Saturn (GM)

yearofthenick

Active Member
What do you know about their cars? We're thinking about getting an outlook. You can get a 2009 new for $32k-$44k... OR a 2008 (used) for $18k.
So aside from ridiculous depreciation, do you know anything about the company? Do they make good vehicles? Reliable? Safe?
 

socal57che

Active Member
I have family that works for GM. (lots of family)
I have worked on cars (for money) since before I could legally drive.
I wouldn't buy one. Third rate, IMO.
For the money, I would go Toyota.
V-8
Full frame (outlook is unibody)
Available with leather, dvd, nav, multi disc cd player with mp3 and wma playback.
 

aquaknight

Active Member
Instead of blind generalizations....

The Outlook is the third car in GM's attempt to rebuild Saturn. The first two where the Aura sedan and Sky roadster. Both were built on very solid platforms. A new Vue will join the line up later in the year. The Aura was good enough to win the 2007 Northern American Car of the Year award.
The Outlook is great. It shares it's platform (Lambda) with GM quartet, the GMC Arcadia, Buick Enclave, and Chevy Traverse. They are best crossovers you can buy. 5-star crash rated (IIHS Top Saftey Pick), have among the most ******** room of any crossover, and returned among the best fuel economy, (17/24mpg
highway) especially when you consider it outpowers it's rivals... The Outlook offers all those options as well. The only reason you should be interested in a full frame, is for towing. You'll loose ride quality (structural rigidity) with a full frame.
 

yearofthenick

Active Member
Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2943082
I have family that works for GM. (lots of family)
I have worked on cars (for money) since before I could legally drive.
I wouldn't buy one. Third rate, IMO.
For the money, I would go Toyota.
V-8
Full frame (outlook is unibody)
Available with leather, dvd, nav, multi disc cd player with mp3 and wma playback.
Trust me, if I could go toyota, I would.... but they're expensive, and I'd rather pay $18k on a 2008 Outlook (bigger) with a third row than $30k on a 2008 highlander (smaller) with a third row.
 

yearofthenick

Active Member

Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2943099
Instead of blind generalizations....

The Outlook is the third car in GM's attempt to rebuild Saturn. The first two where the Aura sedan and Sky roadster. Both were built on very solid platforms. A new Vue will join the line up later in the year. The Aura was good enough to win the 2007 Northern American Car of the Year award.
The Outlook is great. It shares it's platform (Lambda) with GM quartet, the GMC Arcadia, Buick Enclave, and Chevy Traverse. They are best crossovers you can buy. 5-star crash rated (IIHS Top Saftey Pick), have among the most ******** room of any crossover, and returned among the best fuel economy, (17/24mpg
highway) especially when you consider it outpowers it's rivals... The Outlook offers all those options as well. The only reason you should be interested in a full frame, is for towing. You'll loose ride quality (structural rigidity) with a full frame.
This is the kind of statistic I wanted to hear. I know they have the same body as other GM vehicles, which clearly shows they put a great deal of confidence into this design. Thanks Aquaknight.
 

aquaknight

Active Member
Any particular reason for the Outlook? The Buick Enclave and a GMC Acadia are slotted a bit higher in the line up. The Enclave has an absolutely world class ********.
 

socal57che

Active Member
"But if you're interested in an Outlook, get one while you can. GM recently announced that it will sell or close the Saturn brand. While this means that Outlooks will start to depreciate faster than they have been, it also means that major discounts on Saturn models are likely, particularly if GM can't find a buyer for the brand and simply shuts Saturn down. If that happens, Saturn warranties should be honored at other GM dealerships. If you can deal with the depreciation, a shaky market for GM means great deals for buyers who like the Outlook."
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com...aturn_Outlook/
Pros: Comfort, styling
Cons: horrible gas mileage, terrible transmission shifting, lack of power
First off, we love the comfort and styling of our Outlook, along with the fact that it fits our family of 6 very comfortably. Now the downside---the horrible gas mileage. For a 6 cyclinder, getting 9-10 miles per gallon is unacceptable. We thought, based on our research, we should be getting 16-18. We took it to the dealer, and they said all the computer diagnostics checked out. It shifts terrible, especially going up a hill when it surges in and out of gear unless you really hammer it. Again, not award winning power (almost like vehicle is too heavy for the horsepower). Dealer checked it out---and you guessed it, nothing wrong.
Would I buy another? Probably not, unless they can do something about the poor gas mileage and poor shifting. If I wanted this kind of gas mileage, I could have bought a Suburban.
http://autos.yahoo.com/2008_saturn_o...r/?reviewId=13
 

