Refugium????

abethedog

Member
I have a 130gal established reef tank that my boss sold to me because he was moving. This was about 1 1/2 years ago. I've enjoyed it more than I can describe.
With all of the learning and research I've put into it I am a little embarred to ask this.
Can someone please describe why/what/where/how a refigium is? I've seen plenty of picts on this site. Would one of these benefit me? Thanks!
 

smoney

Active Member
I just built a 10 gallon refugium for my 50 gallon tank about two months ago. A refuigium would be pretty ideal for a reef tank. You mostly put macro algae in there and a bunch of little pods populate in there. The pods are beneficial to your system and so is the macro algae, the macro reduces nitrates?(Its either nitrates or nitrites) It also adds more volume to your system which is really good. It would be a good investment for you to get one.
 

wax32

Active Member
¡Hola! Welcome to the boards!

If your tank is running well, no need to make it complicated!
 

abethedog

Member
Thanks for the comments. Everything is working well in my tank. I've had two months worth of small amounts of hair algae that is very managable on my weekly "tank hour." I rarly register ammon or nit(s) and probably turn out 20% monthly. I can certainly appreciate "no need to complicate" because I have a lifetime of "tinkering" things into complication. But, if a fuge is benefitial in my sit (even if it is just a little) I would do it. Where is a good spot to find the details on starting a fuge? My saltwater books don't really give me too much info. Thanks again guys.
 

dogstar

Active Member
Is this tank drilled or do you have an overflow and a sump/wetdry filter now on it. If so then it will be real easy to switch/add a fuge.
 

jjlittle

Member
well there are so many versions of refrugs most make there own . A refrug is just a tank linked to the main tank most have it set with low flow deeper sand or mud bed some LR and macro algea .example your tank would most likely not get hair algea any more for it would no thrive your nitrate phosphate would be zero or very close to when you have a established refrug. It is a safe house for pods like stated above which is good and the addition to your water volume is always good.
 

abethedog

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My tank is not drilled. I have overflows. The sump is under in the cabinet. But, I just built a new house and I have suction/pressure lines in the wall already. (I build inground swimming pools. I can get many pumps) So my sump will actually be in the basement and the tank will be on the first story. So, I have a ton of room for my sump/chiller/supplies. I also have a 10 gallon tank that currently isn't used. I could hook that up to my sump in the basement. I'm gonna do it.
My avatar is my 1 1/2 old cat that seems to enjoy any box that is opened. I would think my cat would be more of a "tastes great."
What would be a shopping list of livestock/sand/etc.?
What are "pods" Hope that isn't a stupid question.
 

bret61081

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I jsut built one on my 55g. Took a 10G tank drilled it...have about 40-60 GPH flow in there from the sump and then it flows back in to the sump over the pump back to the main tank. Its only been set up about 2 weeks and its working great. I have a high fish load so usually after a week my nitrates reach 30-40 and I have to do a 10G water change...since its been set up my nitrates have stayed at 20...I have 20 pounds of live sand, caulerpa, a few mangroves, red graciliaria, chaetomorpha and about 5 pounds of live rock rubble(adding more soon). IMO its worth setting up....
 

abethedog

Member
Is the fuge supplied by your main pumps pressure and gravity fed back to the sump? Or are there more pumps?
TIA
 

azocean709

Member
a fuge is very simple. it is a place for benificial bacteria , pods and such to grow without being in threat of the creatures of your maintank., in my fuge i have a 4 inch live sand bed, macro algae, <cheatomorpha> which eats nitrates, live rock, ect. I believe in the saying "if it aint broke...don't fix it" but adding a fuge to your system will only help you...not hurt you. a fuge should be at least half the sixe of your main tank...for instance...my 55 gallon...i have a 30 gallon fuge. <population i guess you can say> now my fuge is fed by my Overflow box...it drains into the left of my fuge..into the sump..then it goes through some baffles, which are there to eliminate micro bubbles, into the actual rufugium chamber which houses what i have spoke of...then goes through 2 more baffles then to my Return chamber..where the pump sits to shoot the water back to my DT. It sounds harder than it really is...it is quite simple...i have posted some pics of mine when i first hooked it up...theres no goodies in it yet in these pics...no i have it loaded and as soon as i can i will post them...but these might help you to build one. <cost me 40 bucks to put this one together>
 

