"Redistribution of Wealth"

veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2814729
If I am not mistaken, the vast majority of people on welfare in our country are women with young children, who lack the skills to get better paying jobs. These people are not living high on the hog, as some people would like to suggest. The system is far from perfect and we should put more money into these people to train them so they can get off welfare and find better jobs. Isn't minimum wage roughly $5.15 cents an hour?. If you work 40 hours a week that's only $206 a week before taxes. When you have a family to feed, rent to pay, bills to pay and an assortment of other expenditures that's not enough to live on. I find it hard to believe that a family can live on less then $50,000 a year without some help.
I think the minimum wage should be closer to $10.00 an hour or don't tax people who make minimum wage. I am sure there are some great ideas out there to assist people and give incentives for them to get off welfare but crying about your money going to help the "crack mom" or "ghetto rat" isn't gonna do a think to solve the problem.
I would agree with you to a certain extent.You live in Chicagoland Jmick ,how about we do this ,take those garbage men and city workers that like to sleep and drink all day on the job and give those jobs to those on welfare who want to work.I have a lot of ideas but its above my pay scale.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2814744
Please don't tell me you think the premise behind this edited speech you found is Obama's grand scheme to grant reparations to his 'fellow black citizen's' once he gets into office? I know the Caucasians in this country are becoming the minority, but if he even attempted to do something like that, he'd get tossed out of office faster than Nixon. Either that, or shot the next time he went to Alabama, Louisiana, or South Carolina...
If you look at my link you'll find the whole interview.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/2814538
Well, first its not "redistribution", its shifting who pays more for gov't. Its not taking money and giving money as some of the right wingers have twisted it into. But you can't give someone a tax break without increasing taxes for someone else, unless of course you are Bush and don't care about balancing a budget.
Second, I'll let you catch up with reading the thread as the rest of your question is answered above.
OBAMA TALKED ABOUT REDISTRIBUTION!!! Did you bother to listen to or read any of the interview?
Good Heavens, are you so enamored you refuse to acknowledge Obama's own words???
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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I think I've asked this multiple times, but have yet to get an honest answer --
What exactly is McCain's economic strategy? He said he want to cut Federal spending across the board. Ok, where does he get the money for all these other programs and initiatives he wants to implement? The money has to come from somewhere. Most of the Federal programs he wants to cut don't even have their own budgets. They grab money from one program to pay for the other. So does he just continue to increase the deficit to oblivion, or TAX someone to get the money. If it's taxation, who gets taxed what? Do you want to evenly distribute the tax across all classes? How do you get taxes from welfare recipients, or people who barely have money to live on?
Look at the current tax system. Based on my present income, I'm considered in the Upper-Middle to Upper Class income level. Why should I have to pay more taxes than the low and lower-middle income people? Am I not 'redistributing my wealth' to a lower class of citizen?
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2814769
OBAMA TALKED ABOUT REDISTRIBUTION!!! Did you bother to listen to or read any of the interview?
Good Heavens, are you so enamored you refuse to acknowledge Obama's own words???
Seems like that to me.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2814769
OBAMA TALKED ABOUT REDISTRIBUTION!!! Did you bother to listen to or read any of the interview?
Good Heavens, are you so enamored you refuse to acknowledge Obama's own words???
Actually I did read this interview snippet you had a link to at the beginning. I took it the same way Geridoc did -- "If I understood the transcript correctly, Obama says that redistribution of wealth is more of a legislative than a judicial issue, which is true.".
I honestly don't know what your beef is with this speech journey. What exactly are YOU reading into this speech?
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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party politics aside, I don't see how you can hear that and not think this conversation was what can we do and how would we do it. And it being redistributing wealth, as a form of civil rights.
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2814794
Actually I did read this interview snippet you had a link to at the beginning. I took it the same way Geridoc did -- "If I understood the transcript correctly, Obama says that redistribution of wealth is more of a legislative than a judicial issue, which is true.".
I honestly don't know what your beef is with this speech journey. What exactly are YOU reading into this speech?
I posted a snippet because i foolishly thought it would encourage Obama's supporters here to actually listen to the entire interview.
My mistake...
Its clear you have not bothered to listen to it or you wouldn't be asking me what my beef is with it.
 
