on for the day hours and what is good amount of hours for the night lights? i have them on timers now for 12hrs day and 12 hrs night is this ok or should it be different? the next question i have is i just set my tank up on saturday this week i let it run for 24 hours then applied the live sand then another 24 hours i had my water checked at pet store and they said all was good so i got just one fish till cycle is done but my fish seems very lonely he swims up and down tank like he is playing with his reflextion can i get another clown fish for him company or should i wait if so how long do i wait?
 

cam78

Active Member
ot oh... You just set it up on Saturday? Don't buy anyting else. You need to let the tank cycle for sometime. Lets put it this way. My tank has been up for a month and I was recently told with my 4 fish in there that I am rushing things. You will get a lot of info from people pretty soon. Good luck and be ready to read the sentence "Be patient!"
From now on I'm going to call it a patient aquarium rather than saltwater. Its stinks but thats the name of the game.
 

chuckcac

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HI there - Welcome to the boards...
if you've been swimming around & reading some of the other posts than some of this may be repetative... :notsure: read this in a "i just want to help" tone of voice
1.when you have specific questions... list them in order like 1., 2. 3. etc... its easier for people to answer them for you.

2. local fish stores are notoriuos for misinformation - just to make a sale - do not trust them - their motive is money

3. ask a bazzilion questions on the forum and research EVERYTHING before buying ANYTHING.... itll save you time, $ and heartache

4.Most importantly, you set up your tank on saturday... so its only been running for 4 days... Your tank has not been given time to cycle properly. this could be disasterous to your fish. It typically takes 4-6 weeks to properly cycle a tank BEFORE you can add any live stock. Cycling with a fish is cruel and outdated...

i would see if you can bring the fish back to the store for credit, and buy a great book in its place - "the conscietious marine aquarist" - by Robert Fenner
also research the nitrogen cycle process... this is a GREAT place to start... its in the Archives
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/80022/advise-for-new-hobbyists
 

f14peter

Member
Originally Posted by jessica47421
Hello I am new to the salt water world but Im very intrested in learning all I can to have a good running salt water tank. so far I have it going the salt is at 1.024 and I have gotten one clown fish and he has been doing good for 2 days now. but I do have some questions for you experienced salt water ppl. fist off i have a 24 hr lighting system that i have on timers what is a good amount of hours to leave it on for the day hours and what is good amount of hours for the night lights? i have them on timers now for 12hrs day and 12 hrs night is this ok or should it be different? the next question i have is i just set my tank up on saturday this week i let it run for 24 hours then applied the live sand then another 24 hours i had my water checked at pet store and they said all was good so i got just one fish till cycle is done but my fish seems very lonely he swims up and down tank like he is playing with his reflextion can i get another clown fish for him company or should i wait if so how long do i wait?
First off, welcome to the boards.
Er, I'm afraid your LFS has offered some not-so-good advice about putting in a fish during the cycle (Especially a not exactly inexpensive clown!). The spike in ammonia that accompanies a cycle can be fatal . . . although a clown is part of the damsel family, I'm not sure if they're as hardy as a blue damsel (The old-school way of cycling). Dare I say some people would suggest removing the clown until the cycle is over.
A cycle can be started by putting anything in the tank that will start to decay, creating ammonia (Which is why some do/did use fish to provide fish poop) . . . some just put fishfood in the tank, some add a small store-bought shrimp. A cycle consists of ammonia rising due to the decaying matter, then nitrites will rise as ammonia drops, then nitrates rise as nitrites fall. Once ammonia and nitrites are zero, and nitrates are managable (Around 20ppm) then the cycle is complete and you can think about adding fish slowly and periodically.
I suspect you're barely into your cycle and ammonia hasn't risen to a dangerous level yet, but it could
quite easily reach the point of killing your fish.
If you don't already, get your own testing kits, and not just dip-strips as they're far too inaccurate. Then watch your ammonia carefully.
BTW, 12 hours is not a bad light timing sequence, although many run a bit shorter to help combat algea growth. I run my blues for around 10 hours, my whites for 8, and moonlights for around 4 hours (Although many leave them on all the time).
 

chichi

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Hi Jessica, this sounds like deja vu! I purchased a tank when I accompanied by nephew to the LFS-I spent over $500 there in three days! I totally trusted them and believed everything they said-"you're good to go" and "you can put fish in the same day if you add this little bag of bacteria", etc etc. :notsure: Anyway, I may have gotten blasted after my first post but I've faithfully followed the advice and moved all of my fish out of my tank (x the damsels b/c me nephews tank is pretty full), and I'm taking things slow now, too. It's way too easy to go fast and I don't think the people at the pet shop would have ever told me NOT to buy anything-I'd just keep spending spending. Good luck! I'm right with you!
 

andy51632

Member
Welcome to the board looks like you have jumped in full force.

