Saltwater newb

gummybear

New Member
Hey i'm a total noob when it comes to saltwater fish tanks. I'm just looking for some really good info on what to start off with. Tips would be great. Im thinking i'd start off with some fairly inexpensive fish in a medium size tank and see how I handle those.
Maybe I shouldn't start with any fish?
So a step by step process of what I should do would be awesome. I've had many fresh water tanks in the past and those were easy to maintane but i'd like to finally move up to saltwater which i've been thinking about for a while.
So once again any ideas how I should start off what products to buy and what life I should put in my first tank would be awesome.
 

ice4ice

Active Member
#1 thing to do BEFORE actually getting your feet wet into SW keeping - Read and research everything you need to know about salt water aquaria. The Conscientious Marine Aquarist is a good start.
Take it slow and don't rush into it.
 

baloo6969

Member
Hey man, first of all...the most important thing to do is get educated first. Good first step, ask questions but first get a book or 2...one's that are not too complex(i.e. go into details about families of fish, and explain too much chemistry...although these topics are essential; you may get deterred by the science alone)
Next take 2 major things into consideration. 1 - Money 2 - Size as with almost anything in life, size is always proportional to cost. However there are many different routes you can take. generally speaking a "Nano" with a clownfish, a good chuck of Live Rock or 2, some sand, some shrimp, some other small inverts, and a good combo Filter and Skimmer, decent light, and a <10 gallon tank could be less then 500$ and have a beautiful tank and love it and build from it...or it turn out to be a failed attempt and loose out on 500$
Or you could get a 175gal tank and spend thousands on hardware and stocking, and have a great first run...but generally speaking first timers will probably loose tons of money doing this.
Another rule of thumb (in some people’s opinion, like myself) larger is better, but obviously larger is more costly. Finding that size that fits your budget is key.
Here's what I did.
Sophomore year of college, while dorming, I won 1000$ and got my first CC, why not splurge. So I maxed out my first CC, I got a 55gallon tank from and built my first stand. got a cheepo can filter.
Got LR and LS from here. cycled it for 3 months, in the mean time bounced at a bar and bought a nice light system(what ever book you read, they will stress a good light system) ...then get some fish and some inverts, (no more than 2 fish at first, and a good cleaning crew)
Splurge on some more good filtration, PS are essential, and are a big expense at first, but well worth it. Gets a refuge going. And just keep adding SLOWLY!
In 3 years since college I’ve spend around $3,500 in equipment, supplies and stock....expect to spend that if you want a decent system. at 50gallons
I don’t know what book I read, but they constantly stressed "Hurry up and wait" it's key to a successful system.
Take your time. Read. Don’t jump into things. Ask questions. And remember don’t go on just one persons opinion. Read, and if you cant sit still to read a book about a hobbie you want to get into, it's probaby not hobbie to get into.
If you want I can give you more advice, but it's often hard to say "what do I get?" "Oh get this, this, and this. Your set" Everyone has there own opinion on who makes the best/price items. Want help, email me christopher.issler *AT* wilkes *dot* edu
also look up previous posts...tons of people have asked the same question.
 

gummybear

New Member
Originally Posted by baloo6969
Hey man, first of all...the most important thing to do is get educated first. Good first step, ask questions but first get a book or 2...one's that are not too complex(i.e. go into details about families of fish, and explain too much chemistry...although these topics are essential; you may get deterred by the science alone)
Next take 2 major things into consideration. 1 - Money 2 - Size as with almost anything in life, size is always proportional to cost. However there are many different routes you can take. generally speaking a "Nano" with a clownfish, a good chuck of Live Rock or 2, some sand, some shrimp, some other small inverts, and a good combo Filter and Skimmer, decent light, and a <10 gallon tank could be less then 500$ and have a beautiful tank and love it and build from it...or it turn out to be a failed attempt and loose out on 500$
Or you could get a 175gal tank and spend thousands on hardware and stocking, and have a great first run...but generally speaking first timers will probably loose tons of money doing this.
Another rule of thumb (in some people’s opinion, like myself) larger is better, but obviously larger is more costly. Finding that size that fits your budget is key.
Here's what I did.
Sophomore year of college, while dorming, I won 1000$ and got my first CC, why not splurge. So I maxed out my first CC, I got a 55gallon tank from and built my first stand. got a cheepo can filter.
Got LR and LS from here. cycled it for 3 months, in the mean time bounced at a bar and bought a nice light system(what ever book you read, they will stress a good light system) ...then get some fish and some inverts, (no more than 2 fish at first, and a good cleaning crew)
Splurge on some more good filtration, PS are essential, and are a big expense at first, but well worth it. Gets a refuge going. And just keep adding SLOWLY!
In 3 years since college I’ve spend around $3,500 in equipment, supplies and stock....expect to spend that if you want a decent system. at 50gallons
I don’t know what book I read, but they constantly stressed "Hurry up and wait" it's key to a successful system.
Take your time. Read. Don’t jump into things. Ask questions. And remember don’t go on just one persons opinion. Read, and if you cant sit still to read a book about a hobbie you want to get into, it's probaby not hobbie to get into.
If you want I can give you more advice, but it's often hard to say "what do I get?" "Oh get this, this, and this. Your set" Everyone has there own opinion on who makes the best/price items. Want help, email me christopher.issler *AT* wilkes *dot* edu
also look up previous posts...tons of people have asked the same question.
Hey thanks, anyways what did you win the 1000 dollars in? I won tons of money on fulltiltpoker and pokerstars. Those hobbies I had I read tons of books so yea im definatly interested in this and i'll go check out some books. Also my sister is graduating at BU in biology and minoring in marine bio. So she can help me a bit with some stuff.
 

