Recommendations for a return pump on a 180G reef..

btldreef

Moderator
Title pretty much says it all. Our 180 tank has two returns on opposite sides of the tank, curious as to what you guys recommend as a return pump. Must be an in sump model, I am done drilling holes in things, LOL
The sump is 40G, the return is not hooked to anything else, but to go back to the tank. 2 MP40's and 1 MP 10 will be in the tank.
 

tangs rule

Active Member
May I suggest somthing I ran into doing my 475?
I was gonna do a in-sump pump return, but mag drive pumps in the 2000gph+ range are pricey, AND worse, consume ALOT of electricity and that = heat, which I know was gonna be a problem for me cause I was gonna run 2000watts MH light - so I found a great little pump made by reef flow, it's external, but the pump is desinged to run on a snorkel - so no drilling 2" holes in sump glass - pump is small/takes up little space on cabinet floor/uses like <100 watts/is very quiet/has a USA built motor that about ANY motor repair shop could rebuild/pump reseal kits are avialable/and they're cheep by compare to a 2400gph mag drive submersible.....here's a pic r 2 of how I run mine:
Here's the reef flo snapper, 2400 gph. the vertical is the 1.5" return, which gets split down here in the stand for dual jets up in the tank. The pump puts out NICE flow, and the dual 5/8" jets in the tank flow STRONG

Here's the 2" dia input s/o valve and disconnect - this is the suction side and notice the actual "wet
" pvc pipe in the 75gal sump, just behind the red s/o vaalve. Notice I throttle my s/o valve back almost 1/4 - this pump seriously delivers 2000 gph @ 6' head.

here's the "U-turn" the suction pipe makes going into the sump.. Only thing you gotta do is "prime" the pipes with water(from the jets up top) prior to starting up the first time only>>> from then on, everytime I trun the power back on after a waterchange, she kicks on and runs like a total champ.....I keep about 10" waterlevel in the sump.

Sadly I hear they may have discontinued this model - but I bought a reseal kit too, and I can get the motor rebuilt anywhere, when the time comes. I run a bigger model for the re-circulation, the barracuda, 4300gph.....I was so happy with their quality and after seeing how nice these units run, I bought a spare of each of them, and have a spare reseal kits too...I should have pumps for many years to come...
I checked bulk reef supply and they have a 2400 snapper in stock. For $300 plus a $50 reseal kit for it, you'd not have to worry about it for many years, and like stated before - the motor is made in USA and is a pretty standard plain AC motor, easily rebuilt by any repair shop.....Some of the japanese mag drive pumps have japan made motors and parts for them can be a pain to get sometimes.
This design may not work for yall, but it runs very well on my 475 - and I don't think it'd be too much pump, cause you can run the thing all day long at less than 50% flow, while large mag drive pumps don't like to be throttled back too far, they really heat up the water then!
 

btldreef

Moderator
Thanks!
We actually need the extra heat. We're running LED's and our tank barely stays at 78 during the day, at night, the controller cranks the heater!
For the moment we're going to run a 1400 on one side and a 800(I think) on the other until we figure out exactly what we're doing.
 
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jstdv8

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need to know how much volume your overflows can handle and how high it is from where to pump is located to where the water enters the tank.
 

btldreef

Moderator
I honestly don't know exactly how many gallon they can withstand. I wonder if my friend, whom I bought the tank from knows, I'll have to get back to you on that.
The returns are 5' and 8.5' away if I had to guess. I'll take measurements later.
 

deejeff442

Active Member
i run a mag 12 on my 250 with a 75 sump.i think its perfect.i dont like to run alot of gph through the sump.but i do in the tank.like you 2 mp40's and a #4 korilia
 

scsinet

Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jstdv8 http:///forum/thread/385997/recommendations-for-a-return-pump-on-a-180g-reef#post_3387954
need to know how much volume your overflows can handle and how high it is from where to pump is located to where the water enters the tank.
Exactly... everything is just guesswork until the size of your drain holes is known.
Is this an AGA "Megaflow" tank? If so, you're dealing with (2) 1" drains... I know.. nothing "mega" about that... In that case, 1200GPH is about the maximum you can expect, but I'd keep it at 1000 to keep things running safely. A Mag12 would probably do it, or for external pumps, an Iwaki 70 or a Sequence Wahoo. I use a Sequence on my 180 AGA, but I have mine feeding chiller, skimmer,and reactor loops in addition to the main tank.
 

