seachem metronidazole
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lion_crazz
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I have used it and it has worked very well if used for its intended purpose. It is not a treatment for ich. It is made to treat internal parasites and help with the healing of HLLE.
sepulatian
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I will say once again, there are only TWO methods to kill ich; copper and hyposalinity. Many fish are sensitive to copper and neither can be done in the presence of inverts.
lion_crazz
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Originally Posted by helpme74
it says ichthyophthirius on the bottle
Then, it is just another product to add to the very long list of "advertised incorrectly".
it says ichthyophthirius on the bottle
Then, it is just another product to add to the very long list of "advertised incorrectly".
al mc
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I can assure you that the drug Metronidazole does not cure it. Its main purpose in medicine is that it has antibiotic, internal antiparasitic, and
antispamotic properties. It is a good adjunct therapy for many things and should be safe if used as directed. It probably helps treating ICH only by reducing any secondary bacterial infections of the flesh/gills. But it will not eliminate ICH..Trust me...
antispamotic properties. It is a good adjunct therapy for many things and should be safe if used as directed. It probably helps treating ICH only by reducing any secondary bacterial infections of the flesh/gills. But it will not eliminate ICH..Trust me...
geridoc
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Originally Posted by helpme74
it says ichthyophthirius on the bottle
That may be, but ichthyophthirius is not the causative parasite in marine ich, only freshwater. Look for something that cures Cryptocaryon irritans infection - but you won't find it outside of a copper bottle or hyposalinity treatment.
it says ichthyophthirius on the bottle
That may be, but ichthyophthirius is not the causative parasite in marine ich, only freshwater. Look for something that cures Cryptocaryon irritans infection - but you won't find it outside of a copper bottle or hyposalinity treatment.
sepulatian
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Originally Posted by GeriDoc
That may be, but ichthyophthirius is not the causative parasite in marine ich, only freshwater. Look for something that cures Cryptocaryon irritans infection - but you won't find it outside of a copper bottle or hyposalinity treatment.
I totaly agree. There are only two treatments for ich; hyposalinity and copper. You are well aware of this.
That may be, but ichthyophthirius is not the causative parasite in marine ich, only freshwater. Look for something that cures Cryptocaryon irritans infection - but you won't find it outside of a copper bottle or hyposalinity treatment.
I totaly agree. There are only two treatments for ich; hyposalinity and copper. You are well aware of this.
Originally Posted by GeriDoc
That may be, but ichthyophthirius is not the causative parasite in marine ich, only freshwater. Look for something that cures Cryptocaryon irritans infection - but you won't find it outside of a copper bottle or hyposalinity treatment.
Good catch on that one, Geri.
I doubt that it works for FW either, BTW.
That may be, but ichthyophthirius is not the causative parasite in marine ich, only freshwater. Look for something that cures Cryptocaryon irritans infection - but you won't find it outside of a copper bottle or hyposalinity treatment.
Good catch on that one, Geri.
I doubt that it works for FW either, BTW.
gmax111
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found this thread because i have been testing this medication under the microscope.. dissolving it in aged water(salinity @ 35ppm) and adding it to a petri dish containing cryptocaryon in its free swimming stage and it does work...
As far as i know only if the ich(cryptocaryon) bacteria is in its free swimming stage.. I dont know exactly how well it works when the bacteria is in any of its other stages.
That is the truth behind medications is that most are only useful when the bacteria is in its free swimming stage but does not kill the rest of the ich that maybe in other stages laying on the bottom of your aquarium. Long term treatment with a medication is the only way to accurately say it does not work...
The reason i believe hyposalinity and high temp. works so well is because the ich bacteria remove themselves from the host (converting to free swimming bacteria) to find higher salinity or lower temperature waters and end up dieing because they can not survive in either of these conditions... It makes all the ich look for better conditions not just the ones that are at the free swimming point of its life..
Originally Posted by GeriDoc
That may be, but ichthyophthirius is not the causative parasite in marine ich, only freshwater. Look for something that cures Cryptocaryon irritans infection - but you won't find it outside of a copper bottle or hyposalinity treatment.
Actually it does say it right on the side of the bottle which is the reason behind me testing it...
