sailfin tang with ick

[traker]

We purchased a sailfin tang 2 weeks ago and it now has ick, none of our other fish are showing signs of it we went to lfs and the owner told us to try Rid fungus by kordon has anyone tried this for ick? it says it is 100 percent organic we followed the directions and now our water has a brownish tint and our chromis are showing signs of stress(heavy gilling and hovering around the bottom of the tank...any suggestions??

 

[deejeff442]

typical fish store ,wrong as usuall.
there are no products out there except copper thatwill get rid of ich .
you need to post the water perameters.
what is in the tank.
you need to either hypo or copper the tank.
if there is lr and inverts you need to set up a qt .as hypo will kill them
once the ich is in the water it is there to stay untill it is delt with ,just a matter of days before the rest of the fish are infected.
start with a 50% water change to get the crap out that he sold you.
read the disease post from beth in the desease forum about hypo.
you need to keep the fish eating or they are all in big trouble.
hypo and copper work more or les the same way so hypo is safer and both methods take a month to kill the ich.
this forum has alot of great hobbiests with years of experience and no biased opinions.whats the store gunna tell you when the whole tank dies?

 

[traker]

tank is 120gal
nitrate 0
PH 8.0
po4 0
for fish we have
1 bicolor blenny
1 royal gramma
4 false perc clowns
2 hippo tangs
1 sailfin tang
6 green chromis
1 pearly jawfish
1 cleaner shrimp
all are pretty small the tank was set up 1st week of feb...I know we added to much too fast we listened to lfs guy(same one that told us about rid fungus...go figure) we are still learning, I wish we would have found this forum before we listened to him and he has been in business for over 20 years!!
and a good cleaner crew(5 emerald crabs,and about 35 turbo/astera snails,15 blueleg hermits and 15-20 scarlet hermits
also 60lbs lr with star polyp and red mushrooms
thanks for input we will be doing water change today and going to get a qt I just hope it cycles before we lose all of our fish

 

[kube]

i say if u dont have a large quarantine tank get a large Rubbermaid, mix up some water in there put a heater and a couple of power heads in there , and place lr,inverts and anything else hypo kill kill in there and do hypo on the dt tank for 6-8 week, thats enough time to kill ick in the dt and enough time to kill ick on the rock and inverts and then your good to go, worked for me, remember you need a refractometer for hypo though, put a post in the sick fish forum and the experts can guide you through the process

 

[jackri]

I would say it's funny he said use Rid Fungus for a parasite.. but really it's not.
If you can't QT the fish make sure they are kept on a very healthy diet and I would supplement garlic/selcon on alternating days. Not that either of those does anything to kill ich but IMO is beneficial to the fish's health and helping its own immune system to try and beat it.
I've seen a purple tang totally devasted by ich, fin rot and white blotches and a year and a half later the lfs still has him for sale (I will give them credit for keeping a fish alive they got in deadly sick) and he's only a shell of a fish in appearance but today healthy although scarred and shortened fins.
They actually kept him in his own tank and just kept feeding him a healthy diet. Now of course no one will pay 120 bucks for a fish that looks like it survived a blender.
QT if you can though

 

[traker]

We are going to get the qt now we did read the posts from beth and are going to follow her advice and do the hypo hopefully everything makes it we will keep you posted and thanks again for your input

 

[florida joe]

hypo and copper work more or les the same way so hypo is safer and both methods take a month to kill the ich.
Copper kills via Toxins. Hypo kills through lack of osmotic pressure differential

 

[deejeff442]

i know that ,but they both kill the ich at the same life stage .
in the water column not on thefish.

 

[jackri]

Good luck... nasty parasite and wish you all the best fighting it!

 

[oceansidefish]

I would like to add that you will need to get rid of some of the fish in your tank. Your heavy stocklist will continue to stress out the fish in your tank.... The clowns will eventually go down to 2 and the hippos are going to be devasted in there with a sailfin...Get rid of the 2 hippos as well. You are WAAAAYYYYY over your bioload for that tank...Good luck.

 

[florida joe]

Originally Posted by deejeff442
http:///forum/post/3029761
i know that ,but they both kill the ich at the same life stage .
in the water column not on thefish.
Hypo does not kill in the water column but when the parasite is attached to a surface and attempts division

 

[deejeff442]

yea your right ,the ich drops off the fish then lands where it breeds on a surface ,it cant do this with low salinity.
really meant once you dont see the ich on the fish anymore the ich still has a couple weeks of life cycle.so treatment is neccesary through the breeding stages.

 

[florida joe]

really meant once you dont see the ich on the fish anymore the ich still has a couple weeks of life cycle.so treatment is neccesary through the breeding stages.

 

[nycbob]

take all the fish out and treat it with copper in a quarantee tank. the dt, just leave it fishless for 5-6 weeks. this way, ur lr and inverts can stay inside the main tank. since ur tank has very few rocks, it should be easy catching the fish.