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ruaround

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WHAT???
how do... The Ronettes, Patti Smith and Grand Masterflash get voted into the Rock N Roll Hall Of Fame???
i agree that Van Halen/Hagar and R.E.M. should be in... but c'mon the other three contributed nothin to very little to Rock N Roll...
much like
Blondie and
Mile Davis fom last year...
 

renogaw

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didnt watch it,but was confused by these as well. i did though hear velvet revolver butcher a bunch of songs on the radio play back...
 

pontius

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Patti Smith is one of the most influential "underground" artists ever. If you take any "alternative" band from the past 20+ years and ask them to name their top 10 influences, her name is probably going to come up about as much as anybody else's.
I agree that Grandmaster Flash shouldn't be there, unless he's in some rock band that I don't know about. hip hop and rock and roll are 2 different things.
I've never heard of The Ronettes.
Miles Davis and Blondie both belong there.
what is the criteria for being in the RnR HOF and who are some deserving names that aren't there?
 

ruaround

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the criteria is vague... you can be inducted 25 years after your first album release... have to in some way influence and perpetuate rock n roll (including performing and non-performing i.e. disc jockey, producer, etc etc)... there are 3 to 8 inductees each year...
 

rylan1

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I disagree with you, GrandMaster Flash is very significant to the music industry. The reason why most people oppose his induction into the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame is because they don't know what he had done. His contributions are much bigger than just Hip Hop or Rap, but are scene in many other genres of music. One question I have though is, is the Rock N' Roll HOF just strictly for Rock N' Roll, or for other musicians/artists who do what is known as popular music?
His contributions are he transformed the disc jockey of the past who simply played records to what we know today by inventing "cutting" which is what we know now as "scratching". He used duplicate copies of a single record and two turntables (for cutting) but added a dexterous manual edit with a mixer to promote the break (the ordinary playing of the record would be interrupted to overlay the break, the break could be repeated by using the mixer to switch channels while the second record was spun back.
Now there are numerous rock bands and rap artists that used this and still are. Are there any bands that you guys enjoy that have some form of this in their music???
Limp Bizkit, Beastie Boys, BloodHound Gang, Gorillaz I'm not a rock fan but here are a few. As well as it started/influenced other genres such as hip hop techno, etc.....Anyhow this invention dramatically changed music!
 

smork81

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Blondie...Yeh she should be in there..dunno wtf mr flash is there for...thats insane...Hell i dunno why cradle of filth..Ministry, opeth etc etc isnt in there...Sigh they need a metal hall of fame. oh yeh and Megadeath! FFS!!
 

pontius

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
I disagree with you, GrandMaster Flash is very significant to the music industry. The reason why most people oppose his induction into the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame is because they don't know what he had done. His contributions are much bigger than just Hip Hop or Rap, but are scene in many other genres of music. One question I have though is, is the Rock N' Roll HOF just strictly for Rock N' Roll, or for other musicians/artists who do what is known as popular music?
His contributions are he transformed the disc jockey of the past who simply played records to what we know today by inventing "cutting" which is what we know now as "scratching". He used duplicate copies of a single record and two turntables (for cutting) but added a dexterous manual edit with a mixer to promote the break (the ordinary playing of the record would be interrupted to overlay the break, the break could be repeated by using the mixer to switch channels while the second record was spun back.
Now there are numerous rock bands and rap artists that used this and still are. Are there any bands that you guys enjoy that have some form of this in their music???
Limp Bizkit, Beastie Boys, BloodHound Gang, Gorillaz I'm not a rock fan but here are a few. As well as it started/influenced other genres such as hip hop techno, etc.....Anyhow this invention dramatically changed music!

rock and roll involves guitar, bass, drums, and vocals. unless the Grandmaster is in a band that incorporates all of those, he doesn't belong in a Rock and Roll HOF anymore than Babe Ruth belongs in the Football HOF. Gorillaz is not considered a rock band. the other 3 you mentioned ARE rock bands, because they use rock instruments. scratching on a record is a hip hop instrument. whether or not it happens to be used in a rock band setting still doesn't make it rock and roll.
 

ruaround

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Originally Posted by Smork81
Blondie...Yeh she should be in there..dunno wtf mr flash is there for...thats insane...Hell i dunno why cradle of filth..Ministry, opeth etc etc isnt in there...Sigh they need a metal hall of fame. oh yeh and Megadeath! FFS!!
Cradle and Minisrty dont meat the minimum of 25 years... Cant wait for Falco to be inducted... hed fit right in... Ooo rock me Amadeus Ooo Rock me Amadeus... :hilarious
 

schneidts

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'Cant wait for Falco to be inducted... hed fit right in... Ooo rock me Amadeus Ooo Rock me Amadeus...'
:hilarious
 

smork81

Member
Originally Posted by ruaround
Cradle and Minisrty dont meat the minimum of 25 years... Cant wait for Falco to be inducted... hed fit right in... Ooo rock me Amadeus Ooo Rock me Amadeus... :hilarious
Well ministry started with their first album in 1983 "With Sympathy" thats 24 yrs not 25...oops
 

smork81

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oh and i forgot to mention the great Yngwie J. Malmsteen!! if he isnt inducted in 3 years i will start a riot!!! his first was "Rising Force" 1984.
 

