Sen. Obama's "collective" speech

reefraff

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Don't confuse Liberal with left wing. Two different animals. Joe Liberman is a liberal. Bill Clinton is a liberal. You can see how the "progressives" treat them. The left has been trying to redefine the political center for several years. The idea John McCain is called a conservative is a joke. W isn't all that conservative either.
I heard a snippet of that speech from Obamachev and just laughed. Where are all those people who scoffed at the suggestion Obama is a Marxist?
 

el guapo

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Do you think he actually pre-reads any of the crap he spills out ? I realize he is a busy guy and all but read think a minute re-read think and reread again . Its not that hard is it ? It would help him to understand what hes saying , how it could be taken and heck it would even help his delivery of it all .
Its like watching a bad spanish soap opera . I bet half the time he has no idea what he is even talking about . I know I can't figure it out .
 

salty blues

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2624134
Don't confuse Liberal with left wing. Two different animals. Joe Liberman is a liberal. Bill Clinton is a liberal. You can see how the "progressives" treat them. The left has been trying to redefine the political center for several years. The idea John McCain is called a conservative is a joke. W isn't all that conservative either.
I heard a snippet of that speech from Obamachev and just laughed. Where are all those people who scoffed at the suggestion Obama is a Marxist?
I understand what you are saying. The Democratic party has steadily been splitting into two factions, the liberal and ultra liberal(or left wing).
In fact the Republican party is doing much the same, with John McCain being on the not so conservative side of the party.
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2623977
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lkaRcGsW4E
Right out of Marx's work. You are not doing you job unless you give you blood and treasure to the collective. Your work is not yours, it is to be given to the collective.Sen. Obama even used the term "collective". Are we really that close to becoming a socialist state?
That's what his pals the Weatherbombers want. TO understand NObama...you have to look at just how long he has been involved with such haters. It has been reported he first met them in 95 when he launched his State Senate Campaign...he went to their house to receive their "blessing". It appears it goes back beyond 95.
When did Barack Obama meet Bill Ayers?
This remains an unanswered question. Yet it is crucial to the unanswered question about the influence today of the authoritarian "leftists" Bill Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn on the Obama campaign. Today's New York Times says that, according to unnamed "aides" to Obama, Obama first met Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn at the Hyde Park home of the couple. This meeting occurred apparently in November, 1995 according to an anonymous blogger who claims to have been there, as Obama was launching his campaign for the state senate of Illinois.
If the Ayers/Dohrn-Obama meet and greet took place in November, 1995, it cannot have been the first time that Obama met Ayers. By that time Obama was already Chairman of the Board of the $50 million Chicago Annenberg Challenge Grant program that was designed by Ayers. Ayers began the grant proposal design process in December 1993 and the grant was formally announced in January, 1995. Barack Obama was identified as the Chair in press reports in June of 1995.
So, unless Ayers picked a board chair he had never met and would never meet until the "meet and greet," Obama, in fact, met Ayers well before the launching of his state senate campaign. Of course, it is very likely that there would have had to have been a very close working relationship between Ayers, as the lead architect of the Annenberg proposal, and the first board chairman. They would have had to have agreed on basic educational policy issues. And Obama would have been crucial in leading fund raising efforts since the $50 million grant was conditioned on a 2-1 match from other donors.
As I have written here before, my hypothesis is that Ayers and Obama had an older relationship and one that had a deeper political affinity than has been made clear. The attempts by so many around Obama to portray this as an arms length relationship simply do not fit the facts that are available. For example, the Annenberg Challenge grant money was aimed at solidifying the school reforms put in place in Chicago in 1988 when a campaign for "local control" emerged. Both Obama and Ayers were active in that campaign. At a minimum support for "local control" would have been a pre-requisite to allowing Obama to chair, at such a young and untested age, the Annenberg Challenge.
 
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