Either way if you meet the requirements to do hyposalinity then do it.. Its the "foolproof" way to riding ich... good luck
As far as i know only if the ich(cryptocaryon) bacteria is in its free swimming stage.. I dont know exactly how well it works when the bacteria is in any of its other stages.
That is the truth behind medications is that most are only useful when the bacteria is in its free swimming stage but does not kill the rest of the ich that maybe in other stages laying on the bottom of your aquarium. Long term treatment with a medication is the only way to accurately say it does not work...
The reason i believe hyposalinity and high temp. works so well is because the ich bacteria remove themselves from the host (converting to free swimming bacteria) to find higher salinity or lower temperature waters and end up dieing because they can not survive in either of these conditions... It makes all the ich look for better conditions not just the ones that are at the free swimming point of its life..
Originally Posted by GeriDoc
That may be, but ichthyophthirius is not the causative parasite in marine ich, only freshwater. Look for something that cures Cryptocaryon irritans infection - but you won't find it outside of a copper bottle or hyposalinity treatment.
Actually it does say it right on the side of the bottle which is the reason behind me testing it...
Either way if you meet the requirements to do hyposalinity then do it.. Its the "foolproof" way to riding ich... good luck
geridoc
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The reason i believe hyposalinity and high temp. works so well is because the ich bacteria remove themselves from the host (converting to free swimming bacteria) to find higher salinity or lower temperature waters and end up dieing because they can not survive in either of these conditions... It makes all the ich look for better conditions not just the ones that are at the free swimming point of its life..
Cryptocaryon is not a bacterium - it is a protozoan parasite. It drops off because its lifecycle must include a stage attached to a vertebrate and a free-swimming stage. It is most susceptible while free-swimming, but a freshwater dip will rupture some of the organisms that are on a fish. There is considerable controversy about metronidazole and ich, but the consensus seems to be that it is either ineffective or only slightly effective against cryptocaryon infection, although it is very potent against internal parasites.
Cryptocaryon is not a bacterium - it is a protozoan parasite. It drops off because its lifecycle must include a stage attached to a vertebrate and a free-swimming stage. It is most susceptible while free-swimming, but a freshwater dip will rupture some of the organisms that are on a fish. There is considerable controversy about metronidazole and ich, but the consensus seems to be that it is either ineffective or only slightly effective against cryptocaryon infection, although it is very potent against internal parasites.
al mc
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As GeriDoc noted the Metronidazole is very good with internal (intestinal) Protozoa. Giardia is probably what it is most commonly used for in human and veterinary medicine. It is also thought to have some antispasmotic (think cramps and diarrhea) and antibiotic properties and is thus used in a host of causes of collitus in humans and other animals. If it does help with ICH, IMHO, it does so by being a good adjunct therapy, but it should not be able to break the life cycle of ICH on its own. Thus, it should not be able to eliminate it..just possibly help the fish survive an outbreak of it....
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cranberry
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Originally Posted by gmax111
http:///forum/post/2111159
found this thread because i have been testing this medication under the microscope.. dissolving it in aged water(salinity @ 35ppm) and adding it to a petri dish containing cryptocaryon in its free swimming stage and it does work...
When you dissolve it, do you do so at the ratio as it would be dosed in the tank? Or is this a much stronger concentration?
http:///forum/post/2111159
found this thread because i have been testing this medication under the microscope.. dissolving it in aged water(salinity @ 35ppm) and adding it to a petri dish containing cryptocaryon in its free swimming stage and it does work...
When you dissolve it, do you do so at the ratio as it would be dosed in the tank? Or is this a much stronger concentration?
Originally Posted by gmax111
http:///forum/post/2111159
i have been testing this medication under the microscope.. dissolving it in aged water(salinity @ 35ppm) and adding it to a petri dish containing cryptocaryon in its free swimming stage and it does work...
Are you so familiar with this parasite that you are able to recognize it in the free swimming stage? I don't think so, since what is being talked about is a parasite
(not bacteria).
http:///forum/post/2111159
i have been testing this medication under the microscope.. dissolving it in aged water(salinity @ 35ppm) and adding it to a petri dish containing cryptocaryon in its free swimming stage and it does work...
Are you so familiar with this parasite that you are able to recognize it in the free swimming stage? I don't think so, since what is being talked about is a parasite