ruaround

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speaking of riot... does Quiet Riot deserve to be inducted for being the first "heavy metal" band to get into the top 5 of the billboard charts??? it was a cover... not original...
 

nigerbang

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Originally Posted by Smork81
Blondie...Yeh she should be in there..dunno wtf mr flash is there for...thats insane...Hell i dunno why cradle of filth..Ministry, opeth etc etc isnt in there...Sigh they need a metal hall of fame. oh yeh and Megadeath! FFS!!
Ministry..Ok I can buy that...Everyother album AJ does comes out good..COF..come on now..."Wow, We act like Vampires and dress in all black" I will give "Danny Filth" this..I have read some interviews with him and he seems to be very inteligent..(As does Marylin Manson{Just for you Oceanist})
The Grandfather Flash issue shouldnt be an issue as he is not in Rock n Roll.
I have to agree 100% with Yngwie J. Malmsteen being inducted..That would just be absurd if he gets passed up..
 

dskrezyna

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Originally Posted by ruaround
WHAT???
much like
Mile Davis fom last year...
OMG! Are you kidding? He's one of the most influential jazz artists of all time!
Miles Davis. John Coltrane should get in too, if he hasn't already.
 

smork81

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Mr filth and the band dress in black and act like vampires cause of the $$$$!! GO to there website He says it! They market to a certain crowd and thats what they do!! so what???? That doesnt make the music bad now does it?
p.s.----I DO NOT where ALL black and i am not gothic BTW!
 

pontius

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I, for one, wouldn't put Yngwie Malmsteen in there. yeah, he can play 1000 notes a minute. but he wouldn't know melody if it smacked him in the face. go on youtube and find the video of him playing a "blues" solo. it's truly laughable, it's like a SRV song sped up to the speed of light, it's not even close to being "blues".
but yeah, Megadeth, Slayer, Metallica...I'd put all of them in there.
 

ruaround

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Originally Posted by dskrezyna
OMG! Are you kidding? He's one of the most influential jazz artists of all time!
Miles Davis. John Coltrane should get in too, if he hasn't already.
you said it ALL... JAZZ... not Rock N Roll... never said he was bad or i didnt think he was a great musician... perhaps the term rock n roll is a little too vague... you wouldnt call him rock n roll would you???
who knows maybe in 20 years or so Rascal Flatts will get inducted...
 

pontius

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Originally Posted by ruaround
you said it ALL... JAZZ... not Rock N Roll... never said he was bad or i didnt think he was a great musician... perhaps the term rock n roll is a little too vague... you wouldnt call him rock n roll would you???
who knows maybe in 20 years or so Rascal Flatts will get inducted...
Miles Davis played with a bunch of people in the early days of Rock that would go on to become "rock stars". his improv style influenced people like Hendrix, who in turn began to improv on their own instruments (in guitar terms, 'improv' is a spontaneous 'solo'). so without people like Miles Davis doing improv and fusion stuff (welding different styles together), you wouldn't have guitar solos, or Hendrix's great great way of fusing blues and rock together, etc etc etc. I can see how Miles Davis would be considered a rock and roll influence. I just don't see how somebody scratching on a record is seen in that same light.
 

smork81

Member
Originally Posted by Pontius
I, for one, wouldn't put Yngwie Malmsteen in there. yeah, he can play 1000 notes a minute. but he wouldn't know melody if it smacked him in the face. go on youtube and find the video of him playing a "blues" solo. it's truly laughable, it's like a SRV song sped up to the speed of light, it's not even close to being "blues".
but yeah, Megadeth, Slayer, Metallica...I'd put all of them in there.
HE doesnt play blues u idiot!
SLAP!!!!
 

pontius

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Originally Posted by Smork81
HE doesnt play blues u idiot!
SLAP!!!!
no crap. did you go on youtube like I told you to and find the video where he says, "NOW HERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES FROM THE BLUES SCALE"????? you're right, he DOESN'T play blues, he just made an incredibly lousy attempt to and showed how one dimensional he is.
here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWm12...elated&search=
great playing, just not great blues playing. it's not completely terrible, but it's no SRV, Hendrix, or Clapton. but it is WAY too fast.
 
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