Without repeating the above info,
I was wondering if you have any liverock?
What do you have for filtration?
What do you have in your tank besides live sand?
Do you know what your ph, alk, nitrites, nitrates, and ammonia were when they tested your water?
This should help the experts(not me) give you advice.
 

jessica47421

Active Member
I have 2 hang on filters and a plenum for filteration in my tank. i will have to buy a testing kit to give you exact numbers all i know is the store tested it and said it was good for one fish to start they cycle so that is what i done, dont sound like a good idea. i have 2 lbs of live rock in there now and i have 40 lbs of base rock soaking now in room temp water i was told to let it soak for 2-3 weeks then put it in under live rock is this ok or should i add it now? also do you think the days should be on longer? or night? or is 12 and 12 ok? i just want the best for a good tank set up. the clown seems to be doing good just seems board alone in a 55 gal tank
 

jessica47421

Active Member
i just have the 2 timers one is for the little blue night lights and the other is the bright day lights that is y i just asked the 2.lol there is another plug but they just told me to leave it plugged in all the time. i hope he dont die 4 a mistake i made. have you ever heard of any to make it through the cycle?
 

f14peter

Member
Originally Posted by jessica47421
i just have the 2 timers one is for the little blue night lights and the other is the bright day lights that is y i just asked the 2.lol there is another plug but they just told me to leave it plugged in all the time. i hope he dont die 4 a mistake i made. have you ever heard of any to make it through the cycle?
Actually Jessica, you didn't make a mistake . . . Other than believing someone you considered an expert who (possibly knowingly) mislead you.
Cycling with damsels was an old-school approach used for a long time because damsels (Such as blue and yellow tail) were fairly hardy and could often withstand an ammonia spike (As long as it wasn't too high), although a good chance many damsels experienced gill-burn in the process.
Are clowns as hardy? Don't know, although the situation isn't unsalvagable . . . maybe the fish store will take the clown back and hold him for you.
Please don't get discouraged, and please don't take offense at what people say here. There's some incredibly knowledgable and passionate aquarists on this site, so take their advice as offered with the best intentions, if not always tactfully delivered.
What you refer to as a "Night light" is probably a blue actinic light, meant to augment the white light. Many, myself included, have the blues come on a little before the whites, and remain on a little longer after the whites have gone out to help replicate dawn and dusk. The other lights you were told to keep plugged in all the time are probably LED moonlights, and it's okay to leave them on although I have mine on a timer so the tank experiences some time of non-illumination.
 

jessica47421

Active Member
is it better to have all off for certain amount of time? also when do you think the rocks will be ok to put in after soaking?
 

jessica47421

Active Member
oh i forgot and how long do you leave ur night lights on and ur days? how many hours each ? also will my levels spike enough to kill my fish since i dont have my base rock in yet bc its still soaking? oh and when i feed him what food is left goes to the bottom of one corner of tank and all sets in a pile and stays there is this ok or should it go everywhere in tank?
 

f14peter

Member
Originally Posted by jessica47421
oh i forgot and how long do you leave ur night lights on and ur days? how many hours each ?
First, let's make sure we're all talking about the same thing . . . are the bulbs of what you're referring to as a "night light" the same size/shape as your white lights, only with light blue colored bulbs? If so, then they're not "night lights" per say, meant to replicate night illumination, but blue actinic lights to augment the white lights and are meant to be part of the "Daytime" light cycle.
There are also LED "Moonlights" which cast a very subtle blue light into the water, replicating moonlight. There's been some debate as to whether these serve some benefit to the livestock, but they're typically used for allowing the aquarist to view the tank when the animal life thinks it's night . . . and there's often a lot of different activity at night.
As for timing, it's often dependent upon what you have in your tank and its light requirements, but lights on too long can encourage algea growth. Me, I have my blues come on around 2:30pm, the whites come on around 3:30pm (with the blues staying on), then the whites go off around 9:30pm, and the blues go off around 10:30pm.
Some folks leave their LED moonlights on all the time, or have them timed to come on when the other lights go out. I have mine set to come on around 10:00pm to around 12:00midnight, then come on again around 4:00am (so my wife has some tank illumination when she gets up) and then off around 7:00am. Is there any benefit what so ever of having periods of no illumination? I don't know, I just figure that in the wild, with the moon cycle and cloud cover providing some nights with no light, I'd go that route.
will my levels spike enough to kill my fish since i dont have my base rock in yet bc its still soaking?
There's a good probability that the ammonia could spike high enough to be fatal to the fish, although I don't think it has a lot to do with the baserock. Any die-off from the LR, as well as the decaying uneaten food and clownpoop will cause ammonia to form. By removing uneaten food and the doo-doo (a turkey baster works good for this, but get one just for use in the tank), you may be able keep ammonia from spiking really high, but it will form regardless . . and besides, you need ammonia to form to start the cycle which will eventually lead to beneficial bacteria forming in your tank to help keep it healthy.
 

jessica47421

Active Member
Im's sorry but im really confused for some reason about the lighting. i have a bright light and a little light that barely makes any light my question is just how long should i leave on the bright light and how long should i leave on the little light? for how many hours a day?
 

cam78

Active Member
If it means anything to you my tank was set up by a friend that I think grew up in the sea. Ha..He set my daytime lights on from 10:00 AM till 9:00 PM. The blue LED moonlights then come on from 9:00 PM till 10:00 AM.
Correct me if I'm wrong someone, but you really don't need your lights on THAT long right now if you are still cycling, or don't have any corals. My lights are set up that long because I have coral in my tank. Fish don't need that long of light, plus this will cut down your diatoms and algae growth in your first few stages of your new tank.
 

bs21

Member
first off welcome to the boards.
about your base rock i dont necissarily see a problem with adding it to the tank now because during your cycle the base rock can still provide a space for more bacteria to grow that will break down amm. and nitrites...especially if there is only 2 pounds of live rock. Either way tank is stil going to cycle and bacteria will grow in sand and live rock.
 
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