Republican Candidates

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
What do you think about Mick's I support a mandate, but I'm not for socialised medicine?
Your candidates are all over the place, just like the support for those candidates. Obama will get a lot of independent and Republican support. His campaign has been flawless. Obama's health plan doesn't socialize medicine... it still holds in place employer offered insurance, but what it does is provide affordable insurance for those who now can't afford it, and it covers children who have no choice. But what it isn't is a free plan for all americans.. which is more what Clinton's plan is offering. So Obama's plan gives you a choice to either buy or not to for adults... but it will be more affordable than current plans. But for all you have looked into individual plans... very expensive for some people at $300+ a month... this plan would be like $180. Our insurance and medical expenses are too high... And its not like you have the option to shop around for a better heart transplant, or surgery price...etc.

 

[burch2006]

why is it the governments job to support health care, and spend money on health care? Thats not in the constitution for the national government list of responsibilities. WHY don't we do it how it's supposed to be done, and let the states mandate it, and put more effort into making sure our local and state leaders do what they are supposed to do?

 

[kjr_trig]

I think the Republicans have a pretty good field of candidates this year. I like McCain the best, then Romney. I like Giuliani policy-wise, but I think he has too many character issues, and would not be the best choice to beat the democrats. At first I liked Huckabee a lot, but as he gains momentum, I seem to like him a little less (now that he is more under the microscope). I like McCain as I think he is a great leader, and frankly he is the only one on either side I fully trust that what he says is what he means, and he is not just saying what we want to hear. Also McCain will work with Dems to get things done, he is the most bipartisan candidate on either side.
I truely hope this country has the sence not to elect Hillary or Obama....I just cringe at the thought of any hard working American having to give 50% of their paycheck to the government which is what they are proposing for the upper class to pay for their "programs"

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[rudedog40]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
Let me please reiterate, I don't want to hear what you libs think about republican candidates. That is another argument for another day. I'm not looking for Bush bashing, unless you have a legit policy difference like domestic spending, or immagration. He isn't running for president.

Whose bashing 'W'? The only Bush mentioned in this thread was Jeb. So what exactly are you trying to get or accomplish with this thread? Is this a 'GOP Only' thread? Are you that unsure about which GOP candidate you prefer, that you want other GOPers to sway you one way or the other? Personally, I think the candidates on both sides are useless. They all spout what the public wants to hear, but never follow through on their promises once they get elected. It's gotten to the point that the only election that matters is the Congressional elections. If the Congressional Party that is in the majority, is the opposite affiliation than the president (Like now. We have a Democratic-majority Congress, and a Republican president), you end up with a 'lame duck' president that can't get any of his policies passed. So no matter which GOP gets elected, unless the Republicans can get back the control of the House and Senate, the guy will be wasting our time.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
....overall I do not see any need for have religious morals forced onto the country ...
The only religious views being forced on anyone in this country are from the Atheists...

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
Whose bashing 'W'? The only Bush mentioned in this thread was Jeb. So what exactly are you trying to get or accomplish with this thread? Is this a 'GOP Only' thread? Are you that unsure about which GOP candidate you prefer, that you want other GOPers to sway you one way or the other? Personally, I think the candidates on both sides are useless. They all spout what the public wants to hear, but never follow through on their promises once they get elected. It's gotten to the point that the only election that matters is the Congressional elections. If the Congressional Party that is in the majority, is the opposite affiliation than the president (Like now. We have a Democratic-majority Congress, and a Republican president), you end up with a 'lame duck' president that can't get any of his policies passed. So no matter which GOP gets elected, unless the Republicans can get back the control of the House and Senate, the guy will be wasting our time.
yes actually it is, if you would take the liberty to read the first post. I really don't care what a lib thinks because they are voting in their primaries, and I'm voting in mine. I'm curious as to what other republican people are thinking or not thinking mainly because they've been on TV talking for the last 2 days. I'm not sure how...

Jeb Bush? Youy've got to be joking!

The guy doesn't even deserve to be a Governor, much less a presidential candidate. He mirrors all his brother's policies, and doesn't have a clue how the federal government should be run. QUOTE]
Is not bush bashing. If you had said I am fiscally conservative and judging from the size of the federal budget I dont think bush is. That is fine, but saying that JEB mirrors bush and doesn't have a clue, I'm lead to assume that you think W doesn't have a clue. And that is not the "idea" of this thread.
The whole point of this was for some one who is going to vote in the republican primary to communicate their impressions after watching these guys on tv for 4 hours, over the last few days. Is that too much to ask?