btldreef

Moderator
It is an AGA and the overflows are drilled for 1 1/4" single drains on each side of the tank. We're using 1" PVC piping with adapters to fit the larger bulk head. I think we are going to use our 1400gph pump and see how it goes. I have smaller as well and we are running 2 MP40s and an MP10, so if the pump is too much, I can get away with no pump for a day. There are enough LFS near me, I'm surei could find another pump if needed.
My concern is all the piping the return is going through. We run a 1400gph pump on our 155 and only have one return line, so half the amount of piping and no splits. It barely seems like enough in the 155 and as a result, we also added a Fluval FX-5 for extra flow (and a place for media). The 155 also has the MP powerheads.
 

2quills

Well-Known Member
Sounds like you'll want to stay around the 1,000gph mark then since you're using 1" drains. I'm not sure if this is the excact way to do it but I would just factor in the total length of pipe you will be using on the return, pluss the elbows as well as the height of the stand pipes for the returns in the overflows. So add all that up to get your head height. They say to add an extra foot for each 90 degree elbow.
 

scsinet

Active Member
To calculate head height you want to measure the height from the pump's outlet to the waterline. Even if you drill your tank and put a return in halfway up the back of the tank, you still need to measure to the waterline. You'll then add "some" for elbows and other sharp turns, such as tees. If memory serves that's usually around 1ft each. Normally I do not count horizontal runs... at least not much, unless the run is long.
You can also increase the pipe size and use 45 degree elbows instead of 90s to increase your flow rate. Or, you could simply upsize the pump a bit, and use a ball valve to dial in exactly what you want.
Now why you are downsizing 1.25" drains to 1" I'll never understand. My AGA is drilled for 1" drains. Wanna trade tanks?
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by tangs rule http:///forum/thread/385997/recommendations-for-a-return-pump-on-a-180g-reef#post_3387900
May I suggest somthing I ran into doing my 475?
I was gonna do a in-sump pump return, but mag drive pumps in the 2000gph+ range are pricey, AND worse, consume ALOT of electricity and that = heat, which I know was gonna be a problem for me cause I was gonna run 2000watts MH light - so I found a great little pump made by reef flow, it's external, but the pump is desinged to run on a snorkel - so no drilling 2" holes in sump glass - pump is small/takes up little space on cabinet floor/uses like <100 watts/is very quiet/has a USA built motor that about ANY motor repair shop could rebuild/pump reseal kits are avialable/and they're cheep by compare to a 2400gph mag drive submersible.....here's a pic r 2 of how I run mine:
Run on a snorkle? Sweet!
Quote:
Originally Posted by BTLDreef
http:///forum/thread/385997/recommendations-for-a-return-pump-on-a-180g-reef#post_3387947
Thanks!
We actually need the extra heat. We're running LED's and our tank barely stays at 78 during the day, at night, the controller cranks the heater!
For the moment we're going to run a 1400 on one side and a 800(I think) on the other until we figure out exactly what we're doing.
lol you'd be surprised how hot those pumps get...
Quote:
Originally Posted by SCSInet
http:///forum/thread/385997/recommendations-for-a-return-pump-on-a-180g-reef#post_3388054
Exactly... everything is just guesswork until the size of your drain holes is known.
Is this an AGA "Megaflow" tank? If so, you're dealing with (2) 1" drains... I know.. nothing "mega" about that... In that case, 1200GPH is about the maximum you can expect, but I'd keep it at 1000 to keep things running safely. A Mag12 would probably do it, or for external pumps, an Iwaki 70 or a Sequence Wahoo. I use a Sequence on my 180 AGA, but I have mine feeding chiller, skimmer,and reactor loops in addition to the main tank.
BTW I'm going to bump your tank build thread!!!!
 
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