Reef Safe Cooper Level
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tangofish
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Copper and inverts= dead inverts.
Click in the link below to find more about ich/ick, once you are there go down to #6
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/127007/faqs-fish-diseases-treatments-quarantine-health-info
Click in the link below to find more about ich/ick, once you are there go down to #6
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/127007/faqs-fish-diseases-treatments-quarantine-health-info
spiderwoman
Active Member
There is no such thing as a high enough copper level in a reef tank that will not kill inverts and treats ick. You are better off setting up a QT, hunt your fish down and treat them in the right environment.
limpit
New Member
Like everyone else has said copper kills in a reef tank.
I have even heard of people having troubles with a used tank that had copper used in it that the silicone absorbed the copper and leached it back into the reef tank causing problems.
Better to set up a separate QT / hospital tank to treat your fish.
I have even heard of people having troubles with a used tank that had copper used in it that the silicone absorbed the copper and leached it back into the reef tank causing problems.
Better to set up a separate QT / hospital tank to treat your fish.
coralman05
Member
what causes high copper levels.. just the water?
tangs rule
Active Member
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Originally Posted by coralman05 http:///t/328079/reef-safe-cooper-level#post_3410233
what causes high copper levels.. just the water?
Without an RO/DI water system - copper pipes via straight tap water can cause issues....Not to mention that most city tap water, good nuff to drink is NO WHERE close to being "reef" quality.....Nitrates, flourides, sediments, chlorides, chlorimines, sulfates, etc. exist in most city tap waters - in ammounts toxic to reef systems, and these ammounts can vary greatly season to season. Even if your local tap water is "ok" to sustain a reef for a while, the quality of most city waters can vary greatly, and at some times of the year - actually be toxic to corals and inverts.....Copper levels in a reef tank MUST be kept at "non-detectable" levels at all times. Yes, natural seawater contains copper ions, and copper salts - but at levels in the PPB (parts per billion) or PPT (parts per trillion) range... Far below the levles of any copper test kit - which will measure in a PPM (parts per million) range. Most corals, shrimps, snails, ans stars are VERY intollerant of testable for positive copper values.
Originally Posted by coralman05 http:///t/328079/reef-safe-cooper-level#post_3410233
what causes high copper levels.. just the water?
Without an RO/DI water system - copper pipes via straight tap water can cause issues....Not to mention that most city tap water, good nuff to drink is NO WHERE close to being "reef" quality.....Nitrates, flourides, sediments, chlorides, chlorimines, sulfates, etc. exist in most city tap waters - in ammounts toxic to reef systems, and these ammounts can vary greatly season to season. Even if your local tap water is "ok" to sustain a reef for a while, the quality of most city waters can vary greatly, and at some times of the year - actually be toxic to corals and inverts.....Copper levels in a reef tank MUST be kept at "non-detectable" levels at all times. Yes, natural seawater contains copper ions, and copper salts - but at levels in the PPB (parts per billion) or PPT (parts per trillion) range... Far below the levles of any copper test kit - which will measure in a PPM (parts per million) range. Most corals, shrimps, snails, ans stars are VERY intollerant of testable for positive copper values.
geoj
Active Member
Does any buddy know the border line of the amount copper should test for so that it will not kill reefs and inverts but may kill ich off ????is this possiable
Copper in the Ocean Environment
Wednesday, October 04, 2006
A number of studies were reviewed that investigate copper concentrations in ocean water, sediments and organisms. The purpose of reviewing the studies was to compare natural versus anthropogenic copper concentrations. It was found that large variations in concentrations do occur in ocean water, sediments and organisms due to both naturally occurring and anthropogenic copper. Copper is an essential micronutrient to both plants and animals. As such, organisms were found to have mechanisms to deal with copper levels in their environment from both natural and anthropogenic copper within the ranges studied. It was also concluded that when studying copper in the environment both natural varying copper levels and varying concentrations due to anthropoge nic copper must be considered.
Copper at 0.25 ppb is ubiquitous in Ocean water...
Copper in the Ocean Environment
Wednesday, October 04, 2006
A number of studies were reviewed that investigate copper concentrations in ocean water, sediments and organisms. The purpose of reviewing the studies was to compare natural versus anthropogenic copper concentrations. It was found that large variations in concentrations do occur in ocean water, sediments and organisms due to both naturally occurring and anthropogenic copper. Copper is an essential micronutrient to both plants and animals. As such, organisms were found to have mechanisms to deal with copper levels in their environment from both natural and anthropogenic copper within the ranges studied. It was also concluded that when studying copper in the environment both natural varying copper levels and varying concentrations due to anthropoge nic copper must be considered.