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
Your candidates are all over the place, just like the support for those candidates. Obama will get a lot of independent and Republican support. His campaign has been flawless. Obama's health plan doesn't socialize medicine... it still holds in place employer offered insurance, but what it does is provide affordable insurance for those who now can't afford it, and it covers children who have no choice. But what it isn't is a free plan for all americans.. which is more what Clinton's plan is offering. So Obama's plan gives you a choice to either buy or not to for adults... but it will be more affordable than current plans. But for all you have looked into individual plans... very expensive for some people at $300+ a month... this plan would be like $180. Our insurance and medical expenses are too high... And its not like you have the option to shop around for a better heart transplant, or surgery price...etc.
Wrong, wrong and more wrong...
Obama won't get any Republican support. Seriously Ryan, you don't know what Conservatives believe in at all. Obama is a Socialist. His thinking is 180 degrees away from what Republicans believe in.
Obama's plan is socialized medicine with a bow on top. It still fails to address the fact that socialism at any level doesn't work (look at Medicare) And, of course, a "child" is anyone up to 25 years old....

Not like that is pandoring to any block of voters out there. It will NOT be more affordable, it will just be paid for by hard working Americans through outragious taxation.

 

[kjr_trig]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Wrong, wrong and more wrong...
Obama won't get any Republican support. Seriously Ryan, you don't know what Conservatives believe in at all. Obama is a Socialist. His thinking is 180 degrees away from what Republicans believe in.
Obama's plan is socialized medicine with a bow on top. It still fails to address the fact that socialism at any level doesn't work (look at Medicare) And, of course, a "child" is anyone up to 25 years old....

Not like that is pandoring to any block of voters out there. It will NOT be more affordable, it will just be paid for by hard working Americans through outragious taxation.
I just saw that too!!! Rylan, there is no chance Obama will get any republican support, the guy wants to not only kill the upper class with taxes, but the middle class too...It really confuses me how anyone middle class or above would even think about voting for Hillary or Obama.

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
The only religious views being forced on anyone in this country are from the Atheists...
What about marriage?
And what religious beliefs have been forced on us from Atheists? I have never found the government trying to tell me I cannot believe in my religion of choice.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
What about marriage?
And what religious beliefs have been forced on us from Atheists? I have never found the government trying to tell me I cannot believe in my religion of choice.
What about marriage? You're not referring to the recent trend by certain minorities to redefine it are you?
Atheism has tried to force the Federal Holiday of Christmas to be removed from the public, has tried to force freedom of Religion from being practiced at sporting events and ceremonies such as graduations, and tried to force a person's right to express their faith (and thus removing their freedom of speech) from the public square.

 

[clown boy]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
The only religious views being forced on anyone in this country are from the Atheists...
SO TRUE!!

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
What about marriage? You're not referring to the recent trend by certain minorities to redefine it are you?
Atheism has tried to force the Federal Holiday of Christmas to be removed from the public, has tried to force freedom of Religion from being practiced at sporting events and ceremonies such as graduations, and tried to force a person's right to express their faith (and thus removing their freedom of speech) from the public square.
Yes, I am referring to the trend by certain religious minorities to keep people they fear and hate from having the same freedoms as the rest of the population enjoys.
As far as the evil Atheists... I think I can live with celebrating Christmas on my own regardless of if it is a federal holiday, and I can practice my religion anywhere anytime I want regardless of if it is organized by public institutions.. As far as free speech, it isn't the freedom to say anything you want anywhere you want... it is the freedom to expess ones beliefs.