abethedog

Member
Thanks for the pictures. :cheer:
I am assuming that the "pods" and "macroalgea" are naturally occuring. How or should I cure the live rock and live sand before I hook up to the main. I am currently looking for a 40 to a 50 used glass tank. I would just silicone some plexi in there for dividers.
Azocean 709, are the baffels important?
Do you think there is a benefit of maybe using my existing 30 gal sump in someway? Maybe adding it to the 40-50?
Keep sending picts, please.
 

smoney

Active Member
The baffles are very important. The reason they do use baffles is to reduce the bubbles that come from the overflow to your refuge. If you dont use the baffles, there will be a bunch of bubbles shooting back into your main tank.
I was building a refugium for my 50 gallon display tank. Although I built a 10 gallon refuge, building a 30 gallon refuge is along the same lines check this thread out.
Check this out---->
https://www.saltwaterfish.com/vb/show...aking+refugium
 

azocean709

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baffles are important. in my experience with a smaller tank the baffles are very important. not only do they reduce the micro bubbles that may enter your main tank, but it also creates oxyenation to your water...<i think i spelled that right...lol> you want a good turn over in your tank. my 55 has 21 times turn over. what you do to gather that is take all the numbers of any pump that you have.....gph. for example 2 of my powerheads are 145 gph, and 2 of them are 300 gph, and my return pump is 1200 gph, but at 4 ft has400 gph...<so that is the number to use> i have a 70 gph pump in the fuge....ect....you add all that up and divide it by the gallon size of your tank. just to make it clear, i have a <powerheads> 300 145 145 145, return 400 and my lil pump at 70...add all that up you get 1205. i would divide that by 55..<the size of my tank> and that will get you your turn over rate. the baffles in your tank on the other hand...<the main topic> are imprtant and will help a great deal with your tank...not only filtration, but as i said oxygen in the water and so forth. my fuge...has a set of baffles up front where the water enters the fuge from the main tank...this cahmber is for the skimmer , heater, ect...<the sump> after the baffles it goes to the Refugium chamber where i have a 4 inch sand bed, LR, and Cheatomorpha. then goes through the second set of baffles to the Return chamber back to my tank....Im not good at ecplaining things, but i hope this helps.
 

tthemadd1

Active Member
I feel that refugiums are the best way to create a more natural environment. The more natural the setup the less work needed to maintain a healthy system. A good refugium should definately have low turnover. You want to be sure the water entering the refugium has plenty of time to get scrubbed clean. The baffles do provide a place for the bubbles to excape and also provide more surface area for bacteria to grow. Filling the baffles with LR rubble will also create more surface area for the scrubbing action of bacteria. The main area of the refugium can be used to grow algae, and biodivers pods, worms, etc. I almost forgot that you can keep the major mechanics in the refugium preferrably before the baffles. Although, I would keep the heater in the area after the larger section. The warmer water running through the main area can cause problems with the plants, and animals. There is so much benefit to refugiums I cant even start to explain. One other thing about refugiums. I wouldnt have one smaller than 20 long. The smaller 10 gal refugiums are realy sumps because the space is not there to really get alot of benefit. The rule of thumb is 1/4 your main tank size. Although, any smaller than 20 gallons is not going to give you good results. Possibly a smaller tank would work for the nanos out there. Good luck.
Themadd1
 

abethedog

Member
Would there be a problem with my finding a 50 or larger tank, getting some acrylic and building this fuge/sump combo? I realize that most people do this. But, my 30 gallon sump seems jammed with stuff. Or would it make sense to feed my fuge to my sump in different tanks. I do enjoy making things difficult, making mistakes and kicking my own ass. But, I always try!
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