Copper at 0.25 ppb is ubiquitous in Ocean water...
tangs rule
Active Member
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Originally Posted by GeoJ http:///t/328079/reef-safe-cooper-level#post_3410276
Copper in the Ocean Environment
Wednesday, October 04, 2006
A number of studies were reviewed that investigate copper concentrations in ocean water, sediments and organisms. The purpose of reviewing the studies was to compare natural versus anthropogenic copper concentrations. It was found that large variations in concentrations do occur in ocean water, sediments and organisms due to both naturally occurring and anthropogenic copper. Copper is an essential micronutrient to both plants and animals. As such, organisms were found to have mechanisms to deal with copper levels in their environment from both natural and anthropogenic copper within the ranges studied. It was also concluded that when studying copper in the environment both natural varying copper levels and varying concentrations due to anthropoge nic copper must be considered.
This is very true.....Gold also exists in seawater - in fact there is more gold dissolved in the Earths' seawater than there is available in the reachable crust of the planet. Same goes with about ALL the metal elements found on the periodic table of elements. Sadly, copper - in testable amounts for the aquarist (ppm) is a problem for many sea creatures. (please see most on line retailers tips for maintaining shrimps, stars, clams, etc. - usually copper levels high enough to test positive for our kits are fatal.) ALL the metals exist in natural seawater - from Antimony to Zinc - but if ANY of them exceed "natural" values - problems will arise in the home aquarium.
Originally Posted by GeoJ http:///t/328079/reef-safe-cooper-level#post_3410276
Copper in the Ocean Environment
Wednesday, October 04, 2006
A number of studies were reviewed that investigate copper concentrations in ocean water, sediments and organisms. The purpose of reviewing the studies was to compare natural versus anthropogenic copper concentrations. It was found that large variations in concentrations do occur in ocean water, sediments and organisms due to both naturally occurring and anthropogenic copper. Copper is an essential micronutrient to both plants and animals. As such, organisms were found to have mechanisms to deal with copper levels in their environment from both natural and anthropogenic copper within the ranges studied. It was also concluded that when studying copper in the environment both natural varying copper levels and varying concentrations due to anthropoge nic copper must be considered.
This is very true.....Gold also exists in seawater - in fact there is more gold dissolved in the Earths' seawater than there is available in the reachable crust of the planet. Same goes with about ALL the metal elements found on the periodic table of elements. Sadly, copper - in testable amounts for the aquarist (ppm) is a problem for many sea creatures. (please see most on line retailers tips for maintaining shrimps, stars, clams, etc. - usually copper levels high enough to test positive for our kits are fatal.) ALL the metals exist in natural seawater - from Antimony to Zinc - but if ANY of them exceed "natural" values - problems will arise in the home aquarium.
coralman05
Member
so the high copper levels definitely can lead to my yellow tang losing scales/fins due to stress?
tangs rule
Active Member
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Originally Posted by coralman05 http:///t/328079/reef-safe-cooper-level#post_3410397
so the high copper levels definitely can lead to my yellow tang losing scales/fins due to stress?
Having used copper meds on more than a dozen yellow tangs, I've never had one shed scales - and I;ve exposed some tangs to levels 2times reccommended. I;d look at agression issues of another fish, OR the YT/scratching/or stress for some other reason. Scale loss is not a common malaise.
Originally Posted by coralman05 http:///t/328079/reef-safe-cooper-level#post_3410397
so the high copper levels definitely can lead to my yellow tang losing scales/fins due to stress?
Having used copper meds on more than a dozen yellow tangs, I've never had one shed scales - and I;ve exposed some tangs to levels 2times reccommended. I;d look at agression issues of another fish, OR the YT/scratching/or stress for some other reason. Scale loss is not a common malaise.
coralman05
Member
what's YT and scratching of the rocks?
tangs rule
Active Member
YT = yellow tang
scratching happens when a fishes skin is irritated and he scratches against rocks/things - but this can cause skin damage/cuts/bruising.
scratching happens when a fishes skin is irritated and he scratches against rocks/things - but this can cause skin damage/cuts/bruising.
coralman05
Member
oh okayy thanks.. i'm not sure what it is seeing how its the biggest fish i have and i've never seen it get even get close to picked at
sepulatian
Moderator
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Originally Posted by rileybb http:///t/328079/reef-safe-cooper-level#post_2692665
Does any buddy know the border line of the amount copper should test for so that it will not kill reefs and inverts but may kill ich off ????is this possiable
It is not possible. No copper is ok in a reef. Ich is an invert, very HARDY one at that, your reef life is mostly inverts. You cannot kill one invert while leaving others unharmed.
Originally Posted by rileybb http:///t/328079/reef-safe-cooper-level#post_2692665
Does any buddy know the border line of the amount copper should test for so that it will not kill reefs and inverts but may kill ich off ????is this possiable
It is not possible. No copper is ok in a reef. Ich is an invert, very HARDY one at that, your reef life is mostly inverts. You cannot kill one invert while leaving others unharmed.