socal57che

Active Member
Trouble Spots
Consumer Guide's® Auto Editors have scoured repair bulletins and questioned mechanics to search for commonly occurring problems for a particular vehicle. In some cases we also give possible manufacturer-suggested solutions. In many instances these trouble spots are Technical Service Bulletins posted by the manufacturer, however, we have our own expert looking at additional vehicle problems.
Audio system: When using a portable music player (e.g. iPod) there may be noise in the car's speakers whenever the vehicle's power adapter is used and a ground loop isolator (from Radio Shack) is required between the device and the power outlet to prevent the noise. (2007-08)
Check-engine light: The check engine light comes on, accompanied by numerous trouble codes, due to timing chains stretching on the 3.7L V6 engine. (2007)
Electrical problem: The power locks, cruise control, shift interlock and other accessories may not work; the engine may not go over 4,000 rpm and the check engine light may come on in cool temperatures(32-50 degrees F) after cold soak due to a problem with the transmission control module. (2007)
Keyless entry: The remote keyless entry key fob may quit working and will require relearning between the RKE and the vehicle. (2007-08)
None: The DVD monitors in the front seat headrests may quit working because the video feed cable comes loose requiring installation of cable clamps. (2007-08)
Suspension noise: Popping and squawking noises from front suspension caused by strut boot interference. (2007)
Water leak: Water may drip from the dome light, especially if the vehicle is parked downhill in the rain, because the sunroof drains may not be adequate of the drain hose(s) may have separated. (2007-08)
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...-outlook-6.htm
NHTSA Recall History
2007 Outlook: Sensing and diagnostic module, which controls front airbags, may not operate properly, causing airbags to fail to deploy.
2007-08 Outlook equipped with a heated wiper washer fluid system: A short circuit on the printed circuit board for the washer fluid heater may overheat the control-circuit ground wire. This may cause other electrical features to malfunction, create an odor, or cause smoke, increasing the risk of a fire. Dealers will install a wire harness with an in-line fuse free of charge.
2007-08: Recall affects vehicles currently or previously registered in the following states: Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming, and the District of Columbia. If a buildup of snow or ice on the windshield or on the wipers restricts the movement of the wiper arm, the windshield wiper linkage may become detached from the motor shaft and the wipers may become inoperative. If this were to occur, driver visibility could be reduced, which could result in a vehicle crash. Dealers will install a new wiper crank arm, driver's side link, and a crank arm nut.
 

yearofthenick

Active Member
We just can't decide between the Highlander and the Outlook. If we were to buy either of them used, they're almost comparable in price... that being the biggest factor, knowing that we're on a level playing field forces us to consider other options.
I'm not too concerned that Saturn might be going under, that's ok with me. GM will still honor the warranty. As for Outlook's issues, the ones SoCal stated just now are not huge. If the outlook was notorious for the wheels falling off, then I'd be worried.
The outlook is slightly bigger, but the Highlander is a Toyota. If you ask me, I think the Outlook is the better looking of the two.
This is a tough decision.... maybe I should just get a camry haha
 

socal57che

Active Member
Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/2943137
This is a tough decision.... maybe I should just get a camry haha
Camry's transmission failures are what led to Honda taking the lead in reliability. Camry trans=colossal failure. Just google it.
I have wrenched cars for a couple decades and can honestly say that I see fewer Toyotas that any other make. (this comes from a hardcoore Chevy guy)
 

socal57che

Active Member
2007-08 Outlook equipped with a heated wiper washer fluid system: A short circuit on the printed circuit board for the washer fluid heater may overheat the control-circuit ground wire. This may cause other electrical features to malfunction, create an odor, or cause smoke, increasing the risk of a fire. Dealers will install a wire harness with an in-line fuse free of charge.
This got my attention. There is obviously a problem with the circuit board here. GM's fix is to add a fuse to break the circuit when it fails, not remedy the faulty circuit board. LAME!
 

reefraff

Active Member
We grabbed one of the Saturn Auras for the wife a couple years ago and it's been great so far. There was an issue with the AC shortly after we bought it but it has been fine ever since.
 

bang guy

Moderator
I've been happy with my Saturns. I got the runts of the litter and I guess I've been lucky.
I drove my SL1 for 215,000 miles without incident. I bought it used for $7500. I gave it to my stepdaughter and the transmission blew parts all over the road within a month. It got 42MPG in summer and 37MPG in winter. I'm 99% positive that her boyfriend abused the transmission regulary...
After the SL1 I wanted another one but Saturn stopped making them because people complained about them being underpowered (they were). So, I now have an Ion that currently has 90,000 miles on it. I purchased it used for $8600. The disks on the brakes kept warping until I finally stopped buying the cheap import stuff, no problem since. I had an ignition short circiut that took a couple of visits to find but it was fixed with no charge. An today I noticed that the hood won't stay closed, I think I need to WD40 the catch because it looks like it's stuck open. It gets 36MPG summer and 32MPG winter.
My next car will probably be another Saturn.
 