 

[clown boy]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
What about marriage?
And what religious beliefs have been forced on us from Atheists? I have never found the government trying to tell me I cannot believe in my religion of choice.
Prayer and OPTIONAL Bible Classes are now prohibited in schools, for one.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
Yes, I am referring to the trend by certain religious minorities to keep people they fear and hate from having the same freedoms as the rest of the population enjoys.
As far as the evil Atheists... I think I can live with celebrating Christmas on my own regardless of if it is a federal holiday, and I can practice my religion anywhere anytime I want regardless of if it is organized by public institutions.. As far as free speech, it isn't the freedom to say anything you want anywhere you want... it is the freedom to expess ones beliefs.
I don't fear or hate any man or woman. That said, I'm not about to let anyone redefine a sacred ceremony to conform to their lifestyles.
As for the rest of your post; You asked what Atheists were taking away and I listed examples. I too can practice Christmas on my own and practice my religion in private. The point is, Constitutionally I shouldn't have too.
As for the freedom of speech and religion; you're wrong. The Constitution states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"

 

[itom37]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
What about marriage? You're not referring to the recent trend by certain minorities to redefine it are you?
Hasn't the "recent trend" been towards the government to tighten the definition to exclude that minority?
Marriage is a religious institution.
This country is supposed to have separation of church and state.
It is not possible to make a case against homosexuality on any moral or ethical grounds without citing a religious text.
Therefore a federal law making it illegal for homosexuals to marry is completely unconstitutional, unethical, immoral, and seething with hate.
It astounds me that this is an argument, considering how principally unconstitutional it is, but it's what I should expect in a country where people will abandon ethics for what makes them comfortable. It's scary stuff, but it pervades our society.
Churches can deny gays marriage all they want, but a law against it is craziness. I also think the state should not recognize any "marriage", rather only civil unions (which these days is already implied by marriage) which any two people of sound mind and legal age can enter into regardless of --- or preference. Those civil unions should be given identical rights.
Mike Huckabee is scary.
This is the word of iTom37.

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by Clown Boy
Prayer and OPTIONAL Bible Classes are now prohibited in schools, for one.
SO they hunt you down if you pray? I always thought prayer was something that was supposed to be done in private... And I am sure you can find plenty of places to get optional bible classes.

 

[itom37]

In my above post --- is supposed to be a three letter word that means whether or not something, in this case a human, is male or female. I'm still unsure why, in a forum that deals with animals whose... male or femaleness, often needs to be referred to, that word gets filtered out. It's not dirty.

 

[rudedog40]

yes actually it is, if you would take the liberty to read the first post. I really don't care what a lib thinks because they are voting in their primaries, and I'm voting in mine. I'm curious as to what other republican people are thinking or not thinking mainly because they've been on TV talking for the last 2 days. I'm not sure how...
Originally Posted by rudedog40
Jeb Bush? Youy've got to be joking!

The guy doesn't even deserve to be a Governor, much less a presidential candidate. He mirrors all his brother's policies, and doesn't have a clue how the federal government should be run. QUOTE]
Is not bush bashing. If you had said I am fiscally conservative and judging from the size of the federal budget I dont think bush is. That is fine, but saying that JEB mirrors bush and doesn't have a clue, I'm lead to assume that you think W doesn't have a clue. And that is not the "idea" of this thread.
The whole point of this was for some one who is going to vote in the republican primary to communicate their impressions after watching these guys on tv for 4 hours, over the last few days. Is that too much to ask?

Well at least you got the part about 'W' "not having a clue" right.

You think the Republican candidates have been the only ones on TV? One thing you personally need to do is think with an open mind. There's nothing worse in the American political system than being closed-minded and voting strictly along party lines. The GOP candidates may be promoting most of the policies that you believe in, but do they promote them all? When I vote, I NEVER vote the single button 'Vote all Republican (or Democrat) candidates'. That's what's wrong with Congress today. The politicians don't care what their constituents want, it's what their PARTY wants. I've listened to both sides of the debate. So far, NONE of the candidates on either side impress me. If you're so Gung Ho about the Republican candidates, you should embrace the liberals who are posting on this thread. Give them some positive views of the Republican candidates, and maybe you can sway a few more votes their way.

 

[itom37]

Originally Posted by Clown Boy
Prayer and OPTIONAL Bible Classes are now prohibited in schools, for one.
Personal prayer is not illegal... How could it be? A public school should not offer a bible class, that's spot on.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by itom37
Hasn't the "recent trend" been towards the government to tighten the definition to exclude that minority?
Marriage is a religious institution.
This country is supposed to have separation of church and state..
No, the "trend" has been to loosen the definition of marriage to include forms that have previously not been recognized.
Our country, is of course, not supposed to have a seperation of church and state in the manner that you are trying to state. No matter how many times that drum is beat those words will never magically appear in our nation's founding documents. If that had been the case the founding fathers would not have opened their meetings in prayer, quoted scripture, mentioned the Creator and the nature of God, etc.