1journeyman

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For those of you that have bothered to listen to the interview: "If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples. So that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be okay.
But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society...."
Redistribution of wealth.... Anyone want to define the difference between income and wealth? Obama is not talking about income, he is talking about wealth.
 
reefraff

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WOW! The Obama campaign is running around like their hair is on fire. Maybe this race isn't over.
The Obama campaign has blackballed the ABC station in central Florida because Biden couldn't answer the question of why isn't Obama's redistribution of wealth the same as Marxism.
Chuck Shumer was just on complaining that the Obama tape where he talks about redistribution was from 2001 so it should be ignored yet they went back that far for John McCain opposing the Bush tax cuts.
 
aquaknight

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/post/2814895
WOW! The Obama campaign is running around like their hair is on fire. Maybe this race isn't over.
The Obama campaign has blackballed the ABC station in central Florida because Biden couldn't answer the question of why isn't Obama's redistribution of wealth the same as Marxism.
Chuck Shumer was just on complaining that the Obama tape where he talks about redistribution was from 2001 so it should be ignored yet they went back that far for John McCain opposing the Bush tax cuts.
Here's the video link:
 
reefreak29

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2814753
I would agree with you to a certain extent.You live in Chicagoland Jmick ,how about we do this ,take those garbage men and city workers that like to sleep and drink all day on the job and give those jobs to those on welfare who want to work.I have a lot of ideas but its above my pay scale.
wait a second , thats a misconception . im a city worker and work my tail off 40 hrs a week ,manditory on call,nights, weakends, holidays.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2814895
WOW! The Obama campaign is running around like their hair is on fire. Maybe this race isn't over.
The Obama campaign has blackballed the ABC station in central Florida because Biden couldn't answer the question of why isn't Obama's redistribution of wealth the same as Marxism.
Chuck Shumer was just on complaining that the Obama tape where he talks about redistribution was from 2001 so it should be ignored yet they went back that far for John McCain opposing the Bush tax cuts.
ABC has an affiliate in Florida? I thought the only TV stations there were FoxNews, Rush Limbaugh 24/7, and the Dubya Network.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2814857
For those of you that have bothered to listen to the interview: "If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples. So that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be okay.
But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society...."
Redistribution of wealth.... Anyone want to define the difference between income and wealth? Obama is not talking about income, he is talking about wealth.

Again, WHAT'S YOUR ARGUMENT? Obama has stated from the beginning his economic stance. We've heard from you NUMEROUS TIMES -- Socialism, playing Robin Hood, stealing from the rich and giving to the poor. OK, I get it. Obama wants the rich to pay more to help the middle class. OLD NEWS. You just wanting to 'stir the pot' a little more right before voting day to try and persuade people here to vote against Obama? Sorry, but it's way too late for that.
I don't have a clue what anyone here makes in regards to income. But based on the many conversations I've read here, no one seems to fit into the category of 'Mega Rich'. Therefore, Obama's plan affects NO ONE ON THIS BOARD. It'll probably give back more money to most of the people here in tax rebates. So why do you care? By the time you do happen to get lucky and make the 'Big Payoff', Obama will be out of office, and another Republican will come along and give you your tax breaks back. So why worry? Just like the Stock Market, the Federal Government runs in ebbs and tides. Obama may be a down point, or he may be the 'surge' that brings us back to our 'happy place'. Right now, it's just all talk. Let's see what happens if he does get into office.
You want to change my mind? PLEASE TELL ME MCCAIN'S GRAND SCHEME. I just here the same rhetoric from the guy -- cut spending, cut taxes.... HOW'S HE GONNA DO IT? Everytime I hear him speak, I see that guy that played the Governor in the movie/play "Best Little Wh0reh0use In Texas" -- "Oooh, I love to dance a little side step. Now you see me, now you don't, I've come and gone. Oooh, I love to sweep around the wide steps. Cut a little swath a lead the people on..."
 
beth

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I really wonder what the big deal is. Now, the lowest income earner in this country who pays taxes is paying 10%. Those who make the most money, now pay 35%. That is already inequitable, and a redistribution of wealth. So what is different with what Obama is saying??
 
veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by reefreak29
http:///forum/post/2814968
wait a second , thats a misconception . im a city worker and work my tail off 40 hrs a week ,manditory on call,nights, weakends, holidays.

I take it you dont work in cook county ,more specifically the City of Chicago
 
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