drdingo21

Member
Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/2943137
We just can't decide between the Highlander and the Outlook. If we were to buy either of them used, they're almost comparable in price... that being the biggest factor, knowing that we're on a level playing field forces us to consider other options.
I'm not too concerned that Saturn might be going under, that's ok with me. GM will still honor the warranty. As for Outlook's issues, the ones SoCal stated just now are not huge. If the outlook was notorious for the wheels falling off, then I'd be worried.
The outlook is slightly bigger, but the Highlander is a Toyota. If you ask me, I think the Outlook is the better looking of the two.
This is a tough decision.... maybe I should just get a camry haha
I will not buy another domestic. End of story. The highlander will hold it's vaule better and is an all around better vehical.
Let me cover a few points of issues that I'm having:
I drive an 05 SRX. Bought it brand new.
At 30k miles the reverse assit system stops working.
This next part I took it to the dealer for
at 60k miles I broke the front axel making a U turn at 3 miles an hour in a parking lot. My rear window also came off track, my cruise control stopped working, my left rear wheel bearing went bad, my rack and pinion system broke, and my stablity system would randomly engage while driving on the highway. That means that it would apply the brakes to one side of the car (left or right) and pull the vehicle that way. At highway speeds.
Took it to the dealer, who kept it for 7 days (keep in mind they don't provide loaners). I picked it up because they said everything was fixed and the instant I drove it off the lot the stablity system engaged for no reason, my cruise still didn't work and my reverse system still didn't work (they actually told me that everything was fine and that they test drove it).... They took the car for another 8 days - I got it back and the only thing they fixed was the cruise control.
Now its december 15th (just the last one). The woman and I go to the mall, and my car gets broken into. No biggie. I already had to scheduled to go in for a clicking that just started.
I go to a differnt cadalic dealer and drop it off. They quote me $650 to replace the window (safelight was quoting 180). I tell them no thanks and just investagte the clicking. 10 days goes by and he calls me back and says they can't reproduce the noise. I drive down there and wait 45 minutes for someone to ride with me. We don't even leave the garage and tech makes the car click. THEY NEVER EVEN TRIED!
Come to find out, the front transfer case is bad, the right control arm is cracked, and they went ahead and replaced my window even though I told them now to. They best part is - they still have my car. 57 days now. AND they want me to pay for 50 days for rental at $30 a day when the tech isn't even working on my car.
I called and filed a complaint with Cadillac and they told me to go to another dealer.
I had an 03 accord ex v6 with navi that i put 120k miles on and never did anything other than oil changes. I also had an is300 that I put 100k miles on with nothing but oil changes.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by drdingo21
http:///forum/post/2943501
I will not buy another domestic. End of story. The highlander will hold it's vaule better and is an all around better vehical.
Let me cover a few points of issues that I'm having:
I drive an 05 SRX. Bought it brand new.
At 30k miles the reverse assit system stops working.
This next part I took it to the dealer for
at 60k miles I broke the front axel making a U turn at 3 miles an hour in a parking lot. My rear window also came off track, my cruise control stopped working, my left rear wheel bearing went bad, my rack and pinion system broke, and my stablity system would randomly engage while driving on the highway. That means that it would apply the brakes to one side of the car (left or right) and pull the vehicle that way. At highway speeds.
Took it to the dealer, who kept it for 7 days (keep in mind they don't provide loaners). I picked it up because they said everything was fixed and the instant I drove it off the lot the stablity system engaged for no reason, my cruise still didn't work and my reverse system still didn't work (they actually told me that everything was fine and that they test drove it).... They took the car for another 8 days - I got it back and the only thing they fixed was the cruise control.
Now its december 15th (just the last one). The woman and I go to the mall, and my car gets broken into. No biggie. I already had to scheduled to go in for a clicking that just started.
I go to a differnt cadalic dealer and drop it off. They quote me $650 to replace the window (safelight was quoting 180). I tell them no thanks and just investagte the clicking. 10 days goes by and he calls me back and says they can't reproduce the noise. I drive down there and wait 45 minutes for someone to ride with me. We don't even leave the garage and tech makes the car click. THEY NEVER EVEN TRIED!
Come to find out, the front transfer case is bad, the right control arm is cracked, and they went ahead and replaced my window even though I told them now to. They best part is - they still have my car. 57 days now. AND they want me to pay for 50 days for rental at $30 a day when the tech isn't even working on my car.
I called and filed a complaint with Cadillac and they told me to go to another dealer.
I had an 03 accord ex v6 with navi that i put 120k miles on and never did anything other than oil changes. I also had an is300 that I put 100k miles on with nothing but oil changes.
and people wonder why domestic auto makers are up a creek...
I know my mazda transmission went out at 80k because of a challenger o ring type error. a little jesus clip broke. If you get complete failure of your tranny at 80k, you'd better be fixing it.
Heck I raced my honda and got 200k out of the tranny.
 

drdingo21

Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2943508
and people wonder why domestic auto makers are up a creek...
I know my mazda transmission went out at 80k because of a challenger o ring type error. a little jesus clip broke. If you get complete failure of your tranny at 80k, you'd better be fixing it.
Heck I raced my honda and got 200k out of the tranny.
This is exactly why. The quality and customer service isn't there.
My fiance wanted a CTS and I'm up for a new car. I can guarantee you either one of us aren't getting a domestic. Shes looking at Acura and I'm leaning towards infinity.
 
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