baloo6969

Member
the 1000 was a parlay...won 250 on a scratch off...put it on a FB game, parlayed the O/U and bet the bookie i could drink him under the table...I won
 

gummybear

New Member
ok ive been lookin around on the forum and readin up to prepare myself. About how much does it cost though to setup a full SWA around 40 gallons or so?
 

d0 thy d3w

Member
it really depends on what your planing on setting up...do u think u will go for a reef tank? or a FOWLR <fish only with live rock)....Fowlrs are cheaper than reefs but in my opinion arent that great unless u have a really big tank that can host nice looking, big, expensive fish....for pc <power compact flourescent) lighting on a 40gallon... and this is just a guess because i dont know the dimensions of the tank...but id say around 170-230 dollars.... tahts probly around 200+ watts of light which will be good for soft corals but probbaly not stony corals.....or u can step up to t5 lighting or even better...metal halides..but theyre more costy....a descent protein skimmer will probly run around the neighborhood of 150-200 dollars....plus the cost of sand, livestock, coral, salt, and a reverse osmosis unit.....by the time ur done u will probably have spent around 2000 dollars..but i could be off....u cna save alot of money on corals tho...buy sumthing easy like mushrooms or zoos...both of which spread quite readily...u can frag them and trade for new coral species...or trade them to ur local fish store for credit towards fish, food, and all them other supplies....oh!! and i almost forgot one of the most important things!! your gunna need to go out and buy a test kit...test kits arent one of the items u wanna skimp on for price..the more expensive they are, the more accurate is a good way to look at it...ive heard good things about the salifert tests..i personally use API aquarium pharmacudicals...for the most part theyre ok...but almost always read that there is ammonia present in your water even when there is none present...hope this helps u...let us know if u have any more questions..and remember..the more specific the questions..the easier it is for us to answer them!
 

gummybear

New Member
Ok thanks, i'll probably go for FOWLR first and after a year or so maybe add some other stuff in there. I don't feel like investing a couple 1000 yet so would you say I can get a FOWLR up and running for around 650-750?
 
I would go with a nano cube reef set up. You can have a variety of species and not spend too much. If you wanna go big, get atleast 55g. I would search the classifieds, don't pay full price for a tank, there is always some schlep looking to get rid of a tank in the paper. Give it a month, one will pop up. The bigger the better, once you've got a stand, sand, LR, the rest of the cost isn't much different. Lights will be expensive no matter what, if you go with FOWLR like I did for a few years, then you don't need crazy lighting. Unless you go bigger than 100g, you can get by with a good canister filter and a couple of powerheads, unless you have an old 20g sitting around and wanna set up a sump.
Again, a nano cube can support corals, small fish, inverts, and I've seen some really cool set-ups, and you can keep it under 1000$
 

ice4ice

Active Member
Originally Posted by Myrtle Beach
I would go with a nano cube reef set up. You can have a variety of species and not spend too much.

While that's true but it is not recommended for a beginner to start out in salt water with a nano tank, IMO.
 

gummybear

New Member
Originally Posted by Ice4Ice
While that's true but it is not recommended for a beginner to start out in salt water with a nano tank, IMO.
yea I heard that.
 

gummybear

New Member
I actually hear that craigslist gives free tanks away occasionally, i'll keep checking to see if I can find a rare gem from someone moving out of house or something.
 

gummybear

New Member
This is actually posted up there on craigs list:
I have a 40 gallon deep fish tank that I no longer need. It comes with everything you need except the fish. This includes the gravel, artificial plants, stone figures, 2 filters, 2 air pumps, chemicals, food, the chemical test kit to check the levels in the water and a syphon hose used to drain and fill the tank. It also has a wood stand that has doors that open and close to store all that goes with it. The dimensions of the tank are 36 inches long, 24 inches tall and 12 inches wide. Th dimensions of the stand are 36 inches long, 28 inches tall and 12 inches wide. I paid $800 for everything listed but will sell for $240. I don't have the room to store so I would like to see this gone soon. If anyone is interested, please contact me. Thanks!
I wonder if I should check that out?
 

d0 thy d3w

Member
in my opinion long tanks are better..it gives the fish more horizontal swimming space..and also if u did decide to switch to a reef it would be alot easier to keep more difficult corals that need more light..with a deeper tank ud need alot more powerful lighting...my tank is only like 10inches deep or so..u could probly pick up a 40 gallon from the local fish store for around 100bucks without a stand....i payed 40 bucks for my 20L....plus longer tanks just look nicer...hook ureself up with probly around 40-50pounds of sand and around 50pounds of live rock..along with 2 or 3 powerheads and a good skimmer...i use a red sea prizm deluxe..it works fine for my application..and i think it was rated to skim up to 60gallons?? or maybe it was more..but it should do fine for a 40gallon...only problem i have with it is its kinda noisy...let us know if u need any more help!
 
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