Replacing Base Rock with LR

kalamity

Member
Ok, so I'm starting my tank and looking into the future. I can't afford to fill the tank with LR right now, but I can probably do it bit by bit. So, if I start with some base rock (aragonite and dead coral), is it feasible that I can replace it piece by piece over the course of a couple of months? If I do it slowly, I shouldn't loose too much bacteria at once, right? And, that won't mess too much with the tank?
--Sorry for the re-post, but I meant to start this as its own thread, not a reply.
 

francisco5

Member
Base rock will turn in to live rock, no sense in replacing it unless you just do not like the shape or something like that.
 
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thomas712

Guest
Just keep the base rock and add a piece of liverock or two when you can. Heck I started my 90 gallon with 50lbs of base rock and live rock from my old 55 gallon tank, all of it is live rock now. I still keep a box of base rock for when I want to change something.
Thomas
 

kalamity

Member
Awesome. How long does it take for the base rock to become live rock? I knew it was possible, but I thought it would be really difficult.
 

some1fishy

Member
no time line... it depends on how established the system is. Yours is new so it could take several months to a year (if you had to time line it). Hang in there, I am sure you will be pleased at the final result. You have to think "In a year from now......"
 

mrchinky71

Member
Originally Posted by some1fishy
no time line... it depends on how established the system is. Yours is new so it could take several months to a year (if you had to time line it). Hang in there, I am sure you will be pleased at the final result. You have to think "In a year from now......"

Im starting a tank as well, my tank has been up for about 3 weeks still in the cycling process, i have about 45lbs of Live Sand, and about 35 lbs of base rock. My question is, even though the base rock will become live, it won't have any of the good stuff like pods and worms?
 

joesalmi

Member
I have both live rock and base rock in my tank, if it takes time for the BR to turn in to LR how do you know it is LR?
 

joesalmi

Member
Just to further educate...
The use of live rock immediately introduces into the aquarium numerous algae, bacteria and small invertebrates all of which contribute to the overall quality of the aquarium water. Live rock has just as much, if not more, surface area for bacteria than a trickle filter. Since live rock in the aquarium contains various types of bacteria, algae and corals, waste products such as ammonia, nitrate and phosphate can have a number of fates. Ammonia, nitrate and phosphate are readily assimilated by algae and photosynthetic corals growing on and in the rock. Ammonia can also be quickly converted into nitrate by the bacteria on and in the rock. This nitrate can be either absorbed by the algae and corals, or it can be denitrified by bacteria in close proximity to the nitrate producing bacteria.
 

dmjordan

Active Member
Originally Posted by JoeSalmi
I have both live rock and base rock in my tank, if it takes time for the BR to turn in to LR how do you know it is LR?
As baserock is seeded with LR and LS it will slowly begin to get the same coraline and other calcareous algaes as the LR has. Base rock slowly starts to look exactly like the LR and when fully established you will not be able to tell the difference between the two.
 

joesalmi

Member
I found this for those that would like to know about how or why we cure LR.
The term cure is a slang word that is applies to the process of conditioning or cycling live rock (LR) for use in a saltwater aquarium. Cured means that it is live rock that has already been conditioned and is stable to use right away in an aquarium with minimal concern under certain guidelines. Another term often used in reference to cured live rock is seeded, as well as precured, fully cured or cycled. When you see live rock labeled as fresh, uncured or unseeded this means it is NOT cured and it shouldn't be placed directly into a main aquarium until you cure it. When it comes to transhipped labeling this usually means it is not cured, but in some cases a supplier may ship it in and precure it first, or may offer both types of transhipped rock for sale.
Richard Londeree of Tampa Bay Saltwater was one of the first pioneers to fight for the federal lease laws to allow the seeding and propagation of live rock in Florida/Gulf open waters. We consulted with Richard who has been dealing in live rock, both harvested and aquacultured for many years, and asked his opinion about curing live rock. This is what he had to say:
"Curing live rock is a term that came about because of the stress that rock is subjected to during the collection process. Some collectors get it off the reef, sit it on the beach all day in the sun, hold it another day or two out of the water, box it up, send it to it's destination with multiple airline stops along the way, and finally it arrives to the buyer on the other end. So you have rock that may have been out of the water for up to 3-5 days. At that point most all the life that was on the rocks is dead and smelly, thus you have to tank the rock and cure it, which really means you hold it a couple of weeks to let it stop smelling so much so it can be sold. A better term would be, bringing the dead back to life, which is what has to be done with rock from some suppliers. Rock harvested and held correctly does not need to be cured, as it is alive and not smelly."
At TBS when they collect their rock it comes up in bags, is immediately submerged in water in 5 gallon buckets, transported to shore underwater, on their truck, underwater, 30 minutes to the shop where it is then held underwater. Because of the collecting process they use, Richard says that, "This way there is minimal die off, the rock smells good, is alive and happy. If left to sit on the floor for five days, imagine how it would smell!"
Now that you have a better understanding of what curing means, why it may be necessary to cure live rock and how to identify different types by the names given it, before going into the process of how to cure live rock there are some very important Guidelines that one should follow when working with any type of live rock. These Guidelines can help to make your venture into keeping live rock a more successful and productive one, and should be read before jumping in.
 

kalamity

Member
Originally Posted by JoeSalmi
I found this for those that would like to know about how or why we cure LR.

Rock harvested and held correctly does not need to be cured, as it is alive and not smelly."
"This way there is minimal die off, the rock smells good, is alive and happy. If left to sit on the floor for five days, imagine how it would smell!"

So, does that mean if the rock I buy at the LFS doesn't smell bad when I take it from the tank that I don't need to cure it?
 

dmjordan

Active Member
Originally Posted by kalamity
So, does that mean if the rock I buy at the LFS doesn't smell bad when I take it from the tank that I don't need to cure it?
If you buy LR out of a display tank with fish in it than more then likely it is fully cured. LR that is fully cured should be transported from store to your home in saltwater to prevent die off ( unless you live close to store). IMO it is better to go ahead and place in a large container and start curing the rock anyway. If after a few of days all levels stay zero then go ahead and put it in your tank. This hobby requires alot of patience. Rushing things can only lead to an unhealthy tank and fish loss.
 

symon

Member
I started my tank with about 30 lbs of base and 30 lbs of live, that was over a year ago now, I can no longer tell it was base rock! I belive it is a good way to get things going, Now i see feather dusters and pods all over everything!
 
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