science fair project

I don't think you should do it. If you use live fish it would be way to stressful on them. I would be a waste. The fish may get a disease and die.
Adam
 
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sinner's girl

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how about on cycling a tank? (using dead shrimp and not fish of course). you could test the water, keep a log of how the nitrates, nitrites and amonia change, write up how the decomposed body of the shrimp will eventual turn into good stuff for the tank.
you could have one tank using lf or ls and compare the different ways to cycle the tank, the amount of time for each...
your objective could be to educate people that there are different ways to cycle a tank besides using live fish. to show what should be done before adding fish. to show the importance of cycling a tank - fish added to uncycled tanks will be stressed or may even die.
depending on time and what you have you could set up 3 ten gl (or whatever size) and see if dead shrimp, lr or ls cycle faster. or set up different size tanks and see how the time to cycle compares. (using the same number of shrimp (or pounds of lr/ls) per gl)
hth, if i come up with something else i'll post back. (hey isn't it still summer?)
do you currently have a tank set up? if so what's in it?
 

wamp

Active Member
People and their crazy Ideas of cycling a tank with shrimp :rolleyes:
How about one with a shrimp and one with a fish. Watch the diffrence between the cycles and times for all spikes and the effects. That would be a cool expirement. I might try that one myself :)
 

jonthefb

Active Member
i used my species specific seahorse tank for a project in my ecology class. I "borrowed" a live wild seahorse specimen from my lfs, and added him to my seahorse tank when i only had one captive bred female horse, and recorded their interactions, moods, feeding habits, etc, to see the difference between the two. Needless to say, it was very interesting and after the captive bred seahorse "taught" the wild specimen to accept frozen mysis shrimp, i had to permanently borrow him. But he is a cool addition to the tank, and the two have pari-bonded ever since.!
You could also do a 'microvert catalog' and take random samples from a live sand bed, keeping track of area, includign depth, and identify and categorize the types of life that occur in each, trying to find out if bristle worms are more likely to colonize sand located near lr, rather than in the open, and etc.
If you have a microscope, you could also try to identify various types of algae in the marine aquarium, from macro such as caulerpa, to micro such as cyano, oscillatoria, other smeat algaes, and also coralline, sargassum, which is a brown macro, etc.
ill try to think of some more and let you know
 
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marcandkelly

Guest
How about predator/prey relationships. You can have one take partitioned with a predatory fish on one side and a prey fish on the other and observer behavoir. In two other tanks, the control tanks, you can keep a second specimens of the predator and prey keeping them out of site of each other. Note the different behaviors of the prey and predators.
Or another idea along the same line, get some schooling fish. Isolate one fish in its own tank and allow the rest to school. Note the different behaviors.
 

dsa_mom

Member
great ideas, guys, but in my kid's school district (if we're talking up through high school and not college) no science fair stuff can use live animals. Too many psychopaths out there (yes, I mean the KIDS) (j/k) Personally, I like the cycling tank choice.
 

sgt__york

Member
Use shrimp instead of fish???
You bunch of PANSIES!!! lol
Anyone heard of the devil underwater? The fish that wreaks fear and trembling at the mere mention of its name? The king of the ocean. The cockroach of the underworld. NO, not the shark...
THE DAMSEL!!! *cues psyco music theme*
I say.. do a science fair on the extremes that damsels can take. X-GAMES for the damsel.
Try one in fresh water, one in the toilet and one in no water - and see which one actually breeds first. What die?? You gotta be kidding - Damsels don't die.
Their purpose on this earth is to cycle tanks and then play "catch me if you can" in Live rock.
DOH!!!! :mad:
LOL :p
DISCLAIMER: B/F ppl get the wrong idea on my damsel obsession (lol) - I actually like damsels.. LOL Had a damsel tank for 3-4months when i first started. I cycle with damsels INSTEAD of shrimp because i ENJOY having them for awhile. Great color, hearty but mean little bastuds. I just love to give em a hard time :) Plan on keeping a damsel in my algae refugium when i get it up and running. :)
 

sgt__york

Member
PS: As a science fair (using no live animals) How about tracking the affects of an algae refugium on a stable, unchanged tank. Track/graph nitrtate levels as they rise in a NON DSB, Fish Only tank over time. Then introduce a macro algae refugium and again track the nitrate levels as they fall over a given time. Document the algae contents and it's growth over that same time period. Then when the science fair is over - you can share your results here - and even submit it for your PH-D in college as well :) lol
Best of luck to you :)
 

striker

Member
As a project I'd try 3 tanks. One with a dsb, a regular sb and crushed coral and study the short and longterm advantages and water conditions of each.
 

galina

Member
Wow, Sammy, that's an awesom idea !
Me being in highschool, I'm gonna definetly consider using one of all those great ideas.
You guys are so much smarter then me.. too bad I didn't read this last year, for the science fair.. I'll definetly take it into mind now. :)
 
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